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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Pete on Bruce

The question was hypothetical. Pete Mackanin was asked of bringing up a player like Jay Bruce up in September would help him, even if he didn't play a lot?

“I think there's always a benefit for anybody to get that experience. However, there’s reasons why he may not be called up. There’s a lot more that goes into than that. I think it’s great experience for anybody to be up here – see the type of game’s that played, get used to bright lights. But, perhaps in the case of Jay Bruce, it might not happen.”

Mackanin said he hasn't discussed call-ups with Wayne Krivsky yet.

But it sounds like a call-up could pitch Saturday. The Reds will keep Bronson Arroyo on his regular rest. He'll pitch Sunday.

"He volunteered to pitch Saturday," Mackanin said.

The Reds decided against it. Arroyo was so tired after six innings and 80 pitches Tuesday that he asked to come of the game.


at 5:06 PM Blogger Mark said...


which call up options do they have taht would be in the running to start?

at 6:46 PM Blogger Jim said...


Does a September call up start the arbitration clock? I can't think of any other reason why they would hesitate to bring him up.

at 6:52 PM Blogger John Fay said...

It does. And you have to put him on the 40-man. But I don't think that was a concern of Tigers when they called up Cameron Maybin.

at 7:24 PM Blogger Taylor said...

Does Pete's experience as the advance scout give any credence to his concerns about bringing players like Bruce up?

After seeing both Bruce and Votto in person, Votto is more ready of the two baseball wise (he doesn't have anything left to prove in AAA), but I don't see the harm in exposing a younger player like Bruce to the highest level. Even if it is just to get his feet wet on a bigger stage.

at 8:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I tend to disagree taylor. Votto hasn't hit lefties well at all. Of his 22 HR's only 2 have been against a lefty. He's also only batting .239 off lefties. Where does he fit in w/ the Reds? Don't they have enough hitters that hit righties.

On the other hand Jay Bruce, in his short stint at AAA has 4 HR's vs. lefties (of his 10) and is batting .283 vs. lefties.

I've seen both play and Bruce is an absolute freakish athlete. He is the definition of 5 tool player.

at 10:24 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

Was Mackanin asked to elaborate on these mysterious reasons why Jay Bruce won't be called up?

at 10:32 PM Blogger John Fay said...

No. Because he didn't actually say he's not coming up. If he doesn't, Krivsky will be asked about it.

at 12:27 AM Blogger OhioJim said...

I see a major flaw in your plan for the Reds to get the young guys up and to play them every day.

The Reds themselves may be out of the race but as things stand, 18 of their remaining games will be with teams that are very much in the race.

Ethically the Reds are obligated to put their best team on the field and to make their best effort to win all of those 18 games.

Things are different this year because of the Reds having 3 teams in front of them. But as of now they are 7 games off of the divisonal lead. Weren't they about the same distance from the lead at this point last year when they did throw it in only to have to have the race come back to them in the last 10 days of the season?

at 7:30 AM Anonymous jc said...

Ohio Jim. i understand what you are saying.... conventional baseball thinking. what the reds ARE obligated to do..... is to do the hings that will help them become a better team in the long run. not to worry about the beloved cubbies, cardinals or brewers. don't care today... won't care tomorrow. if we are out of it.... and we are out of it.... the job is to do everything you can to make sure it does not happen again.

at 8:19 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...


Do you know if there is any reason behind Ellison getting so much playing time...and could it have anything to do with wanting to have a decision on him before september 1st?

at 10:02 AM Anonymous Justin Fernandez said...

Ohio Jim is right--the Reds are obligated to try to win their remaining games--for the Reds fans and for the "integrity" of major league baseball.

Bruce would help the Reds win games.

Let's hope that on Labor Day at 1:14 PM, the Reds take the field with a five-game winning streak.

If Ellison sees any Mets pitching next week with the Reds trailing or tied in the game, the Reds are just making a mockery of winning, their fans, and the integrity of baseball. Bruce and Votto ought to both be up here, and Ellison long gone.

He's 1-16 - his sole hit a double in the 14-4 Braves romp before the Reds turned red hot...

One for Sixteen! Who does management think Ellison is? Richie Sexson?

The front office makes some good moves, now they just need to stop making bad moves!

While mathematically ALIVE, the Reds ought to play every game as if they're tied for first place.

at 12:17 PM Anonymous Zach in MO said...

For the 1st time EVER I agree with what you are saying.

But surely the Votto & Bruce call ups are related to starting the service time clock.

I think Krivsky has shown he has a plan, if even he isn't sharing it with Reds fans.

I trust his baseball judgement. We have more pieces to work with than we have in nearly a decade.

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