Transaction, history made
From the Reds:
--The Reds today reinstated from the 15-day disabled list IF Pedro Lopez. Lopez had been on the DL since 7/26 with a broken left cheekbone suffered the day before when he was hit by a pitch by Mil’s Matt Wise.
--For only the third time in Major League history did the first 3 batters of a game each homer (courtesy Elias Sports Bureau).
4/13/1987, SD’s Marvell Wynne, Tony Gwynn and John Kruk homered off SF’s Roger Mason (at SD)
5/28/2003, Atl’s Rafael Furcal, Mark DeRosa and Gary Sheffield homered off Cin’s Jeff Austin (at Atl)
9//9/2007, Mil’s Rickie Weeks, J.J. Hardy and Ryan Braun homered off Cin’s Phil Dumatrait (at Cin)
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Post a Comment*Thank god Football is starting. The Reds organization should be ashamed for the product they put on the field year after year. I will never spend a dime on that team again until they wake up and deliver something even close to a quality product.
Yeah, the Reds are a joke--Petey's a genius when he's up 10-0...
33-28 now. Under .500 for his half soon.
Did Ellison get it past the pitcher's mound in today's at bat?
Dumb and Dumbersky ought to be fired for getting Ellison, and playing him.
I think it is freakin hillarious that some guys can only be trusted to pitch when we are getting killed. Coffey, Guardado, Saarloos, and company (by the way Stanton belongs here too though he didnt pitch today) must know that they are on the "loser side" of the bullpen. They must all feel like the last kid picked for dodgeball.
I agree with Mac in pitching them only in these situations bc they havent proved to be capable of holding a lead but it still cracks me up seeing it in black and white. I wonder how these guys relate with the rest of the team and more specifically to the rest of the bullpen- you know the good relief ptichers. There almost has to be animosity considering that a few guys ruined our chance for contention, but I dont know maybe the team rose above all that and have a fairly healthy team environment. I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Kevin
The Reds continue to be patient with some of these pitchers at the expense of losing games. Dumatrait has no more business in the bigs right now than a Geico caveman. I know the season is all but over and they need to give some guys looks, but haven't they seen enough of Dumatrait's failures? I know I have.
I have to agree with Anon 1:50. While the Reds have a few decent players, fans have had to suffer through a LOT of stiffs this team this year (Decaf, the Lizard, Ross, Lohse, Belisle, Milton, Stanton, etc.). Thank God for the St. X Bombers and the Cincinnati Bengals.
I did not witness today's debacle. But I think the club is doing a disservice to Dumatrait by continue to run him out there. Mackanin said himself the guy isn't ready to pitch in the majors.
John,
You are correct that it is a disservice to him but its more of a disservice to the fans. How long do the fans have to pay and watch these pitchers. Its a joke and its either time for the owner to spend some money and get serious like he promised or just close up shop. The Reds organization is one of the worst in all of sports.
To expand further on 3:35 comment...
Everyone would agree that Ellison should not be on this team, nonetheless play. I also want to say, in my opinion, that Mackanin is showing flawed thinking and managerial inexperience when he pinch hits Ellison early so he can save his best pinch hitters for later. I never have understood that!! For one, some of these better pinch hitters dont even get a chance late in the game. For two, it doesnt matter if you score in the 5th or the 9th. They both equal one run so dont save your best hitters for later in the game. Third, the bench is deep enough so quality pinch hitters dont have to be saved for later. Maybe I am missing something because I dont get it.
I will be excited for next year though because we do have a great young nucleus and will contend if we can pull off some good pitching trades and FA signings (not holding my breath but we will see).
And 4:47- as a St X grad, GO BOMBERS!!! I am amazed at how much traveling these HS teams are doing now but it creates must-see matchups.
Kevin
Anon 4:47 -- interestingly, all those names but one are pitchers. The one is part of the regular battery.
Same problem, different season.
They're wrecking Dumatrait by not shutting him down. He'll be lucky if we ever see him in Cincinnati after this year.
This organization flat out can't handle young pitching. Harang is an aberration. All the others have been jerked around and thrown to the wolves until they're shot.
Of course the team is doing a disservice to Dumatrait by rolling him out there ... but what about the disservice Krivsky (who we all know is behind this decision) is doing the fans (with Castellini's tacit or actual blessing). The more I see of this garbage, the more idiotic I feel for believing Castellini when he said he's all about winning now. Apparently, what he meant by those comments was, "I'm all about winning more money for me ... now ... by rolling out bargain basement goofs like Dumatrait."
I was there the night Dumatrait threw 54 pitches in two innings in route to giving up 8 runs to the Braves (8/20) - this kid does not have the stuff to be a Big League player and it shows. I won't go to extreme of saying Castellini has let me down - lets be honest here - at the end of the day, baseball is a business - we like to think it's more than that, but it's really not and I respect the fact that Castellini hasn't pulled a Dan O'Brien and signed another Eric Milton to a ludicrously high contract just because we need a pitcher and he's available.
That being said...something needs to be done. Its time to spend some coin on a real manager - a proven leader, not just another product of our busted system. Spend a few mil on a man like Torre, LaRussa, or Piniella - (not that those guys will be leaving there clubs anytime soon). After that - it is obvious, pitching needs to be found. A #3 and #4 starter and SOMEONE to due the set up work. Not rocket science at all, but I'd lay money we're sitting at 79-83 again next year...
A final point going back to baseball as business - almost 25K people showed up on that 8/20 game I mentioned above – 25K people on a Monday night to watch at team that had no shot at the post season….Imagine if we were in the thick of it…Bobby C…if you build it – we will come…
I don't think this team is a professional baseball team. Any major league team couldn't such a shame history twice. Our owner and GM did their worst for us this year.
I hope that the game yesterday showed you fair weather "experts" what happens when you rush a young pitcher to the major leagues. You people got what you asked for!
Now.. let's let the baseball people manage the team.
As baseball GMs go I believe Krisky has done fairly above average job. Given the lack of minor league quality pitching, and no money to spend on quality free agent starting pitching (or relievers) and the lack such quality on the market last winter and this coming winter, how can one complain? You just have to face the facts, until the minors develop pitching the Reds can use, it will be tough for them to contend. Homer will be fine next year, but the question is the #4,5 (or 3, 5 depending on where you put Homer) spots and a quality veteran closer. The Reds should of traded for Gagne, shame on Wayne there, but at least the vast majority of the moves he made will benefit the Reds for years to come.
Such names are Hamilton, Burton, Bray, Cueto, Phillips, Arroyo, Keppinger (I think Wayne signed him), Hatteberg, and then he resign Valentine, brought Hopper in the fold. Near misses were Fast Eddie, Maj, Ross, and Lohse. He got rid of over rated players in Lopez and Kearns, but also got rid of Lohse with no good #3 alternative and then injuries struck. Granted the guy they got for Lohse could be a really good #2,3 guy too.
Outside of the now infamous 'how to handle Adam Dunn' question, and the obvious bridging the gap (until minors leagues start producing) pitching solutions for next year (or two), Wayne has acquitted himself rather well. how many years did it take for Bengals to go above .500 after Lewis took over?
Adrian
Yes RAD, which baseball people are you referring to? Jerry Narron, Wayne Krivsky, Dave Miley, Bob Boone, Dan O'Brian, Carl Lindner. I am giving Castellini a pass for this year until I see whether or not he brings in some experienced professionals to run the team next year. Tell us RAD, which of these baseball geniuses did you think would lead us out of 8 straight losing seasons. Even the immortal Dick Wagner did not lose for this long (he was sent packing thank God).
I'll bet the Enquirer's sports writers are printing up Reds playoff tickets right now, seeing as the Reds have Cubs and Brewers right where they want them.
LET? Oh yeah fans have power to "LET" BC do or refrain from doing something. Too funny! The present "team" in the front office and owner's box is simply "lost." Win now? Ha ha ha. Pray now! Pray next year. More of 2007 on the way (great potential, a few superb hitters, and a horrible array of pitchers).
Don't you have your 2017 Reds Playoffs Tickets yet? Give Castellini 10 years and he's bound to figure out that GMs who sign players who hit .090 while keeping minor league players of the year in AA or AAA are not what we need in Cleveland South.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thst'd this years REDS team. Yeah! We had a short nice lttle run last month, didn't last long. This 07 team is the worst pathetic bunch I have ever seen with the exception of Harang & Phillips. It's plain Wayne you are a loser, Bob your a Rich arrogant Business man who doesn't care about winning. I mean who really wants to spend gas,time, money for tickets to see this garbage lose every game. CINCINNATIREDS team and managment has hit an all time.Low...P.S. Next year will be no better so why should I care? Signed REDS FAN since 1974.
Dumatrait was doing well enough in AAA to get a callup, but hasn't shown that he's ready for the show. That should quiet those who want to see Cueto. Dumatrait is there because there is no one else. Period.
Harang, Arroyo, Belisle, Shearn, Gosling.
It's not a pretty rotation, but it's sure not "no one else." Dumatrait doesn't need to be in this rotation. Why do this to him, when the only thing at stake anymore is the future?
The rosters have expanded. They're carrying 17 pitchers. If a starter among the five above gets shelled and knocked out early in a game, there are what, 11 relievers left? And Mackanin said the other day that he has no idea how he's going to use all of the relievers? Huh?
Stick him in the pen and let him hang out with Weathers, who can talk him down off the ceiling. The kid will be okay if he's not wrecked already.
Plus, it's time to figure out who in that bullpen can hack it next year. 11 guys sitting down there? 4-5 of them need to go. Figure out which ones rather than doing the Bowden thing in spring training, inviting every free pitcher with anything resembling an arm and see what sticks. Crazy.
I don't understand why they make this simple game so freakin' complicated.
That rotation produces another 15 game under .500 season, genius.
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