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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Saturday, June 23, 2007

Griffey: What might have been

This is something I put in my Reds Insider for the paper (and you get it with it spending the $1.50):

Ken Griffey hit a home run in roughly every 4.2 games as a Red going into this season. He missed a total of 435 games as a Red.

So if he hit home runs at that rate and played in every game as a Red, he would have hit 103 more home runs. Add that to the 563 he had going into the season, and it would have put him at 666 entering 2007.

Of course, Griffey would not have played every game. But even if he missed an average of 10 a year, he'd be in reach of 700. And Barry Bonds would only be looking at holding the record temporarily.


20 Comments:

at 4:18 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John,

I think your math is a little off. Missing 435 games and hitting one homerun per 4.2 games would equal another 103 home runs, not 185. (435 divided by 4.2 equals 103.57)

Still a lot of extra homeruns but he would be a little short of 700.

 
at 4:19 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John,

I think your math is a little off. Missing 435 games and hitting one homerun per 4.2 games would equal another 103 home runs, not 185. (435 divided by 4.2 equals 103.57)

Still a lot of extra homeruns but he would be a little short of 700.

 
at 4:21 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

if eric davis never got hurt, he would have been the first 50-50 player.

if jose rijo never got hurt, he would be in the hall of fame.

if sean casey never got hurt, he'd still be our firstbaseman.

if, if, if.

 
at 4:42 PM Blogger docproc said...

And of course, he would have done it without steroids, which is more than Bonds or Sosa can say.

Oh, and the Reds probably would have been in the hunt for a playoff spot a few times if Griffey would have stayed healthy and hitting homers at that rate. That would have been even nicer...

 
at 5:24 PM Blogger FRANK BEAVER said...

ADD PAYROLL!!
I AM SICK OF GETTING YOUNG PLAYERS IN RETURN. AARON BBONE FOR BRANDON CLAUSSEN COME TO MIND!!

here is my 2 cents worth;
Right now we have almost 28,000 per game. If we could add 5,000 more at say $30.00 per person that would mean 150,000 per 81 games, and that makes 12 million over a season. Spend more money!
I know this would make no sense, but what if we would have signed Soriano?? Dunn to first, an outfield of Jr.,Hamilton, & Soriano. And I assure you that thay excitement would have sold more tickets. Also We would have a better bench. YES I know we have been hurt in relief pitching,so find a good reliefpitcher, BUT SPEND MORE TO MAKE MORE!!
THANKS GUYS!!

 
at 5:25 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, I find it interesting that 6 out the Reds' starters now have at least 10 HRs (Hatty and Conine have 11 combined so you could argue the number is 7 out of 8). Can any other teams match that number? So much for HRs as an indicator of team success

 
at 5:34 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

That rate would actually put him at 670 today ((152 x 7) / 4.2 + 398 + 19).

But the rate would be higher than 4.2 if he didn't have the injuries.

However, he has to want it as well. The injuries had some to do with the off season regimen.

 
at 5:43 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, With all of the HRs last night, I find it interesting that 6 out the Reds' 8 starters now have at least 10 HRs (Hatty and Conine have 11 combined so you could argue the number is 7 out of 8). Can any other teams match that number? So much for HRs as an indicator of team success

 
at 5:52 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Might want to check your math. 435 games divided by 4.2 is 103 missed home runs, not 182....putting him at 666. Back to cleaning my garage....

 
at 6:24 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The math has been fixed on original post. My bad. But you get the point.

 
at 7:06 PM Blogger Pat said...

I think it's odd that people cry about it being unfair that some ballplayers use steroids. That each player isn't on the same level playing field.
Yet, so few complain about the fact that the teams don't play on a level playing field. That large market teams have a major advantage over small market teams. Steroids are not the problem in baseball. An economic system that makes it virtually impossible for 1/3 of the teams to compete is much worse than anything a player can inject into himself.

 
at 7:30 PM Anonymous Gary214 said...

Jeez, anonymous, the math wizard, needs to get a life!! It was a good point John!

I have to admit, I was one of those fans who was pretty fed up with JR a few years back when he kept getting hurt. But the past 3 years he has won me over...the guy was an amazing talent, and it wasn't his fault that Bowden mortgaged the farm to get him. He showed a lot of class last night, and I am glad I got to see it...well, MOST of it...Thanks a lot, FSN...you blew that one!!!!

 
at 8:18 PM Blogger John Fay said...

To the home run question: The Reds went in Saturday leading all of baseball with 105. Milwaukee was second with 99.

 
at 8:27 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gary, you said Bowden Mortaged the farm to get Junior. Who in that trade do you wish the Reds would not have traded?

 
at 9:57 PM Anonymous Vince said...

It's not who was traded for Griffey, it's the amount of money paid and owed to Junior that handcuffed the Reds during the Lindner ownership and made the acquisition of free-agent pitching impossible.

 
at 10:00 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give John a break on the math. It's not his fault that his parents sent him to Elder.

 
at 10:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fact is that the home runs are great, and the offense has been doing well. If the Reds had even an average bullpen, they'd be in the thick of it.

 
at 10:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vince, come on dude. Jim Bowden didn't draft and develop one decent starting pitcher in 12 years. That was the problem, not the money.

 
at 10:38 PM Anonymous Gary214 said...

Yeah, I didn't mean the trade, per se, but more the money spent on 'The Kid'. Things were tighter then with that ownership, and we didn't have enough room to move so as to put a good surrounding cast around the guy. As it turned out, the injuries made that a moot point, sort of....

 
at 1:21 PM Blogger cincikid said...

I don't really think that the debate can be said on what players we lost during that trade. If you did, some would debate that Mike Cameron has performed much better than Grif in the last 7 years. All of this is hindsight anyways. I wonder what other players could we have concentrated on with the money owed to Griffey in the last 7 offseasons. I know that Griffey has graciously deferred some of the money owed to him.

POINT IS:
He could have been the King, but wasn't.
Could have wore the Reds C to Cooperstown, but won't now.
Could have stayed healthy, but wasn't meant to be.

At least we know that Seattle would always welcome him back to Seattle. It's pretty obvious that they have enjoyed Jr. and appreciate him alot more than most Reds fans. Griffey alone yet agian packed Safeco all by himself. I'm sure that Seattle's ownership noticed.

 
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