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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Saturday, July 21, 2007

Marlins 11, Reds 1

Pete Mackanin hadn't seen the bullpen implode until the last couple of nights. Saturday's implosion in the eighth was epic even by the Reds lofty standards.

The Marlins first nine hitters reached -- eight of them scored. Kirk Saarloos, Jon Coutlangus and Todd Coffey all failed to get an out in the inning. Ricky Stone finally stopped the bleeding after eight runs were in.

“We’re going to have to make some adjustments with the guys,” he said. “I don't know if they’re mechanical adjustments, mental adjustments. The players have to figure it out.”

Or, Mackanin added, new players will be here.

“There’s always a possibility of that,” Mackanin said. “This is not development here. We’re trying to win every game. Players audition every day.”

"Everybody's got pressure. It's a pressure-filled game. That's what competitors do: When they're under pressure, they perform. So, of course, on a daily basis you're under a lot of pressure. You have to perform. If you're performing under pressure, someone else is."


at 11:30 PM Anonymous ADMS said...

This has to be it for Coffey. Game over. The extension he got earlier in the season is still making me taste bile - he has done very little to deserve it.
Question to the stats-followers out there: At this rate, would the Reds be considered the worst 8th inning team of all time? This has gone above and beyond sad and pathetic. I think the words to use couldn't be published here.
Coffey. Take one for the team. Go home. When we show hope, you kick it below the belt. Burn your Reds jersey and head back to whatever hole you crawled out of. You're supposed to be a professional ballplayer, not a member of a drunken softball league.
I'm sure the Reds will stop payment on any future checks to him.

at 11:44 PM Blogger Wes said...

Time to show Todd Coffey the door. Krivsky hasn't been afraid to cut bad players before, and Coffey is exceptionally bad.

at 11:51 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

Make no mistake... The Cowboy speaks the truth.

at 4:07 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I call bs on this story, our bullpen hasnt allowed a run all season!

at 8:06 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Making adjustments"...oh please.

For all of you that were hoping for a quick miracle..maybe now you can understand my concerns.. This team is pitiful and it just aint the darn bullpen.

Lack of timely hitting, errors, terrible base running( including that last night of everyones hero Griffey)
abound on this team

This team makeup is terrible and major changes at all levels are necessary. Look at the difference in the oomph in the lineup that Florida has compared to us... and their payroll is what?

But all of you have fun thinking we have rounded a corner with Pete and everything is close to being fine.

Time for football

at 8:42 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been an avid Reds fan for about (50) years and what I saw from Coffey on Saturday was unbelieveable! If that performance doesn't get him some quiet time at AAA I'll have to question the sanity of Reds' management.

at 8:55 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we make some trades already?

at 9:36 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure why the bullpen implosion is the story of the day when the offense could only score 1 run off of a guy with a 5+ ERA. Looks like nobody was brave enough to ask about the Griffey loafing play either.

at 10:13 AM Anonymous LexFan said...

Why no mention of Griffey's base running gaffe in your article or blog? Did you have access to the players and manager after the game? I would be curious to hear what Junior and Pete M have to say about it, especially Pete M. It looked to me like it was a lack of hustle. If so, then what is Pete going to do about it? If it was indeed lack of hustle, is Pete going to hold Junior accountable? You are in a unique position to ask these guys legitimate questions that in essence holds them accountable to a certain degree... questions most of us Reds fans would love to ask these guys, but can't.

at 10:45 AM Blogger John Fay said...

I didn't know anything about it until Chris Welsh mentioned it me as I came up from the clubhouse. I was watching the ball on the play. I didn't see Griffey until he was almost to secnod base. And they didn't show a replay on the Florida TV. I'll ask about it today.

at 10:49 AM Blogger docproc said...

Agreed about the Griffey loafing issue. It was clearcut, inexcusable, and came at a time when we could have broken open the game in our favor. Is anybody going to talk about this?

at 10:55 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...


this entire team plays with a malaise and indifference it ain't just Griffey

The marlins with a 30 million dollar payroll..give them a pitcher or 2 would be unbeatable

I love my Reds.. but this entire team... is nauseating from TOP to Bottom

at 11:12 AM Blogger Jrcincyreds said...

Seems like everytime someone has one good season they give them a extension example todd coffey, Bronson arroyo, jerry narron,

at 11:16 AM Blogger Jerryredsfan said...

I just wish you guys would stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel.

at 11:46 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why talk about Griffey? - He isn't the team's problem. He's played in 90 games and is hitting .283 w/65 rbi and 24 hr.

The issue no one will talk about is Krivsky. The Cinti press cuts Krivsky a big break when his moves should be critiqued daily.

People wondering why the team continues to struggle need look no further than the GM. Until the GM chair is occupied by someone who understands how to assemble a winning team the Reds will dive for the cellar every time the Pirates open the door.

at 11:56 AM Blogger John Fay said...

Krivsky did a good job last year. This year's record speaks for itself. My Reds Insider last week was on how the Natinoals trade hasn't worked.

But you can't really critique a GM on a daily basis. Do you want: Phillips went 2-for-4 that trade looks great. David Ross struck out three times that trade was awful.

You've got to take the long view on things. We do that periodically.

at 12:11 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

john fay

i disagree..Krivsky did nothing last year except run dozens of players through here. If our division was not so weak and St Louis had played so abysmally, we would have finished 15 games outta 1st place.

And unless you blame Narron for these stupid contract extensions, it falls squarely on Krivskys shoulders. MY God man ... Cormier, Stanton, Freel, Coffey etc..that ain't smart

Quit analyzing individual players and potential trades, this team needs a complete overhaul

Again..it isn't just pitching... these clowns cannot hit with men on base

Its the makeup and chemistry of the team. Frankly...its terrible

at 12:20 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't agree that Krivsky did a good job last year. It wasn't so much that he traded Kearns and Lopez, it's that he thought last years team, and this years team could actually compete and win. Further, anyone who references Tom Glavine ( a control pitcher) when discussing Homer Bailey's (a power pitcher) lack of velocity can really only be regarded as someone who doesn't understand the game.

All that said, the point of my post is that the focus should not be on Junior, who is having a great season. Everyone has a bad game from time to time.

The focus of discussion should be on the person who assembled the team.

at 12:21 PM Blogger LEE said...

Why is Todd Coffey still on any major league roster?

at 12:28 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The fact is the Reds don't contend in the weak division without Arroyo, Phillips, Hatteberg and Ross -- all players Krivsky got after a late start.

Krivsky had a lot of work to do last year. Tony Womack was the starting second baseman. Dave Williams was in the rotation. Chris Hammond was the eighth inning guy.

He got the team competitive. He didn't get in over the top.

at 12:31 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krivsky did nothing last year except run dozens of players through here. If our division was not so weak and St Louis had played so abysmally, we would have finished 15 games outta 1st place. Competitive?

Whats our record now John?

at 1:16 PM Anonymous jc said...

i referenced glavine when talking about bailey.... along with smoltz, clemens and maddux. it was about patience. i understand the game. i also read for comprehension. "no child left behind" as you well know. obvious now that bailey not 100%. coofey a disaster all yar. i thought we bailed on mcbeth too quickly. also salmon. i still dont trade griffey or dunn. the starting eight with hamilton and not freel is close to being a good squad. injuries to majewski, bray and guardado has hurt badly. you have little wiggle room with a mid market club. two weeks ago i wanted to stick with lohse.... cant do that anymore. not for $4 million. livingston and bailey have done a good job for rooks. gonzalez has hit well... fielded poorly.... but obviously is distracted by his childs illness. still want them to interview valentine along with macha when the time comes.

at 3:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John is right. So far, Krivsky has done a good job with the exception of a few moves (all GMs have some of these). Phillips, Arroyo, Hamilton, Burton, Hatteberg are all excellent acquisitions. Narron, Dave Williams, Tony Womack are all good riddances.

Cormier had a very low ERA when he was traded for, leading the NL in fact. It's still unclear why he was let go after only a couple innings this year. Stanton has a good track record and his ERA last year was 3.9 I believe. Coffey was 3.65 last year. No way to predict these guys being bad, and it's time to consider the pitching coach.

at 3:08 PM Blogger John Fay said...

I think Krivsky is at a critical juncture. The trade deadline is a time to improve a team in the situation the Reds are in. What he does from here to July 31 will help shape the Reds for next year.

at 4:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree. I think this Florida series hurt him big time. The bullpen is his creation. He made the deal last year with Bray nad Majejski which hasnt created any wins, signed Cormier, Signed Stanton,singed Coffey to a million+ extension, signed Saarloss, signed Santos, and got Burton off of Rule 5. Its not all Narron's fault, but he was in over his head and not respected and he's not hte guy to lead the club. They need to free up payroll so they can buy a bullpen. Young guns may work on offense, but if you look around, good pitching staffs are experienced. they need to spend some money on some quality arms and get their young pitchers started on their learning curve....Bailey/Livingston/Cueto/Dumatrait. I hear people saying Bailey isnt ready....you have to learn on the job....You just dont bring up a Cy Young award winner.They develop into it! Still think Jeff Brantley,Marty Brennamen and Thom Brennamen's job is to call what they see...and they are doing exactly that !!!...They are an asset and all three know what good baseball looks like. Just because some Reds fans cant handle the truth is no reason to shoot the messenger. Thom has called the World Series and Games of the week for Fox, Brantley has been there and is more qualified than anyone to call-out Coffey, and Marty is an institution. I think Krivsky is in hot water and I wouldnt have said that two months ago.

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