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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Tuesday, July 31, 2007

Deadline nears

Word is Braves are pushing for Bronson Arroyo. Jo-Jo Reyes is one of the players being offered. That would be hard to sell to the fans. IK'm hopping the Metro to RFK.


at 1:43 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would be a huge mistake - statistically and PR-wise. Bronson has pitched very well this year, despite his record. He provides durability and stability every 5th day, usually providing a quality start, and occasionally is dominate. He is a solid #2 starter and we should be looking for bullpen help. We will not get it from Louisville and that is why Bronson's stats are not better this year.

at 1:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reyes has a terrible stats line. This would be publicity suicide, not to mention a bad all-around trade.

at 1:57 PM Anonymous jc said...

if the reds trade bronson arroyo... probably the most popular red...for jo jo reyes.... krivsky wont last six months. in all the things i have heard.... that is the most disgusting.

at 1:58 PM Blogger Mr. PG said...

are you seREYES?!?!

at 2:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be very wary of dealing with the Braves for pitching prospects. Have they ever given up on a pitcher and regretted it?

at 2:20 PM Anonymous Justin Fernandez said...

Arroy for Jo Jo Reyes? I can see how that 8.20 ERA of Jo Jo's has Krivsky all excited, thinking: Stanton in a Majewski package maybe?!

As critical as I've been about Bronson being a Mediocre 4.00+ ERA pitcher (and perhaps wrong about that), Reyes seems like a big gamble.

Then again, Zito has been making Jo Jo look like Jack Peavy recently...so who really knows?

I hope Krivsky is lucky. One misstep, however justifiable, and the Reds take a giant step backwards.

If Way-Way adds Jo-Jo for Arroyo we'll have to wait a year or two before screaming too loudly (either way) I suppose...still, why not package Arroyo and Dunn for the Angels and get Kotchman, Willits, Gwyn, and Bootcheck or some other Angel pitching prospect who hasn't gotten off to an as-rocky a start as Jo-Jo?

We could use Willits leadoff, Kotchman at first for the next 20 years, and hopefully Gwyn blossums into a better-than Arroyo pitcher...as for Bootcheck or other Angels pitchers, I'm sure Wayne knows what he likes and wants out there.

Fingers crossed for luck to come Krivsky's way today

at 2:24 PM Blogger Adam said...

Thanks for the insight, John. Any word regarding Dunn yet? Who is looking at him? What are they offering? It seems the Reds would take almost anything to get rid of him.

at 2:24 PM Blogger notredamefan8420 said...

Honestly, as great as Bronson was last year, I wouldn't mind seeing him go. The Reds have plenty of potential starters that could fill the hole, and with Arroyo still here, they won't have the chance. If the Reds can get Reyes and a prospect or two, the deal would be worth it. And with Bailey on the 7-day DL and EZ Ramirez just called up to fill Lohse's roster spot, it looks like we would finally get to see Phil Dumatrait pitch up here. I'm all for the shake-up. Go Krivsky.

at 2:28 PM Blogger John Fay said...

You are exactly right.

at 2:33 PM Blogger Josh said...


at 2:38 PM Blogger Jeff said...

Why not trade Arroyo? Besides last year, Arroyo has never been better than mediocre, and will never be more than a number 3 starter. I know we don't know much about Reyes, except that he absolutely dominated the minors, but he looks like a guy that could be a #1 or #2 guy. Go for it Kriv. The only way the Reds are going to win a WS is to get lucky with a couple trades.

at 2:48 PM Blogger amazinglyrefreshing said...

Arroyo was one of those trades we got lucky on. Unless they really feel strongly about Reyes's potential, it's hard to move someone like Arroyo...he'll give us such great depth in the rotation over the next few years. I just think it would be a mistake.

at 2:51 PM Blogger John Fay said...

My take: If the Braves want Arroyo, that's reason to keep him.

at 2:56 PM Blogger Reds Fan in Illinois said...

John, you have a good point with "if the Braves want him, keep him" but Reyes is only 22, and had about 1K/IP in the minors the last two years. If they can get a B-level prospect, too (esp a catcher), I'd say do it.

at 2:56 PM Blogger kingseyeland said...

I totally agree with Fay's take on this. The Braves didn't want Belisle and now we know why. Now they want Arroyo? I wouldn't make any deal with the Braves that involved pitching, ever.

at 3:00 PM Anonymous DanL said...

While a agree trading Bronson will create a PR mess, you might have to do it to take a chance on what could be a #1 or #2. Arroyo will never be that and being a small market with limited payroll you have to take some chances.

As for his stats thus far remember that Arroyo was WAIVED by the Pirates at one time.

I do hope they get another prospect with Reyes.

at 3:00 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was rumored last week that you could have gotten Saltamacchia for Arroyo. I would have been more inclined to do that than Reyes.

If the braves are trading pitching there is probably a reason for it

at 3:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

you are all crazy! The Reds are out of it, Arroyo is on the wrong side of 30. Jo Jo Reyes is one of the top Braves pitching prospects - there is nothing to lose here.....idiots

at 3:05 PM Anonymous Marktheshark said...

and thx for Kyle Lohse, he stinks!!!! Love, The Phils

at 3:06 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

I'm not real big on the legitimacy or the mindset that on-field baseball decisions have to be made to make fans happy.

Think about it: In the great history of the game, what player transaction has ever made fans revolt to the point of ruining a franchise? If Ruth going to the Braves didn't do it, nothing will.

Yes, fans are important. They are the customers. And sports franchises are public trusts. But the ownership of a team--like the private ownership of a company--cannot do business holding hands with the customer on every personnel decision. You'd never get anything done. You'd never have a consensus. You'd always have someone bitching.

So, like most companies that don't give employees a wide say-so, sports teams limit the precedent they set on these public-private matters. Obviously, a Brett/Ripken/Gwynn/Jeter kind of franchise player holds differen, special clout.

But Arroyo? Griffey? Dunn?


If you are true fans and love your teams, you'll go back to the park and root them on, through thick and thin. If you get that upset over the Lopezes and Kearnses, you're not likely a regularly paying customer anyhow, so who cares about "selling it to the fans," a refrain used way too often in Fay's space lately.

at 3:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you're upset about the Kearns and Lopez trade, then you need a calculator and a math teacher. They stink.

at 12:10 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Reds have plenty of potential starters that could fill the hole"


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