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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Monday, February 18, 2008

The surprise guy?

Dusty Baker is hopeing the Reds can count on someone no one is currently counting on.

“You’re always looking for that surprise player,” Baker said.

Josh Roenicke, the 25-year-old right-hander, could be that guy. Roenicke has a major league pedigree and a 98 mph fastball.

Roenicke the son of Gary Roenicke and the nephew of Ron, both of whom played in the majors. Josh played football and baseball at UCLA. He was an outfielder for Bruins who they evantually turned to close, so he relatively new to pitching.

Roenicke is a long shot to make the club. He only has 19 games above the Single-A level. But he was dominant last year: A combined 3-2, with 2.31 ERA and 24 saves at Single-A Sarasota and Double-A Chattanooga. He was better after the promotion: 1-1 with 0.95 ERA.

This is Roenicke’s first big league camp. The Reds took him in the 10th round of the 2006 draft.

“I’m here more for the experience,” he said. “My dad told me to make it hard for them (to send me out). It should be fun.”


at 11:13 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet Baker cant wait to ruin that young arm.

at 11:17 AM Anonymous Red Faced said...

With all the pitching talent we have about to hit the scene this year I would not be surprised to see The Surprise Guy come from this group.

My vote would be for Cueto. I think he could be our ace for a number of years and when he gets the chance this year, whether it be to start the season or mid season, he will make a splash.

at 11:30 AM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

Guy throws hard. And he's not getting any younger.

at 11:33 AM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

In other news....Bret Boone signs a minor league deal with nats. Adaboy Jimmy B.

at 11:34 AM Blogger ISU Bob said...


Great job with the updates. I have been following the Reds for years and I don't remember a crop of young pitchers like this at camp. Is this the best group of young arms you have seen with the Reds?


at 11:40 AM Blogger MarkinMusicity said...

Josh Roenicke, eh?
Good pedigree...

at 11:42 AM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

I'm thinking Cueto is a closer of the future.

I'm also thinking a guy who is a late convert to pitching who throws 98 is really Coutlangus in disguise--no secondary "out" pitch, little fastball movement, spotty control, hittable in the bigs.

I'm additionally thinking Five Guys burger and bag-o-fries for lunch. Who's in?

at 11:59 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Redlegs, Cueto furture closer? Out of all the pitching prospects he is actually the one who shows the best stuff right now from a starter standpoint with 4 above average pitches and excellent ocntrol, not to mentioned he has the most stamina out of all of them pitching the most innings last year between the minors and winter ball, upwards of 180 i believe. If were trying to figure who does out of the pitchers looks like the one who could be a closer I would say Volquez, with his electric fastball and absolutly filthy change.

at 12:19 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Could be, Nasty. Could be.

I keep looking at Cueto's stuff, build and durability, and I keep thinking of Righetti, Flash Gordon and Smoltz.

Yes, Righetti was bigger, Gordon had fewer pitches and Smoltz had elbow issues. But they all had the electric stuff and by moving to closer it actually made their teams better.

I'm just saying that when Cordero's contract expires in four years (or if he's traded sooner), if I had to pick one guy who might step in and deliever the hammer at the end of games, Cueto could be the dude.

Volquez? Don't think we know enough about him yet. Could be right.

at 12:48 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

mr. redlegs, lets remember that coutlangus had a sub-4 era until they sent him to AAA. Sure he wasn't fantastic but still one of the better relievers of the first half. As for comments about Roenicke being another Coutlangus...lets let time decide that, both really haven't yet had the opportunity to prove if they are good or bad.
...heck, Trevor Hoffman was a convert to the pitching ranks after he was already in the minors and he is considered by many the greatest closer ever.

at 1:58 PM Anonymous redsfanwoody said...

Yeah I think first the Reds needto find out if he can be a dependable starter.

Sometimes I think too much is put into the size/weight of pitchers. Either you have it or you don't

Two with the signing of Cordero, the closer role(in theory) is set for the next four years.

Roenicke to me is closer to a Burton than a Coutlangus.

at 2:10 PM Anonymous redfuture said...

I agree with kjbnastynati a bit on Cueto, because he has the best command of the group. If Volquez doesn't get his strike percentage up from 55% to 60% I believe he will be destined for the bullpen. He looks a lot like Francisco Cordero out there on the mound. Edinson leans over and dangles his right arm exactly the same way. My sleeper will have to be Tyler Pelland expecially with Bray on the fritz.

at 5:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the trade. Roenicke for Blanton, even up. The Reds have $42 million in Cordero. There is no room for Roenicke. Maybe he is the best, but we go with the money.

at 8:09 PM Anonymous mikec said...

I hope that's a typo in that quote.

My dad told me to hard them? That sounds dirty.

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