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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Thursday, April 19, 2007

Some answers after another ugly night

Here's what we found out in the wake the Reds' 8-6 loss to Houston, aka, Bullpen Meltdown II:

--Bronson Arroyo asked to come out of the game. "I was more tired than usual," he said. Arroyo didn't have a good change-up or breaking ball so he threw a lot of fastballs. He said he would stayed in if it was 4-2. But he thought the bullpen could get six outs with a five-run lead.

--Juan Castro pinch-hit in the ninth because Ken Griffey Jr. was sent home because of the flu. Jeff Conine is still hurt apparently. And Jerry Narron was saving Javy Valentin until the Reds got a someone on, which they never did.

--Kirk Saarloos took a lot of the blame for the meltdown. "I walked the first guy on the four pitches. That changed the whole complexion of the game.

Stat of the night: The bullpen came into the homestand with 1.77 ERA. The ERA on the homestand is 11.36.


at 11:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are those games that people will forget about late in the season, but when the Reds come up short, as they did last year, these two blown games will come back to haunt them. Some heads better start rolling in that bullpen and quick. I know Weathers has 5 saves, but he struggles almost every time out, and don't get me started on Cormier and Coffey. You cannot blow these high quality starts and expect to compete in October. - MB

at 1:50 AM Anonymous Sauce said...

I hate to sound like a downer, but these type of losses are what take the wind out of our sails every year. We are on top of the division, then the bullpen and defense breaks down...Tailspin ensues. It may be a bit early to say that, but it is a trend I fear every year.


On the bright side: When was the last time the Reds had a rookie of the year? Boy does he look good.

at 7:27 AM Anonymous And it's Started. said...

Is anyone really surprised by the bullpen meltdown? Prior to the season it was mediocre at best and they went through a lucky period over the last few weeks.
You know you have trouble when people were talking about how "surprised" they were to how well the bullpen was performing.
Is someone going to track how many games this season the bullpen loses for this team?

at 7:37 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I drove up from Louisville to watch the game last night... sure wish I had left at the end of 7. The bullpen doesn't exactly excite me about making the trip to see another game. I think I'll stick to watching the Bats.

at 7:39 AM Anonymous And it starts......... said...

Is anyone really surprised by the bullpen meltdown? They were mediocre at best before the season who luckily made it through the last few weeks. You know you're in trouble when people are talking about how "Surprised" they were by how well the bullpen's performance was..Someone should track how many games they lose for this team....

at 8:30 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Bank President,

Why was the error charged to Phillips when Ross was the one who was more at fault? If he cleanly fields it, then Scott doesn't go to third. And more importantly, why can't Ross ever catch a throw from an outfielder?

Additionally, if the Reds want fans to show up, they're going to have to put a better product on the field--three terrible games by the Reds bullpen in four games doesn't make me want to come down to the stadium.

at 8:44 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a disappointing series with the Astros! The Reds were in a position to be 10-6 and in first place after the series and end up 1 1/2 games out at an unimpressive 8-8.

Good starts for a team like this is sooooooooooo important, start fast and finish strong wins Championships!!!!! Hope we aren’t on a slippery slope down at this point!


at 10:00 AM Blogger Brad said...

We should trade Felipe Lopez and Austin Kearns for some bullpen help. Oh wait.....

at 10:50 AM Anonymous Sick to my stomach said...

I can't even start to tell you how much I agree with MB. David Weathers is a joke. He has always been a joke, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt he's going to start to get better in his late 30's. Someone please explain to me what closer by committee means. I thought the carnival that is the closer, left when Danny Graves was "fired". When games don't count, that's when this guy pads his ERA to bring it down to its mediocre best. As far as a bright side, I am truly enjoying the story that is Josh Hamilton.

at 10:58 AM Blogger docproc said...

In addition to the horrible bullpen meltdown, it needs to be mentioned that the error by Rodriguez really hurt. I know it was a tough play, but the Reds paid him millions of dollars to come up with those.

at 11:49 AM Blogger Pat said...

I hope the Reds are more resillent than the fans that are already jumping ship. Sure, the last few games have been rough for the bullpen, but the hitting is coming around. This is a game of streaks and you knew the pen and the Reds would hit a rough patch.

Watch, Hamilton will go 2-3 games without a big hit and people will be questioning why we are keeping a rule 5 on the roster or maybe he won't and he'll hit 125 homers this year.

It's a long season. Relax folks, the Reds will do well this year.

Arizona Reds Fan

at 1:27 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part of this type of bullpen meltdown is the mismanagement by the manager. It should have been obvious that Coffey had already gone 2 nights in a row on Wednesday. You can't use every guy every night, Jerry. It's a continued trend from last season of using the wrong guys in the wrong spots.

Griffey has the flu? Unfortunately, the Reds are more formidable on offense with Freel, Hamilton and Edwin than with 2 of them and Jr. in the other spot.

Conine. Let's hope he's not day to day. In Doc K's world, that diagnosis always means weeks to months.

at 2:57 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everybody, calm it down a bit. Yes, these 2 Astro games were as pathetic as it gets, but we are still only 3 weeks into a 6 month season. Did you think the Reds would win 162 this year? Did you think the bullpen would never blow a game? Reading these comments above, it looks like everybody is already in full-out cynicism-mode. And not just about the Reds. Last night, Marty and Thom were joking about how the Reds would "more than welcome" the Phillies this weekend, implying that the Phillies are terrible. I know they have the worst record in baseball right now, but it's still April! Philly has lots of very good players that will more than likely go deep a few times against us this weekend. It's too early to know anything for certain about any team!!!!

at 3:01 PM Anonymous PaulS said...

It seems obvious that Reds fans have already jumped ship. The attendance for the Houston series was no greater than the Mil. series. It's sad to see the lack of support.

at 4:11 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Reds have more "bandwagon fans" than any team in baseball. Almost every comment that I read is negative. I thought that a fan was someone who encouraged a team even during rough times. Sure the bullpen had a bad week, but it sure doesn't help when you know that no one is behind you. The bullpen must feel like the whipping boy. It is all well and good when they perform, but everyone loves to rip them apart when they don't. I never see the timely hitting, good defense or fundamental decisions in the game questioned-- or should I say ripped apart. Get behind your WHOLE team Reds fans!!

at 5:44 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the bright side: When was the last time the Reds had a rookie of the year? Boy does he look good.

Scott Williamson in 1999, when they had a good bullpen. This one really $ucks. When will the management make a move - we cannot afford to wait for Guardado. We only get one chance at this.

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