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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Friday, March 28, 2008

Reds cut 3

The Reds optioned Bill Bray to Louisville, re-assigned Andy Phillips to the minor league camp, and returned Jose Cappellan to the Red Sox.


at 10:17 AM Blogger ArGee said...

Louisville just might have a better team than the Reds.

at 10:17 AM Blogger ArGee said...

Louisville might just have a team better than the Reds.

at 10:22 AM Blogger cincikid said...

Bray and Phillips had good springs. Cappellan seems like a waste of money. I think that if they do trade Freel it will be selling low. Unless they can put together a package for some decent prospects. I don't think that most teams are willing to trade away anything of great value this close to Opening Day.

at 10:27 AM Blogger LUVTHEREDS said...

After such a great spring why'd they option Bray? Was he still having problems with his shoulder?

at 10:27 AM Blogger Jack in St. Louis said...

I guess Bray would have had to give up zero runs for the Spring to make it. But, Stanton can get lit up every time out there, and he makes the cut. And, we wonder why the Reds struggle with their bullpen?

at 10:37 AM Blogger Red Faced said...

I thought Bray might just make the cut but I guess someone's bloated contract pushed him to AAA instead. Hopefully he'll continue to pitch well and will be back very soon.

at 10:45 AM Blogger Bengal43 said...

I guess that Stanton won't be traded to Philly. Have you heard any rumors on Hatteburg?

at 10:46 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Andy Phillips is a bad cut.

at 10:48 AM Blogger Steve said...

Bray will return shortly. We're crossing our fingers Stanton and Merker hold up past June. Health and performance-wise!

at 10:55 AM Blogger Red Faced said...

John, is it correct that Andy Green was reassigned yesterday as well? Does this get our number down to 31 now?

Thank you sir.

at 11:05 AM Blogger dwr said...

Note that Jerry Hairston hasn't been cut yet and is batting lead-off today. Hey Dusty, here's a heads up - Hairston, not nearly as good as Andy Phillips, not even close. You wanna talk back of the baseball card? In 2006 Hairson hit .206 and last year he hit .189. Phillips hit .292 last year. Everything the hated Cub fan has said about Dusty appears to be true.

at 11:05 AM Blogger KingsPoint said...

Baker's not the only fool to manage a Major League Ballclub...Mercker over Bray, Patterson over anybody, (the bad) Castro over anybody...Per Rotoworld this morning:.....Manager Ron Gardenhire said Thursday that he hasn't decided whether Jason Kubel or Craig Monroe will be the Twins' Opening Day designated hitter.

And so it begins. Kubel posted a 785 OPS last season, batting .303/.379/.511 in the second half. Meanwhile, Monroe hit .219 with a 638 OPS. Any at-bat that Kubel loses to Monroe against a right-handed pitcher is a mistake and the Twins face righty Jered Weaver on Opening Day. Gardenhire showed last season that he was unwilling to simply stick Kubel in the lineup every day and now that he has one of his beloved mediocre veterans as an alternative it'll be even easier for him to bench one of the team's best hitters.

at 11:17 AM Blogger ArGee said...

I really don't understand the thinking that just because a guy has a fat contract, he's gotta play. In business it is called a sunk cost. They are going to pay Stanton whether he pitches 100 innings or none. If they can't unload him to someone else, just suck it up and keep a better performer.

at 11:21 AM Blogger ArGee said...

I really don't understand the thinking that just because a guy has a fat contract, he's gotta play. In business it is called a sunk cost. They are going to pay Stanton whether he pitches 100 innings or none. If they can't unload him to someone else, just suck it up and keep a better performer.

at 11:30 AM Blogger outtatown tim said...

Cappellan didn't cost the Reds a dime. It cost 25,000 to claim him from waivers and they will get 25,000 back from the Red Sox when they return him.

at 11:32 AM Blogger Scott Stoffel said...

What a disappointment. Bray would be fantastic in middle relief. How many games will Stanton cost the Reds before they eat his salary?

at 11:37 AM Blogger Matt said...

It must be stated how great the scouting has been on the non-roster invites and waiver claims. Deserving candidates based on spring performance include:

A. Phillips
Drew Anderson #1

throw in Rosales and Gil and it shows how good of a job the Reds did at bringing in quality people at low cost. Most of these guys have surpassed their expected numbers, albeit in spring training. The scouting was good. It would be fun to watch the Reds play the Bats for a couple weeks. The Bats lineup with DH might be:

Cabrera or Rosales
A. Phillips
D. Anderson

There's a good mix of steady hitters and high ceiling guys. The concern I have is that while these non-roster players have earned respect, they shouldn't be holding up guys like Rosales, Michael Griffin, and maybe Dorn or Valaika if they make a strong showing this year.

at 11:44 AM Blogger cincikid said...

My bad outatown.
I thought wrong.

at 12:04 PM Blogger Ron said...

I share in everyone's frustration over the recent roster cuts. I really thought Andy Phillips earned a spot.
It appears that Dusty leans toward guys that have played for him before.
As far as Stanton goes, I would have taken Wes Helms in a trade to simply open up a spot in the bullpen for someone more deserving.

at 12:05 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

The Amazing Krivsky is already being touted by the so called experts as the first GM to be fired this season. Keeping guys like Stanton, Freel, Hairston and Castro will make this come true sooner than later.

at 12:21 PM Blogger kevin in west lafayette said...

Is Lincoln still on the bubble?

at 12:21 PM Blogger Dawg Pound said...

Probably about the same amount of games Milton did. That would be my guess.

Oh, and why can't I get an account for the forums? I created a username and password, used a legit e-mail address and have been patiently awaiting my confirmation e-mail since LAST THURSDAY!!!!!

I tried to post yesterday, and it said unknown username and password.

So I go to recreate the account. It says "That username and password already exists."


at 12:23 PM Blogger kevin in west lafayette said...

I think its possible they could go with another righty if he were good enough or if they could swing a trade...that said... I'm not so sure that Bray would be that much better than Stanton... lets keep both if we can.

at 12:25 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ding dong, the big fat washed up witch is dead!

See ya Stanton.

Nice job Krivsky, overpaying that slob!

I guess this post will never see the light of day but for $3 million this year and $500,000 next year, we fans ought to be able to call Stanton whatever we want.


The Reds are now MUCH closer to getting back to .500

at 12:29 PM Blogger Rob Dicken said...

Kingspoint, I've seen you post in 3 separate blog posts about how Dusty Baker is a terrible manager...quit already! You're getting as bad as JackBlueAsh with Keppinger and Josh Hamilton, and it's just as annoying.

You may think Dusty Baker is a bad manager, but his track record states otherwise. Just stop with it already!




at 12:32 PM Blogger Dawg Pound said...

Probably about the same amount of games Milton did. That would be my guess.

Oh, and why can't I get an account for the forums? I created a username and password, used a legit e-mail address and have been patiently awaiting my confirmation e-mail since LAST THURSDAY!!!!!

I tried to post yesterday, and it said unknown username and password.

So I go to recreate the account. It says "That username and password already exists."


at 12:33 PM Blogger Nathan said...

It would seem that Stanton won't be costing the Reds any games this year...


at 12:44 PM Blogger Stan said...

The ONLY bright spot I could see to these cuts is that the veterans they kept, could be worth a LITTLE something in a few weeks if they perform some what well. Even if the Reds have to eat the salaries, maybe get a low prospect in return.

Maybe just wishful thinking.

Nothing can be decided about Baker or Krivsky until their decisions play out for awhile.

at 12:47 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

Eating Stanton's contract is the best 3.5 mil this team could spend right now.

Just to show you how much I'm in support of the move and the team for making it, I vow to spend more at the ballpark each of the 21 games I have tickets for and I'll buy a few extra tickets also to help offset the cost. Hey it's the least I can do.

at 12:49 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

John, not entirely how the waiver system works. If Stanton is released and is picked up by another team then do they pay part of his salary?

at 12:53 PM Blogger Bengal43 said...

Does that mean Belisle makes it in the bullpen?

at 12:55 PM Blogger Winnetka Badaonkadonkeur said...

I don't get it. Option Bray and cut Stanton. Who is taking that spot?

at 1:04 PM Blogger ArGee said...

Dawg Pound:

There is something seriously wrong with the forum registration. I have the same problem. Can't get the system to send me a password. I had no problem with the Reds Newsletter so I can't believe that my computer is blocking some cookie. If anyone out there knows whats up, I'd appreciate it.

at 1:08 PM Blogger Bengal43 said...

Am I the only one not sure that Hopper will make the team?

at 1:09 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Great post Matt on the AAA Reds er Bats. That would be fun. You mention the postive roster moves by Wayne and I agree Matt

the rest of the posts here about the cuts crack me up. The Wayne bashers only talk about bit pieces that Wayne has brought in to cobble together the team.
Critics of Phillips? nope. Burton? nope. Hamilton? nope, well ok, some that we should not have traded him.

Those are 3 huge pieces that cost nothing. Haven't even mentioned Keppinger yet.

at 1:21 PM Blogger cincikid said...

I don't understand why cut Stanton instead of trading him. Apparently Phillies offered Wes Helms as a contract swap but the Reds declined (Per Hal McCoy).

at 1:26 PM Blogger Exiled No More said...

Um, why did they option Bray if they were going to cut Stanton? If you assume Cordero, Weathers, Burton and Coffee make the team, does this mean Belisle (who I assumed was hurt and likely to start the year on the DL) is instead getting slotted for long relief? How else can this thing play out?

at 1:35 PM Blogger IndyCat said...

So, that means that Mercker made the team. Who gets the last relief spot? Is it Belisle? Or Mike Lincoln? Brower is still around, but I can't imagine it's him.

The Reds need to make space for Cueto and Mercker on the 40-man roster. If I counted correctly, they 39 players on the roster. Cutting Stanton gives them 38. Does Livingston count, since he's on the 60-day DL? If not, that's 37, and they can add Lincoln no problem.

Maybe there's a deal coming for a pitcher??

at 1:41 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

"Good Throw would have got him" says Marty. Granted, we can only take Marty's word for it but he is usually pretty good when criticizing the Reds (like Adam's baserunning

I know the blog wants Keppinger to be a ML Shortstop, and that spring training stats (.952 FP) mean nothing, or that he doesn't have the arm for 150 games @ SS like he was exposed today, or on Monday with the Phillips DP toss.

I know the fans of Keppinger's defensive @ SS want Castro cut, but that is exactly why Castro will be on the team all year. CASTRO IS a ML SS.

Keppinger will be best playing the Ryan Freel Role, many games at multiple positions (I can see him playing 10 games at each): SS, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, LF

at 1:53 PM Blogger BATSFAN said...

I agree with argee, the bats are going to be so good this year

at 1:57 PM Blogger kevin in west lafayette said...

I think Lincoln's our man!...or an extra catcher...

at 2:04 PM Blogger kgriz said...

Stanton being cut sure doesn't break my heart. I definitely didn't expect Mercker to be back in the fold this year, that's for sure.

at 2:14 PM Blogger outtatown tim said...

I think its funny (in a sad way) the number of people that ASSUMED that Stanton would make the team, and bi***ed and moaned about it. Look back at the beginning posts here. I wish people would just let things play out ..... then complain about it if you dont like it. There is a big difference between saying -- "I hope he doesnt make the team" and "I cant believe he made the team, they are incompetent and need to be fired".

at 2:19 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Roids is gone,Yippiee!!!!

This is a statement from the Brass.If your no good.beat it.

I had the same problem on the Reds message board,Cookies not enabled.Emailed tech. support & never recieved any feedback,pretty lame.

at 2:19 PM Blogger TommyElf said...

Outatown Tim:

Actually...you're quite wrong. Capellan cost the Reds $25k for that "tryout"...

"To prevent excessive turnover in the minor league levels, each draftee costs $50,000. If the draftee does not stay on the selecting team's 25-man (major league) roster all season, the player must be offered back to his original team at half-price. Organizations may also draft players from AA or lower to play for their AAA affiliates (for $12,000) and may draft players from A teams or lower to play for their AA affiliates (for $4,000)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_5

at 2:19 PM Blogger Emilio said...

I hope that you all had a great Easter Holiday!

John...great job keeping all of us informed throughout Spring Training. I'm sure that we all appreciate the hard work you do.\

When is Cueto slated to pitch again? I expected him to go this afternoon, but when I dialed up the game on my computer I saw Weathers pitching in the 3rd inning of a 1-0 game. I have been working non-stop without a day off from The Golf Channel in two weeks so I blacked out and missed the firt two innings.

at 7:53 PM Blogger KingsPoint said...

Dicken, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to Baker. The majority of baseball fans in the U. S. think the same thing. Look at my post at 10:05 a.m. here...I stated that Bray was being sent down because of Mercker while everyone else was saying it was for Stanton. A few hours later, what happens? Stanton gets the axe. So what if I posted a few times that Baker is clueless. Now you know how I feel about him. Krivsky couldn't be judged until 3 years have passed in order to evaluate what he does with the organization. So far, he's heading towards a "A-" on a scale of A-F, as he's putting the team in a direction for an NL Pennant in 2009 one deal at a time, while keeping intact the best players in the minor league system, keeping the ones that his predecessor obtained, and added several more through trades. We're still waiting to judge his draft picks, but after this summer we'll have a much better idea of that, too.

Walt Jockety is another set of eyes and he can only help. Baker, though is a detriment, and a good General Manager can learn how to get the best of anybody, even Baker. Mayber Baker will blossom under Krivsky as many other players have who've resurrected themselves (Junior, Keppinger, Phillips, Hamilton, Arroyo, Weathers, David Ross, Hopper, and others).

at 8:00 PM Blogger KingsPoint said...

About Junior...600 is special. No RED has ever come close to that. So what if he's the worst Right Fielder Defensively in the National League. It doesn't matter. The electricity he brings to the ballpark is witnessed by millions this year who'll watch him on TV and in the different Parks around the League. I'm proud he's a RED and still has at least one more very good year at the plate in him, if not two or three more. If he feels as good as he says he feels, he could hit 40+ homeruns, and then it gets really interesting in 2009 to see where he ends up.

When was the last time the REDS sold out 81 games?...when a ticket in your hand made other people envious?...when the hours couldn't go by fast enough between games?

That's what REDS' fans could be looking at in 2009.

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