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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Tuesday, December 4, 2007

Krivsky speaks, Day II

The Reds haven't been getting mentioned much -- except maybe here -- when it comes to speculation about the top starters on the trade market -- Erik Bedard, Dan Haren, Dontrelle Willis. That doesn't mean they aren't trying to get those type of players.

"I never said that," Wayne Krivsky said. "I've never said we haven’t connected with the clubs with the higher-end pitchers. I’m looking at anyway I can to improve the team."

Reading between the lines here, that tells me that the Reds maybe aiming higher than expected. Like they did with Francisco Cordero. If they are, Krivsky would do so as quietly as possible.

"Some people like to talk more than I do," he said.

I asked Krivsky if the Reds might be willing to trade pitching for different pitching.

"To get a quality starting pitcher you’re going to have to give up something of quality," Krivsky said. "That goes without saying. To subtract from one area where you might be weak in then substitute another . . . if upgrades you fine. But typically you deal from area where you have more depth to fill an area where you’re light."

"There’s not many teams that have depth in starting pitching right now. There are a few."

Reading between the lines, again, that may mean the Reds are willing to part with Homer Bailey in the right deal.


at 6:00 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess I don't follow the logic: If the Reds need starting pitching, and Bailey is one of the few good ones they have, why would they trade him to get srarting pitching? I'm not buying it for a second.

at 6:18 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Simply put: Haren and Bedard are surer bets. Haren was 15-9 with a 3.07 ERA last season, Bedard was 13-5, with a 3.16.

Bailey has that potential but he hasn't done in the big leagues yet.

at 6:26 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they trade Bruce + Bailey for Bedard Krivsky should be fired.

at 7:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bailey+Hamilton I would accept. Bruce should never even be mentioned.
With Beddard's nasty curve that he has even once he starts to enter his mid to late 30's when he starts to lose a little but of that 94mph heat his curve would still be god enough to carry him. But if we do trade Bailey we would either need to sign another starter or allow Shearn to pitch(dear god no Belise) and Cueto would have to start but I would feel fine b/c Cueto is a lot furthur along then Bailey, has 4 quality pitches that he can throw for strikes

at 7:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't give up anything for a guy that will become a free agent in 2 years. That would just be plain stupid.

at 7:39 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Reds track record for developing OFs is much better than their pathetic history of starters. With that fact stated, Krivsky must seriously consider any offer that brings a front line starter for Bruce.

at 7:44 PM Anonymous MONEY MIKE said...

Give the man a bit of credit if he makes a move of this capacity. At least one could say Krivsky has some stones if he does this. Sometimes you have to take a chance and with the NL Central as week as it is right now it wont take much to move up. Now is go time.

at 7:46 PM Blogger Cuz said...

I am sure Castellini would have to approve the trade if it involved Bailey and Bruce.

at 7:54 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one is mentioning Votto as possible trade bait -- nor am I wishing for it -- but the Reds have depth at 1st. It makes you wonder if there might be a move with one of the first basemen?

at 7:57 PM Blogger John Fay said...

No trade is going to include Bruce AND Bailey. It's one or the other.

Again, I'd be stunned if they traded Bruce. Too high a ceiling.

I could see Bailey going because some people in the organization like Johnny Cueto as well.

at 7:58 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thats be realistic. Even with Bedard the Reds can't win the World Series in 08. They will be better off waiting a year for Cueto, Bailey, and Bruce and then they can really compete.

at 8:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trade Cueto.

at 8:14 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they trade Bruce,Bailey, or Cueto for a guy that will become a Free Agent Krivsky is a complete Idiot.

at 8:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have the Reds expressed any interest toward any of the Japanese players available?

at 8:58 PM Anonymous mikec said...

Given that I live in Florida, I've watched enough of Willis to say I wouldn't give up Bailey or Bruce for him. Rumor has it the A's wouldn't even talk to the Tigers about Haren unless they would give up both Cameron Maybin and Adam Miller. That's essentially the same deal as Bruce and Bailey. And there's no way I give up both for Haren. So I guess that leaves Bedard. There's also lesser guys like Blanton.

at 9:37 PM Blogger Dave from Louisville said...


Redlegnation.com is reporting Bedard for Bailey package. Give us an update.

at 9:52 PM Blogger John Fay said...

I read Doc's column. He wrote about several possiblities. One was the Reds are willing to part with Bailey as part of a package for Bedard.

at 10:37 PM Blogger Joe said...

Wow...Bedard wouldn't be a free agent for 2 years guys. It's not like we'd only get one year out of him. I think a package centered around Homer is not a bad idea if the Orioles are interested.

Bailey has always struggled with control and he had a rough time up here in his first go-round. I know he was injured, but that concerns me. Giving up a lot of hits and walking people when you come up is not out of the ordinary, but his fastball slowed down and his K rate was pretty terrible. I think now might be the time to move him. Even if he can become something special, Bedard is clearly already something special.

I like Edwin, but I might even do Homer, Votto and Edwin for Bedard and either Cabrera or Loewen since we will still need to add a starter.

With Harang, Bedard and Bronson in our rotation, you'd have a hard time convincing me that there is a better rotation in the NL. With guys like Dunn, Hamilton, Griffey and Phillips still around, we would make a strong push for the playoffs. Get us in a series where you have to face Harang, Bedard and Arroyo...good luck to whoever we play. If you also consider that Cueto should be up with the big club by mid-season, and I would really like our chances.

Ideally, I think it would help if we could give the Orioles Hamilton instead of Votto and EE so we can hang on to a right handed bat and open up a spot in the outfield for Bruce when he is ready. I also like Votto's potential to be one of the better hitters in the NL Central.

The possibility of Erik Bedard excites me. That's just my two cents.

at 3:28 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's read between the lines guys!!!
Trade from the area you're strong in to strengthen your weak spot. That means position player/players go. It makes the most sense. You want a quality pitcher, you must give up quality players. Without pitching, you will not win, just ask the Yankees!!!

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