On to the roster
From the Reds:
TODAY’S NEWS: The Reds today added to the 40-man roster RHP Richie Gardner, IF Paul Janish, LHP Tyler Pelland, RHP Ramon Ramirez, C Craig Tatum and RHP Daryl Thompson...today is the deadline for all 30 Major League Baseball teams to file their reserve lists for the upcoming Rule 5 Draft, scheduled for December 6 during the Winter Meetings in Nashville...any player eligible for the Rule 5 Draft who is not protected on a Major League 40-man roster may be selected by another team...eligibility for the draft depends on the player’s age during the signing season of his first contract...generally, players who sign at age 19 or older are under a club’s control for 4 seasons, while players who sign at age 18 or younger are under a club’s control for 5 seasons...after today’s deadline, no team can promote a minor league player to its 40-man roster until after the Rule 5 Draft, though it can remove a player from the roster to make room for a Rule 5 draft selection.
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Post a Comment*Anyone of note from the Reds that is not being protected?
John, how many does this put the current 40-man at?
John, is it true that Jay Bruce does not have to be protected yet? Also, do you think he wasn't brought up at the end of the season, not so much because the Reds were worried about a few weeks of servece time, but because they didn't want to put him on the 40 until they are ready to bring him up for good? My opinion is that the typical Reds fan is making the assumption that Jay Bruce is ready for the majors (and I would agree), but I get the feeling that Krivsky is not making that same assumption.
Hey John --
I don't know the Reds minor league system well enough to know the answer to this so I thought I'd ask you. Was there any surprises in terms of the 40 man roster additions and was any one exposed to the Rule 5 draft by the Reds that might have been a surprise?
--Redbeard
John,
Why is EZ Ramirez not on the 40 man roster? From what I understand he is number 1 on most teams' list of minor league free agents. He's 24 with stuff and has had success at the major league level. With a team desperate for pitching I can't believe the Reds would let cheap talent walk.
I guess Bruce and Cueto fall under the Reds protection and can't be drafted. I would have thought Matt Maloney would have been added, but I don't know how long he's been in the pros. Gardner is a surprise here. He was something of a big deal prospect 3 years ago, but then his arm went to hell. So I wonder how much value he really has.
I expect Gary Majewski and Jerry Gil will be non-tendered and released before the end of the year. And I expect there will be a few trades, but not a lot of free agents signings. And I don't think they'll take part in the rule 5 this year
John,
Any noteworthy names down on the farm that are unprotected and eligible to be lost?
Thanks
ray kinsella - Carlos Guevara is the most noteworthy Red who will be exposed to the Rule V draft. Which is absolutely ridiculous, since he's younger, and has had more success at every level, than Ramirez and Tatum. This guy will get picked up, and have a successful career for a team willing to take a chance on him. Stupid, stupid move by Krivsky.
2:50 - Bruce does not have to be protected yet. A player doesn't have to be protected until he's been in the minors for 5 years if he was drafted at age 18 or younger, or 4 years if he was drafted at age 19 or older. Jay Bruce was 18 when he was drafted in 2005, so technically doesn't have to be on the 40-man roster until after 2009.
russ - Elizardo Ramirez has been in the minors for 6 years, and is thus a Minor League Free Agent. He is free to sign with any team at this point.
4:31 - Cueto was 19 when signed, and has 3 years in the minors. He wouldn't have to be protected until after next season. Maloney was 21 when drafted, and has 3 years in the minors, and thus not eligible for the Rule V Draft.
There's a good reason Elizardo Ramirez isn't on the 40----he's useless! Most of the time, if a player hasn't made it to the Majors for good after 4 years of call-ups, it means they can't get it together, they don't have IT. Evry now and then, you might get a sleeper like Kevin Jarvis, who gets it together late and is good for a couple seasons. But generally, these 4 year guys have had their shot and failed to impress. Elizardo had a game with the Phillies and 3 years with a Reds team that needed pitching. He did not deliver. Good bye, move along, don't care what you do but you can't do it here
John,
A couple of issues ago, Baseball America commented that Carlos Guevero [spelling?] was sure to be taken if he was not protected. What do you know about this pitcher and why he was not protected?
Tom
Richmond, VA
Guevara was 1-2 with a 2.32 ERA and 16 saves at Chattanooga. It's a calculated risk. This is where clubs trust their scouts. Guevara is 25. I think if he were younger, they would have protected him.
Carlos Guevara was just picked up by Florida. Carlos was the fifth player taken in the 2007 Rule 5 draft. Florida turned right around and traded Carlos to San Diego.
Good Luck Carlos!!!
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