Reds Insider: Brewers win; Weathers update

Saturday, April 19, 2008

Brewers win; Weathers update

David Weathers hurt his arm and is getting an MRI later today. Brewers win 5-3 in 10 innings.

Update: An MRI this evening was normal. He is day-to-day.

40 Comments:

at 5:13 PM

Cheviot Sports Authority said...

I sure hope The Amazing Krivsky brings us some more Baker Boys.

Just heard that Wayne Krivsky and Dusty Baker do talk on a daily basis. WOW! I'll bet thats like a conversation between Mo and Curly.
St CSA

at 5:15 PM

BATSFAN said...

Heres what I would do. first off tell Dunn you are a bench player to you prove yourself otherwise, send down EE, let freel play third and Hopper in left. Send down Todd Coffey, release Gary Majewski, call up Bill Bray. This team would be turned around so fast.

at 5:16 PM

REddlegg in Colorado said...

I'm ready for Walt to take over.The bottomline is WK's team doesn't get the job done.Tired of watching this game of the wait & see approach.If it keeps getting worse,the reds will be right where they where last season at this time.Out of it!!!!

This is 3 series in a row lost & all division rivals.Dusty is making some boneheaded moves to.I never liked the Dusty signing,but I knew it was a step up from Boone,Miley,& Narron.Now,I think some of the bloggers could do a better job than these tools.

But it goes deeper than that,It's the personnel.This team has so many holes,it's clear for a blind man to see.

I'm not a WK hater or anything like that,you will not see "Wake up Cincy,fire Wayne" but I'm starting to think this job is little more than he can handle.

Results,I want them now.Not next season,not the season after.Now.

BC, I hope feels the same way.

at 5:27 PM

LongTimeRedsFan said...

OK. I've been reading these blogs for a long time, but I've never posted a comment until now. But I've really had enough of what I've seen so far this year. What has Dusty changed? Nothing. We have the same issues we had last year. We have no middle relief, we can't hit, and have no bench. Jerry or Pete could have got us this far without paying DB millions. Who's running this team? DB? WK? WJ? BC? Or do they all have there thumbs up there ***? Come on, keep saying we'll break out of it soon. How many games out will we be before someone admits we brought the wrong players north. Why do we keep pitchers like TC and DW who do nothing but put runners on base. How is it possible that we have a team that our best pinch hitter is JV? And, finally, what is the pitching coach and hitting coach doing? Anything? Someone needs to step up and take charge or this season is doomed. It's already more than 10%over.

at 5:30 PM

Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Dusty & Wayne even more like Abbott & Costello.
ST CSA

at 5:54 PM

Unknown said...

EE does not need sent down. there are only a few things that i believe should happen... coffee to AAA, castro DFA, belisle in the rotation, harriston up to replace castro (he has played short in his career so i'm not worried about that...). 1/2 of the line up was right today... flipflop phillips & griffey... good job dusty! but we need to flipflop EE & dunn too... so our line up reads,

1. Hopper (please! he's a real lead off hitter
2. Kepp.
3. Phillips
4. Griff.
5. EE
6. Dunn
7. Votto
8. Bako (him getting tossed today was incredible! glad to see someone finally voice an opinion and show some passion!)
9. pitcher...

Patterson isn't and never will be a lead off hitter... i was willing to give him a shot, but he's proven he isn't going to make the nec. adjustments.

here we go... more line up shake-ups tomorrow?

Did anyone else here Marty go off on someone in the 1st inning too?

at 5:58 PM

charlie said...

I think it's too early to cash in the chips on the season. I mean, I'm not happy about the offense, either, but there are signs of life.

Edwin is fine and has been hitting much better in the last week. Dunn is going to be fine and there's no substantive reason to think otherwise.

Really, the only holes on the team are center/leadoff, fifth starter, and a bullpen spot. And Ryan Freel and Juan Castro seem awfully redundant on the roster.

If I had control of the team for a day, I would bring up Bruce, Bray, Belisle, and Bailey (Homer for the 'pen). Coffey, Castro, Freel, and Weathers (assuming he's headed to the DL) get sent out, and Patterson becomes the most expensive pinch runner in the league.

I for one am glad that (for once) the pitching looks good and the offense simply needs to come around.

at 6:04 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

I told everyone on this blog that this would be a year of minimal improvement and I was viciously attacked all winter long

You keep the same players ..you get the same results

Julie and I will just start sneaking up to the cheap seats, listen to Marty and watch the boats on the river like we did last year

at 6:05 PM

Anonymous said...

Would everyone just relax about the hitting...it will click soon. We need to hope the pitching stays solid. Benching Dunn is ridiculous...don't forget about his OB%...even the thought of Freel out there everyday makes me want to throw up. Remember...the Cubs are expected to win this division...they will choke somehow.

at 6:53 PM

NVreds said...

haha, man this game toys with fans as much as it toys with players.

We need to reeelaaaaxxx, that was a tough loss, but just think what everyone would be saying if we won. we havent even hit the 25% percent margin yet there are a ton of games left. I for one don't care how the team ends up, because they will still provide me endless entertainment all summer. This was the 1st loss I enjoyed watching this yr, they happen half the time to every team might as well enjoy them. watching dusty pacing in the dugout mad as h_ll was very entertaining. if the team continues to lose, I'm not going to go nuts over, thats not enjoyable, plus then we can justify the fire sale this team needs (according to all the fans, myself included).

the thing i love about people bashing WK is the fact that they forget about the guy writing the checks. hiring a big-name manager was probably bob's idea, and i bet he's been behind a ton of the signings. He has to make the decision sign the check to pay these guys, its not all WKs fault! if you want him fired, well thats another baseball mind the front office we'll lose, and we overlook the good things he's done for the club (bob hasn't, by the way). Stanton's 3.5 mil who cares?!?, look at the dodgers with pierre/jones, look at the giants with zito, the orioles DFA'd somebody owed $12mil this offseason, i think someone else had to cut someone owed $9 mil. bad trades happen all the time, and we harp on kriv for a nothing for nothing trade (the lopez/kearns deal)& the throw in player may end up being something. he didnt trade casey for williams, he didnt sign eric milton, and he didnt bolt from the team when the going got tough like old leather pants did. point is we trash this guy for not taking a really bad team and turning them into a winner immeadiately? are you serious, its not easy to make a winning mlb team, DUH!

if he gets fired, its pretty cool we have a guy who can just step in, but personally i keep the man, he obviously knows what he's doing better than the nats GM, and the health of our farm system needs to be the 1st thing you look at when discussing kriv's success, not just the ML team.

its a looooong season, I've seen plenty of teams comeback from way worse than this.

at 6:54 PM

NVreds said...

too bad stormy might go down for awhile, guess that makes belisle's roster move easier.

at 7:03 PM

Unknown said...

I know this is a Tracy Jones type comment and I normally wouldn't suggest doing this...but I've seen enough of Bill Hall completely owning the Reds. I think its time one of our pitchers step up and drill that guy with a fastball. If not that...just walk him and take your chances with their #6 or #7 hitter.

at 7:27 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

In light of Vottos performance, and with him having the highest BA and ratio of HR to Ab's I thaught I would copy and paste my post from the other day:

I think the reason BP has been pressing is because he is in the 3hole. He needs to be hitting for average, not being the man to drive everybody in. Leave that to the big boys. In the 2 hole BP can be BP and the home runs will come with it.

Kepp (OBP)
BP (hit 4 avg, stolen bases)
Votto (prot by Griff and goes off)
Griff (prot by Dunn and goes off)
Dunn (Donkey bein Donkey)
Patt / Hopp (bunt, sac, squeeze)
Freel 3b (whtever, just less E5's)
Bako (just enough)
P (try not to strike out)

at 7:29 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

One more thing, Dusty went back to his "A" lineup again today, and if its the "A" lineup after today, I will have serious doubts about ole DB.

at 7:31 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

Bako showed that he is a leader today. Great to do that for his young starter in a tough game.

at 7:37 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

Votto also has highest SLG

at 7:39 PM

Bogey said...

Hey guys cheer up tomorrow will be a great day. With D. Bush pitching the Brews are doing us a big favor. Great chance for our guys to get a few hits and pad the stats.

Any body who thinks this time will wake up and start hitting is absolutely dilusional. There are exactly two guys in this lineup that can handle a bat. Both are infielders. And one of them ain't playing second base. The rest are batting practice hitters using a pitching machine. See the ball and swing.

I've been following this team for 58 years. I have seen the good and the bad but right now is the ugly. I don't care who the GM is he will not be able to build a team here until Jr's and Dunn's salaries are off the books.

I get so sick watching this crap I want to vomit.

at 7:42 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

"I told everyone on this blog that this would be a year of minimal improvement and I was viciously attacked all winter long"

Your predictions were not the reason you had problems with other posters.

But alas, so far, it looks like you were right. I'm not giving up the ghost, but this ship is sinking fast.

at 7:44 PM

reaganspad said...

We can see why the Starters are Gonzales and Ross. Playing reserves can only get you so far even with improved pitching

We are clearly lacking the RH power that Gonzales and Ross bring. Add them in first before we send Votto and Cueto to Baltimore for DL Bedard.....

at 8:18 PM

BDDFC said...

ITS ALL SO SIMPLE
COFFEY SUCKS ..GONE
WEATHERS SUCKS ..GONE
CP SUCKS ..LAZYBOY
FOGG SUCKS ..GONE

BRUCE UP
BAILEY UP
BELISLE UP
RO-RO 5 TH SPOT AND SLIDING TOWARDS BULLPEN

Hopper L.O. CF

THE SEASON IS BEGINING TO SLIP AWAY EARLY.DO SOMETHING!

at 8:44 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

we need both Ross and Gonzalez back..they both bat around 70 points lower than Bako and Keppinger respectively and certainly will help this anemic offense

I know we all are salivating with the thought of Ross and his .203 average

Bako got thrown out of a game..that aint leadership..thats stupidity.

at 9:08 PM

Joe said...

Bailey's line tonight through 7 - 92 pitches 60 strikes 0 runs - 5 hits. I think he is making a good case for being brought up real soon. Bruce is 2 for 4 with a RBI. Belisle is up and Bray will be before too much longer.

There is hope. And there is a lot of season left. In a division where 85-90 wins keeps you in the post season hunt, it is far too early to give up on this team.

at 9:14 PM

THE Pokey Reese said...

first off, there needs to be some sort of limit on how many times a poster can reference someone or something by their/its initials.

that being said, AD is paid to drive in runs, not to have a good OBP because of BB's. him B on B-ing every other AB is nice, but having him on base isn't exactly like having CP or NH on base. then again, having CP or NH at the plate is nothing like having AD at bat. so it seems the redlegs need a guy or two that are somewhat in between. a guy that can hit for a decent AVG, has a little pop, and also can go from 2B to home on a single to CF. like JB for example, or JV. plugging in RF at 3B every night won't be good for anyone. neither would NH in LF. it's all about a certain player's role and how it fits in. and right now, nobody knows their role or how it fits.

at 9:18 PM

Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Anyone know what Josh Hamilton did tonight (Saturday)?
St CSA

at 10:01 PM

Todd McElmurray said...

Bill Hall beats the Reds with his bat . . . gee didn't see that one coming!?! How many times do we let this guy kill us? We are basically looking at the same team (albeit slightly better pitching) and are well establishing ourselves to lock up fourth place.

Congratulations everyone, just the start we were all hoping for! I'm already looking for next years hot stove when we can debate who will replace Griffey, Dunn and EE (I hope, they better).

Good times . . .

at 10:19 PM

NVreds said...

----"I told everyone on this blog that this would be a year of minimal improvement and I was viciously attacked all winter long"

Your predictions were not the reason you had problems with other posters.----

i thought the exact same thing when i read that.

at 10:31 PM

redsfan8557 said...

Jack, are you patting yourself on the back? Mabe you are right but some Real Reds fans like to stay postive

at 10:43 PM

gonz said...

I was at the ballpark today and all I can say is that Weathers' "injury" reminded me of Rodney Dangerfield at the end of Caddyshack. "Ow. My arm."

at 11:00 PM

24/7 said...

all this waffling and gloating is disgusting. last year's team april to june played the worst baseball of any reds team i've ever seen, and they STILL were 6 out in august. the starting pitching has been good despite 2 of the guys doing absolutely nothing, and the pen could be bolstered but it's still been good. even if he's fine, i hope they make up an "injury" to stormy because he's not getting it done right now and it has hurt the team in the games they have charged back late. i think this team is fine, especially with ross, gonzales, bailey, bruce and bray not even in the picture yet. all of the pieces of need for the reds are accessible, or will be for a reasonable price. give this some time to play out.

at 11:49 PM

Jon Bachmeyer said...

wayne doesn't swing a bat or throw a pitch. leave him out of the discussion. Dusty puts his guys in a position to succeed and they fail.

ITS ON THE PLAYERS TO PERFORM.

When did we get away from that thinking?

That said, I do think Patterson will be a bust, unfortunately, and the sooner Hopper plays 5 days a week, the sooner we start generating runs.

at 12:16 AM

Anonymous said...

This team teased us after the 6-4 start.

We were ready to Christen them as the saviors.

However, they have all sunken back into their career norms.

Patterson is going to hit .230-.270, and his OBP will be less than .290

Far inferior than even the worst of leadoff hitters.

Far inferior than ANY player on ANY winning team.

Patterson was brought in solely because of Dusty Baker, and shows why Dusty will not be successful.

Did anyone catch the quote of why Dusty went with Patterson yesterday? 0-14 but the law of averages says he will get a hit.
Not what I learned in stats class.

Is it really that hard to find a competent manager?

Why do we have to settle for someone that's "been around"?

I don't care if Dusty's been to the playoffs. He hasn't been successful in modern baseball. There is a reason he was run out of town in Chicago.

He is STUPID, and it's ridiculous. His biases get in the way of (the little) logic he has.

at 1:16 AM

John said...

Do they not have a scouting report on how to pitch to him? You'd think after something like 20 career homers and what, 50 RBI since 2003, plus a lifetime avg. of something like 1.500, they'd figure out a way to get him out.

If not, I'm all for drilling him. He doesn't own the plate, but for some reason, Reds pitchers seem to give him meat pitches all the time.

Then again, they give meat pitches to pretty much everyone...

at 8:13 AM

Tino Delgato said...

The Reds are off to their annual .500 start with the offense doing the most of the struggling. Pitching has improved but with little run support the Reds are not an interesting team to watch. I read Sunday’s Enquirer column on the Reds’ salary strapped problems and can not help but ask the following: Last year one of our most exciting players to watch was rookie Josh Hamilton. He was a bona fide FIVE tool player. He was our best outfielder and one of our best hitters with power, defense and speed. We resigned Adam Dunn (option 13 million plus) and traded Hamilton $ 350,000 for a potentially good pitcher. Josh is hitting his usual .300 with 10 extra base hits for Texas. We passed over free agent Kyle Lohse who signed for 4.3 million with first place St. Louis. He is undefeated with an ERA below 2.00. Next year when Dunn and Griffey Jr. are gone we could have had Hamilton and Jay Bruce for the next 10 years. I know look forward to the Bengals draft this Saturday. Go Figure!!!

at 8:14 AM

Cheviot Sports Authority said...

I see where ex-Red, right handed hitting Jorge Cantu had 3 more hits last night.
St CSA

at 8:38 AM

Unknown said...

Amazing that the early season koolaid drinkers are ready to throw the players they were raving about at the beginning of the season under the bus now. This team is right about where I thought they would be when the Reds broke camp in Florida. I said fourth best in the division then and nothing has changed. No answer against left handed starting pitching, too many players in the starting lineup trying to hit home runs for the big $$$ contracts. Dusty needs to shelve the left/right lineup and try to put the hot bats back to back. EE & Dunn back to back kills every rally the Reds are fortunate to start. The only good thing about having depth is if the depth is producing and/or coveted by other teams. Beyond the kids in the lineup and at Louisville the Reds have no other tradeable commodities that any other major league team would want. I don't see ownership eating any more contracts. The team will live and die with what we have here and in the minors. 78-84, fourth place behind the Cardinals, Brewers, and Cubs but an improved team over last year. Fire sale prediction for trade deadline this year will be Dunn and Arroyo. Jr stays for the full year and the Reds pick up his option for next year. Bruce will go the left field after Dunn is traded.

at 9:03 AM

Unknown said...

It's early everyone. Don't throw the panic switch already.

However, Krivsky has to move more quickly than he did with the pen last year.

Really, the Reds need to do two things. Send Coffey down and replace him with Bray or a righty reliever or I guess if you have to Fogg.

And then juggle the bench so you have a righty with some power.

And it may not hurt to play with the lineup some because something isn't clicking right now.

at 9:41 AM

firefly118 said...

I have not posted in a while, mainly because a lot of you just would not listen. But, I thought it was about time to see where you are all at.

Most (not all) of you were on the EARLY band wagon, WELL, is it still early? Its only the first 20 games, wait till May, June, etc. Guess what, ain't happening!

I was scolding and told that I was just a negative fan, I AM NOT, I AM A REALIST THOUGH. I am a die hard Cincy fan, but even at that you have to be willing to be honest with yourself, "ADMITING YOUR TEAM HAS A PROBLEM IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE 12 STEP PROCESS".

JAY BRUCE should have broke camp and been the starting and everyday CF. I don't care about a game or two, Patterson is a guy no one else wanted, and although he is good to have on the bench for a runner or double switch, he is not a starter (contributor).

EDWIN ENCARNACION is about as clutch as an automatic car. Everyone was on the wagon after the first few games, but Cowboy was right, he isn't clutch, the only time he hits with runners in scoring position is when we are up 5 or 6 runs, not when we are down or tied (check the #'s). At this point though, no other options for third (make a trade).

DUNN will be gone by the trade deadline. I like Adam, but he isn't a very good hitter. Yeah, he can knock it to the river, but he can't be counted on when needed.

VOTTO, well enough said, he is the future!

FOGG, I tried to tell all of you! Affeldt has done better in the pen than I thought, but lost in the fog is horrible. He has done exactly what he has done his whole career, I am not sure why we brought him here.

POINT BEING: Krivsky needs to go! Baker is not as good of a manager as what everyone thought. And, when your payroll is 5th in your division, that is probably where you will finish.

WEATHERS AND FOGG shouldn't even be on this team. Belisle and Bailey should have filled those rolls. Patterson needs to be on the bench. Dunn, Encarnacion, Freel, and Hatteberg should be packaged and traded for younger more consistent players. AND PHILLIPS SHOULD BE THE LEAD OFF HITTER!

Right now the lineup should be

2B Phillips
SS Keppinger
LF Dunn
RF Griffey
1B Votto
CF Bruce
C Bako
3B Encarnacion
P Flavor of the Day

This would put every hitter in the situation they need to be in to get people on and get them in.

at 10:09 AM

Anonymous said...

hey John, do you think the Reds will call up Jay Bruce before the end of may?

at 10:13 AM

Matt-n-GT said...

New to the board and wanted to provide my proposed lineup/roster for discussion. I'm not an expert, just a lifelong fan. But, to my untrained eye:

1. Hopper - LF
2. Keppinger - SS
3. Griffey - RF
4. Phillips - 2B
5. Votto - 1B
6. Encarnacion - 3B
7. Bako - C
8. Freel - CF

That would be my lineup and they would play EVERYDAY. No platoons...

9. Harang
10. Cueto
11. Volquez
12. Arroyo
13. Belisle/Lehr/Bailey

I'd keep working on that 5th spot until one of the three caught fire...

14. Mercker
15. Affeldt
16. Bray
17. Burton
18. Lincoln
19. Cordero

20. Valentin
21. Ross
22. Hatteberg
23. Castro
24. Patterson
25. Hairston

at 11:35 AM

mredsnut said...

To Greg...I was at the game, but had the game on radio thru headset, and yes, I too heard Marty go off on someone in the background with an F-bomb or 2! I was like, whoa! Who's he giving it to so hard? He was really p'od at somebody! As for the team, until Dunn starts hitting more, I would have this lineup...Kepp leading off...Dunn hitting 2nd, Phillips 3rd, Griffey cleanup, Votto 5th, EE 6th, Patterson/Hopper 7th, and Bako/Valentin 8th. This way, with Dunn drawing walks and getting on base early in the lineup, at least him and Kepp might be on for the others to TRY to drive in! I know this lineup isnt the greatest, but Dunn isnt helping much hitting lower to drive in runs, so might as well take advantage of him getting on base with walks.

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Brewers win; Weathers update

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