On the Dunn rumor
My old buddy Tim Sullivan floated the Adam Dunn-to-San Diego rumor by Padre GM Kevin Towers. Towers' reply: "Not worth chasing."
The report in San Diego was left-hander Justin Hampson, right-hander Clay Hensley and another player for Dunn.
Dunn's contract status -- his option goes away if he traded -- probably would not concern the Padres. They're looking for a bat to get them over the top, even if a it's a rent-a-bat.
Hampson and Hensley are both 27. Hampson is 2-1 with a 0.81 ERA. Hensley is currently pitching in Triple-A. He was 11-12 with a 3.71 ERA last year.
The trade seems to make sense. Maybe the combination of players changes and it happens.
posted by John Fay at 4:45 PM
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Post a Comment*I don't see how this trade makes sense. Hampson and Hensley are both 27 and have trouble sticking on a major league roster. Dunn is in the middle of his 6th full season.
They are both pitching in a home park built for pitchers, so you have to adjust their numbers to account for the GABP affect. Hampson has had 22 good innings this year. His previous 450 innings, most of which were in the minors, aren't much to get excited about.
Unless "another player" is Jake Peavy, this would be a terrible deal. And yes, I realize the Padres wouldn't trade Peavy for Dunn, but I'm struggling to understand who the 3 players would be in this deal that would make sense for the Reds.
What'dya think, John ... I looked up Hensley's numbers and they're not so good. Does he still have a future? The Reds thought Lohse was young enough to still have a future and that's not turning out too well.
Where would the Reds put Hensley? Who gets bumped? Belisle? Lohse?
It should be pointed out that the Padres picked up Justin Hampson on waivers.
That doesn't mean you can't trade for Hampson. He's doing a good job in VERY low-leverage situations in SD. The point is that you don't need to trade for relief pitchers. They're available everywhere.
Kevin Towers got Hampson, Justin Germano, and Scott Linebrink on waivers. Wayne Krivsky and the Reds passed on both Hampson and Germano since last off-season.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20070618-9999-1s18padnotes.html
Clay Hensley is in AAA after posting a 7.62 ERA in nearly 30 innings with San Diego. I really like Hampson, but why would the Reds want to take a guy who was demoted after posting a 7.62 ERA in a pitcher's park and send him out to throw in a hitter's park?
I would take Towers response as good ole fashioned negotiation. Every GM will talk down a trade or lower the value of a target player in order to get that player as a staal. Krivsky is right for asking for the world for Dunn cause as the NL leaders Dodgers and Padres battle it out, one will make a move and the other will have to also to stay in contention, that is when they will be knocking on the door for Dunn.
How's this for a Dunn-deal?
Dunn and Hatteberg to Texas, Texas ships Texeria to the Yankees, Reds get Hughes and a second pitching prospect from the Yankees. It seems to work for all three teams.
Reds get more pitching. Votto starts at 1B sooner. Griffey, Hamilton and Hopper play daily (add Freel when healthy).
Yanks get a 1B. Dunn gets closer to home and his contract somewaht matches Texeria.
Frank, I could only hope, but Hughes is untouchable.
You have to be kidding me?!?!?!? This is all they can get for Dunn. Or is this all Wayne is asking for? John you must pass along to WK that this type of return is not acceptable. I must say, I've been a WK-supporter to this day, but if this trade takes place, count me in as a non-supporter. This is a TERRIBLE trade.
If this is the best they can get back for Dunn, then they shouldn't make the trade. I think as we get closer to the trade deadline we'll see the quality of players offered for Dunn improve. This is not the time to panic and move him for little value.
It's all tire kicking, folks. Relax.
How is getting rid of Dunn going to help us? The reds need to get rid of griffey jr since he has done nothing for our team since we got him- his favorite place to be is the DL- trade him for gods sake- you get rid of some of the good guys (Casey/Lopez/kearns etc)- so what if he is having good year so far what is going to happen when the hammy starts hurting or his tummy is going to ache who are we going to have then... I am sick of getting rid of the good guys- get rid of the old ones!@
you have to remember it is dunn for half a season. Then he's a free agent and can go anywhere. You don't get anything but prospects for half a season. If we keep him we get a draft pick from whoever signs him.
Annon 10:02 your an idiot
Every year Griffey gets red hot, we fail to trade him, then he pulls or dislocates or tears or breaks something and misses weeks or months. It's only a matter of time. Yet teams have always expressed interest when JR is healthy and hitting well. The problem now is that JR is only 3 more seasons of 35 HRs or so (plus another 20 this year) away from surpassing Babe Ruth on the all-time Home Run list. That pursuit is worth having around these parts, especially if we keep leaking talent for mediocrity to the extent recently seen. If we can't have the playoffs, if we can't keep the Moseleys and Germanos and Harrises and Lopezes and Penas at least we can have Griffey's pursuit of Babe and Hank and Mr. Clear Cream. JR retiring a Red with 715+ HRs is something to look forward to...but we'll have to make sure we have enough slugger-OF depth to handle Griffey's medicare absences. Which is a really good argument to try to keep DUNN too.
But only if DUNN shows more concern for his profession in an all-round way: Adam McDUNNalds looks to be carrying 30 extra pounds of flab, half in his face, as if he misunderstood a coach's directions to "imitate the Marlins' Miguel Cabrera at the plate--the dinner plate.
I say keep Dunn and Griffey unless you find a GM out there who has lost his mind and wants to give the Reds some extraordinary talent in return.
You have to trade Dunn now. This past week as Dunn heated up for his annual one week slug fest I along with a lot of the "smart" reds "fans" noticed that Dunn's stock shot right up, giving several teams, still in contention, something to salivate over. Why wait? Trade him for a ham sandwich if thats the best you can get, at least the sandwich doest make me nauseous every time it is put in front of me. Trading Dunn may not yield the big return for those that are expecting a top-tier starter or reliever. Trading Dunn will in the long run (what we as Reds fans have to be looking at) free up money for, as Alan Kutler says, "pitching, pitching, pitching, pitching."
Adam Dunn is fun for the occasional, go-once-a-year Reds "fan." He hits home runs and he takes up a lot of space (yet another story). Real baseball fans and Real Reds fans understand that its not the 40 HRs you hit a year, its the 200 strikeouts a year that leaves runners on base and plainly ruins chances to win ball games that affect a team.
WINNING is what matters, not HR's (the reds lead the Major Leagues in HRs and they are in the cellar).
So i propose as I have gone on and on to please, please trade Adam Dunn for anything young and with an un-met ceiling and start getting our beloved Reds headed in the right direction.
Clay Hensley is actually much better than his numbers this year indicate. I'd start him over Lohse any day.
That being said, I don't think this would be a very good trade for the Reds. If it were Hensley and Linebrink, plus a PTBNL, that might work.
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