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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Monday, July 23, 2007

Bowden and Dunn?

Howard Wilkinson passed this Ken Rosenthal item along to me about the Nationals trying to get Adam Dunn from the Reds:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7050210

Moving to Dunn to the Nats would show the Wayne Krivsky isn't gun shy after the eight-player trade with Washington last year. But I'd be surprised that the two clubs would get together with the Gary Majewski grievance still pending.

If the Reds do move Dunn, I think fans will be shocked by how little they get for him because of his contract.


22 Comments:

at 3:14 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the Reds do move Dunn, I think fans will be shocked by how little they get for him because of his contract.

It will show us how bad of a GM Krivsky is. He gave Dunn that contract and will likely not get what he should because of it.

 
at 3:22 PM Blogger Brad said...

Krivsky can't give Dunn to Leatherpants without getting Cordero, Zimmerman, or both back.

He won't go to the Nats. Of course, Krivsky might not make any moves if he knows he is just keeping the seat warm for Walt Jocketty.

 
at 3:33 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about Dunn and Encarnacion for Zimmerman, Rauch and a minor leaguer or two. Not getting Zimmerman for Dunn because of contracts. Not because of a Krivsky mistake, Zimmerman is cheap for awhile. Cpl Leatherpants loved Encarnacion. Rauch can bring it. Who knows?

 
at 3:34 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's this Walt Jocketty stuff?? St. Louis won't let him go and the Reds won't go after him because of their St. Louis ties. Besides.. Jocketty hasn't made stellar deals either.

 
at 3:47 PM Blogger Jaybee said...

Why would you do business with a person who has already screwed you once before on a deal? I would only do it if I could get Cordero, Zimmerman and Kearns and Dunn doesn't rework the contract. I like Dunn but if he's going to be gone, I want him to go to the AL where he can be successful as a DH and we won't have to face him in GABP.

JMO

 
at 4:05 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe Krivsky will get Kearns and Lopez back in an attempt to make up for that bad deal last year!

Service announcement: Please recognize sarcasm when you see it.

I don't think the Nats have enough to get a deal done. Reds would be better served by keeping Dunn, and if they truly want to trade him, try to do so this winter. At least then the taker will get a full year of Dunn. Moreover, if the Reds are not going to get fair return, then why trade him? Something sometimes equals nothing, not more than nothing. (See infamous trade last year).

In my opinion, the Reds should keep Dunn, sign him for 3-4 years, and surround him with complimentary players. No man is a team unto himself, and to the naysayers, let's see you replace his production with one player at less money.


Tom
Richmond,VA

 
at 4:10 PM Blogger daniel said...

John, I read in a recent Peter Gammons article that the Reds are unwilling to discuss trading Scott Hatteberg. Why would that be? Are they not as high on young Joey Votto as the fans of Cincinnati (and those who select All-Star, Futures Game, and Top-Prospect rosters) seem to be?

 
at 4:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW...Brad, you are obviously overvaluing Dunn. There is no way they will get Cordero, let alone Cordero and Zimmerman. I am simply amazed the lack of baseball knowledge in this city. You can't trade a 13 million dollar player for guys that are not arbitration eligible yet and have the upside that Cordero and Zimmerman do. Dunn is as good as gone and Krivsky will be lucky if he can get any useful player in return.

 
at 4:46 PM Blogger boobs said...

Adam Dunn from the Nationals to the Nationals? Mmmm... that would be juicy. Keep up keep the great work john!

 
at 4:55 PM Blogger Daedalus said...

Old leatherpants is just shooting his mouth off again. This deal will never happen.

It better not.

 
at 5:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It will show us how bad of a GM Krivsky is" - Anon

Didn't you read yesterday's Blog? Remember, Krivsky made the Reds "competitive".

 
at 6:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because of his contract, any trade for Dunn will be a bad one, so you keep him and pick up the option (or pick up the option and then trade him?).

Those of you who want Kearns back are bad at math and need to stay after school.

 
at 9:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY would the nATS want Dunn now?

 
at 8:21 AM Anonymous TGO said...

John, please explain "If the Reds do move Dunn, I think fans will be shocked by how little they get for him because of his contract." Aren't soon-to-be free agents the type of player involved in most deadline deals? Why would the Reds get less for Dunn than other comparable deadline deals?

 
at 9:50 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Soo... why would they trade Dunn for garbage prospects now, when they can get a 1st rounder as compensation if they let him walk in a year or two?

 
at 10:21 AM Blogger John Fay said...

I think there are a couple of reasons Dunn won't bring a lot if the Reds trade him: 1. His contract (a team is only getting him for two months, if he opts out); 2. Pitching is always the most sought after thing at the deadline; 3. Teams see his flaws, too.

In other words, The Nats aren't going to trade Zimmerman or Cordero for him.

 
at 11:20 AM Blogger Brad said...

Anon 3:42,

I think you misunderstood me, or I didn't clarify. I know that the Reds can't get either of those guys for Dunn. The point I was trying to make is that Leatherpants screwed the Reds last year, and will try to screw them again on any deal. If I was Krivsky, I would only deal him to Leatherpants for one of those guys or both. Any other team in the league, I wouldnt' demand anywhere near as much.

 
at 11:43 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should just hang on to him if we can't get crap for him.

 
at 12:29 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Why does anyone give any amount of attention to Ken Rosenthal? The guy is a hack! He has been spinning Dunn rumors now since 2003. He has no idea WHAT he is talking about. Remember when he said Danny Graves going to the NY Mets could markedly shift the power balance in the NL East? LOL, the guy is a bum. He also was extremely critical about the Reds DFA'ing Graves in the first place... gee Ken, yea we really regret that one! He has no clue. Pay no attention to him!

And while I am on the subject of writer's making inaccurate remarks: John, don't think I haven't forgotten your stinging criticism and hit piece vs. Jeff Weaver when I suggested the Reds take a look at him. Weaver dominated at GABP last year and was a key reason the Cardinals won the division and the world series.

 
at 12:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dunn and Bowden???? A match made in heaven. Neither one is worth their weight in salt.

As far as the article and comment by our manager about Keppinger, ""He does a lot of things well, but nothing exceptionally well". Here is a perfect example of "What the Hell" is wrong with the Reds. Not exceptional? No one on this club has had a year like Keppinger, Minors or Majors.

Not exceptional? I'll just hit 389 with little to no major league experience!!

Not exceptional? I'll play my position like a real pro day in and day out!!

Not exceptional? I'll be consistant, not a flash in the pan one day and suck the next like; Dunn, Freel, Encarnacion, and a host of others we have put up with over the years.

Not exceptional? Dogit running the bases like a fat cat, lazy-ass player like Griffey, but rather I'll play the game via the likes of Hatteburg, Conine, and other real pros who respect the game.

Not exceptional? Pete, Pete, Pete. This player would be just another player on some other teams, but on this team.........he is Red's HOF material !!!!!

Lets go Krivsky, get rid of dead weight.....Dunn, Griffey, Freel, Encarnacion, Stanton, and Coffey. Get what you can and count your blessings.

 
at 1:27 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Weaver went 8-14, 5.76 ERA last year and made about $8 million, as I recall. He's 2-8 with 6.19 this year and makes $8.3 million. Giving multi-year deals it guys with spotty results kills small market teams.

 
at 5:01 PM Anonymous TGO said...

John, your reasons don't seem to clarify your original comment until you get to #3
"1. His contract (a team is only getting him for two months, if he opts out)"
As per my original question, why would he fetch less than other comparable soon-to-be free agent deals?

"2. Pitching is always the most sought after thing at the deadline"

Even if that statement is true, why would he fetch less than other comparable soon-to-be free agent position player deadline deals?

"3. Teams see his flaws, too. "

This seems to be the center of your argument. Not his contract. You don't think the Reds would get much because you don't think he's worth much.

 
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