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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Monday, July 16, 2007

Reds 10, Braves 3

Ken Griffey Jr. hits historic home runs all the time, as he did Monday night, passing Frank Robinson for sixth all-time with No. 587. His homer, by the way, was only one of the Reds' 16 hits for extra bases.

But Griffey is playing as well overall as he has for the Reds -- ever. He made a terrific running catch in the ninth. He went the other way against the shift in the first ininng to get the first run of the night in. He broke up a couple of double plays with hard slides recently.

He looks like a rejuvenated player at 37. His numbers -- .286, 24 homers, 63 RBI, .393 on-base, .565 slugging, 56 walks, 55 strikeouts -- make him look awful good on the trade market.

I wouldn't trade him, however.

Would you?

Sounds like Pete Mackanin is Griffey's corner.

“He's not worried about setting that record,” Mackanin said. “He's playing nice and relaxed. He keeps the guys loose. He goes about his business professionally. I got nothing but accolades for him.”

How about Bobby Livingston? He gives up a lot of hits -- 25 in 17 innings -- but his ERA is 3.18 after three starts. He deserves another couple of starts.


at 1:00 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...


I agree that I wouldn't trade Griffey either. In watching the game in Atlanta tonight, I noticed that the Braves they have a young catcher that they are stuggling to get playing time. I'll probably butcher the spelling of his name here -- but do you think the Braves would be willing to part with Saltalamacchi in exchange for Kyle Loshe? Or would the Reds need to include Dunn to get him as well? And would that be worth it in your opinion?


at 1:38 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd trade Griffey. His value is high, you can use the money you save in the offseason, he could be hurt at any time, and hes already 37 or 38. Get what you can while you can, so we don't get nothing for him down the road.

It wont happen though. He's here to stay.

at 4:47 AM Blogger Ron said...

Hey John

I agree ... the one thing baseball lacks anymore is loyalty. Players loyal to thier team and teams loyal to thier players. Jr is liked to the Reds since he was kid and my preference is that he should retire a Red. It reminds me of the day we resigned Larkin to that 3 year extention ... yes we paid him more than his production deserved ... but we paid him less than market value for most of his career ... so in a way it was payback. Keep Jr ... he is the only player keeping me intersted in the team right now.

at 7:15 AM Anonymous Andy said...

I agree that we shouldn't trade Griffey. It's finally fun to watch him play every day after years of frustration. Here's one situation where I'd be willing to take nothing down the road in exchange for a spectacle today.

at 7:49 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

It aint gonna happen..but if it was my team Griffey would be traded.

Change the chemistry of this team, get a new manager and Adam Dunn has far more upside at 27 years of age than Ken Griffey at 38

Regardless, I dont really care and cant understand why everyone is discussing every potential nuance of any potential trade. The Reds will mess it up

Ken Griffey has been with us what.. 8 years and what has this team done? Ken Griffey and Dunn are having good power years.. and our record is what?

Put a good team like LAA on the field, you will forget about those meaningless home runs that mean nothing and average attendance will increase by 10k

at 8:13 AM Anonymous Justin Fernandez said...

The problem with trading Griffey is that even a great closer or starting Ace in return doesn't guarantee that the Reds will be able to win even the wildcard within the next 4-5 seasons.

The Reds are way behind the Mets, Phillies, Rockies, Cardinals, Brewers, Dodgers, and Padres (and Braves and Diamondbacks); each have better farm systems, scouts, young assembled talent, and talent pipelines (and GMs) than do the Reds.

Trading Junior is a baby-step in the right direction at best. If an American League team would give big value for Junior, the Reds, whose management should be in near-desperation mode, will probably pull the trigger anyway.

It's doubtful that there's any short-term fix for the Reds, so ownership ought to aim for highest non-playoff value possible, which means keeping Junior here for the rest of his career and focusing ONLY on improving the farm teams, Latin American and Asian scouting, and signing useful free agents.

Trading Junior is probably a lose-lose proposition for the Reds; no Junior of course, and no playoffs/championships too.

at 9:23 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't trade Junior. He is the only guy with experience and talent the Reds will need as the young guys come up.

Sign BP to a multi-year deal. This is the future clubhouse leader the Reds have needed since Larkin retired.

As the Reds build for next year, they can't be afraid to go after the big name reliever when up against the Yankees and the like. This is the time they can out deal teams because of Dunn, Lohse, and the duel headed firstbaseman HatteConine. By getting a big name guy now, and if they could sign name for a few years, why not?

For fun, we should all post what we would like next years 25 roster to be.


at 9:43 AM Blogger Mark T said...

Keep your eye on the prize - Junior puts bodies in the seats. #600 will be a great marketing opportunity. And I doubt there is anything on the trade market to replace his numbers. At current prices, he's a bargain.

The only thing that might move them - if he were to demand a trade to finish out his career with a contender. I hope that doesn't happen, but woudl not blame him.

at 10:32 AM Blogger charlied009 said...

Hey Ron congrats on a great point... I don’t know if people remember Griffey taking far less than market value to come here, just as Larkin did most of his career. The fact that Griffey wanted to come here and sacrificed a lot of money to do show should be rewarded by our city and not make everyone want to trade him now that we can get a young prospect or two. I hope Griffey stays a Red for the rest of his career and I am thankful that I have got to see him play in a Reds jersey and hopefully that continues.

at 10:33 AM Blogger charlied009 said...

Hey Ron congrats on a great point... I don’t know if people remember Griffey taking far less than market value to come here, just as Larkin did most of his career. The fact that Griffey wanted to come here and sacrificed a lot of money to do show should be rewarded by our city and not make everyone want to trade him now that we can get a young prospect or two. I hope Griffey stays a Red for the rest of his career and I am thankful that I have got to see him play in a Reds jersey and hopefully that continues.

at 11:05 AM Anonymous marc said...

I have a friend who works for the ESPN radio station in Cleveland. He called me last night and said that the Tribe is interested in Jr. and that the that was the hot topic on the radio last night seeing how the Indians fans would react to having him on the team. Have you heard this rumor and if so who would the Reds get back? I agree with you that the Reds shouldn't trade him now.

at 11:21 AM Blogger Bengal43 said...

I went to the game Monday night and should be there today and tomorrow. I asked my Braves fan buddy about trading Dunn for Saltalamacchi and a AA pitcher. He says no. The Braves could probably use Stanton.

at 1:02 PM Blogger docproc said...

Sorry, I'd trade him. He has indeed had a great season and has played harder/better than I've seen since he's been in Cincinnati--but that's exactly what makes him marketable right now. He's not the future of this team, and I'd actually like to see him in the playoffs for a contending team (oh, and I'd like his salary for luring free agents, too).

If I thought he were a good mentor and clubhouse presence for the younger players, I might feel differently....but....

at 1:25 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think they have to keep Griffey. Why else would anybody pay to see this team? Besides, the goal is to win in 2008, and there's no reason he can't help with that.


at 1:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep Griffey ..... he is a bargain and I want him in the lineup next year. As far as Livingston, I've liked him since the spring - I thought he outpitched Belisle. I'd like to see what he can do with 4 or 5 starts, see if hitters adjust. I like his mental makeup though.

at 2:03 PM Blogger Dan H said...

I agree keep Livingston in the rotation for at least a 3-4 more starts and keep Griffey. This is his best and healthy season since 2000 maybe even better. His overall play has been second to none. Saw the take out slide in the D Backs series and little things like that can rub off on the younger guys. Everyone should enjoy watching Jr while they can since not too many players come thru a city the caliber of Griffey Jr.

at 3:35 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd trade him - he deserves better than last place in the worst division in baseball. Get as much as you can for him but do him the courtesy of a trade

at 3:42 PM Blogger John Fay said...

On the point of market value, I saw in the Kendall trade story that he makes $13 million this year. Junior makes $12.5 million.

at 5:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...


for those of us that actually go to 30-40 games a year I can tell ya we are tired of leaving the ballpark after watching the reds play...regardless of all the meaningless homers Griffey hits.

Put an exciting team like the LAA or Indians etc..on the field your average attendance will increase significantly

Glad griffey took less to come here for less than market value. Considering hes missed half of the games here , it all equals out doesnt it. Maybe hes been overpaid

at 5:26 PM Anonymous PokerDude said...

Hey ...you want a piece of me...

I'll be at Belterra this weekend. Bring wad a cash...I don't play anything less than $10/20.

at 6:16 PM Anonymous tony said...

Keep Griffey!

By the end of the season he'll be 5th on the list, he'll pass Sosa, it'll be awesome.

And I'm not anonymous, I'm Tony and I live in Newport!

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