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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007

Coutlangus out, Majewski, Guardado up

You can start the Todd Coffey comments immediately:

From the Reds:

TODAY'S TRANSACTIONS: Today the Reds optioned to Louisville LHP Jon Coutlangus; placed on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Friday, IF/OF Ryan Freel (torn cartilage, right knee); recalled from Louisville RHP Gary Majewski; returned from a rehabilitation assignment and reinstated from the 60-day disabled list LHP Eddie Guardado (left elbow surgery, lower back); sent to Louisville on a rehabilitation assignment OF Josh Hamilton (sprained right wrist).

SURGERIES: IF Juan Castro today had season-ending "Tommy John" surgery to repair the torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow...he is expected to recover by the beginning of next season...the 90-minute procedure was performed by Reds medical director Dr. Tim Kremchek...IF/OF Ryan Freel tomorrow is scheduled to have arthroscopic surgery to repair torn cartilage in his right knee...a prognosis will be made following the surgery.


at 2:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

and Coffey and Stanton stay up here?


at 2:40 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will Bill Bray get a chance with the Reds this season?

at 2:42 PM Blogger kingseyeland said...


Coutlangus has been infinitely more effective than either Coffey or Gosling.

This is just ridiculous.

at 2:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

and Coffey stays?

and the band played on?

at 2:45 PM Anonymous Brendan T. said...

I'm boycotting this team until Coffey's gone or Griffey's sitting on 599. Congrats, Wayne!

at 2:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would Mr. Krivsky please explain why Cooter was sent down, please!? This makes no sense whatsever, and you're telling me this is the "change" that PM was looking for? I have heard that Mr. Krivsky was none too happy with PM for his comments about personnel after the last series. Why would PM even want to stay and manage this team when he and Mr. Krivksy are clearly not on the same page. For Coffey to remain on the "big club" after he recent performances is unfathonable and confirms my belief that Mr. Krivsky is "big-timing" PM. If I were PM, I would pitch Coffey and Gosling every day. It is so sad to this club become the laughingstock of scouts and other asst. gms around the league.

at 2:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am embarrassed to even say that I live in the same state where Krivsky last worked. Did Wayne get confused because Coffey and Contagous both start with a C?

A different thought - maybe the Reds should drop payroll significantly next year and use the savings to move the fences back 10 feet - not like they are selling out the existing seats.

at 2:46 PM Blogger Dan H said...

I'm nearly speechless! John, I'd be very interested to hear Krivsky's answer to "Why wasn't Coffey and his 6.04 ERA and poor inherented runners/scored ratio not sent down?" Amazing truly amazing!!

at 2:51 PM Blogger Dan H said...

The shock of Coffey staying hasn't worn off so I forgot to mention why Coutlangus and not Gosling for the lefty going to AAA. There must be something else to this story we're all missing.

at 2:53 PM Blogger kingseyeland said...

John, please grill Krivsky over this crazy move. And please get Mackanin's take on it as well. Please get to the bottom of this, because this move looks crazy right now. Please try to find out and let us know why.

at 2:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

13 man pitching staff and 8 in the pen, don't think this the end of the moves.

at 2:56 PM Blogger John Fay said...

I'm headed to the yard right now. I've got no clue why they did what they did. Coutlangus has walked way too many lately. But a walk is preferable to giving up a home run last time I checked.

Mackanin wasn't talking about Coutlangus when he said changes were coming.

at 3:00 PM Blogger Jon Coutlangus said...


He has walked a few too many, but look at hits allowed per inning and these stats....

Todd Coffey: 6.04 ERA
Mike Stanton: 5.03 ERA
Victor Santos: 4.50 ERA
Mike Gosling: 4.35 ERA

Jon Coutlangus: 3.93 ERA

*Jon Coutlangus' last 17 appearances
(Dating back to July 1):

10.1 IP, 8 H, 2 ER, 9K, 0HR

Jon Coutlangus has been the most steady and reliable option all year behind David Weathers. He hasn't been on the Louisville shuttle with Saarloos, Santos, Salmon, McBeth, Coffey, Gosling, and has been healthy unlike Stanton and Burton.

I also realize that under Pete Mackanin, Coutlangus has been used differently. I don't think Mackanin liked him as much. He was used in "pressure" situations and with the lead by Jerry Narron and under Pete, its been mostly mop up..

at 3:03 PM Blogger Jaybee said...

If I were Pete, I would look Krivsky and tell him, "If this is what you are going to do to me as a manager, you can TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT! It seemed pretty clear the other night that Pete was unhappy with having no viable option other than Coffey. I've been saying this since April - Coffey needs to be in AAA. The Reds ruined him when they tried to force him in to the closer role last year when he clearly wasn't ready, just as they ruined Graves by trying to make him a starter. Thank God the Bengals are getting ready to start.

at 3:05 PM Blogger kingseyeland said...

Trouble is, if Mackanin says changes are coming and he's referring to Coffey and Gosling (without mentioning their names), then Krivsky has to follow through on that. If he doesn't, what message does that send? That Mackanin will blow off steam in the press about underperforming personnel, and nothing will happen? That pitchers like Coffey and Gosling have a free pass?

I agree that Coutlangus has walked more than his share, but let's not forget that even with the BBs, his performance is one of the bright spots in that bullpen this year.

at 3:05 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is it possible that Coutlangus was sent down and Coffey was kept? Absolutely ridiculous.

I've been a Krivsky backer up until now, but this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. We need a new GM as well as a Manager.

Why is Krivsky so enthralled with Coffey? First he signed him to a new contract at a time when Coffey couldn't stand on the beach and toss the ball in the ocean. He's stuck with him most of the season, when he obviously can't pitch. And now this!!

This afternoon, opposing scouts all across the country must be rolling on the floor with laughter at the Reds and at Krivsky.

at 3:06 PM Anonymous jc said...

this is the strangest sequence of the year. i am sure that krivsky is not crazy about mackannin anymore. i think he got more than he bargained for. i never, ever dreamed that he would keep coffey up here. i don't think guardado is ready yet. his velocity is not where it was last year. i am sure that bray is very frustarted as is the cooter.
bobby valentine would not put up with this crap.
perhaps mark cuban will realize that the doors of the cubs are closed to him.

at 3:07 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

When the hell does Krivsky get sent out. This guy doesn't have a clue. The only reason Stanton and Coffey are still here is because some dumb ass gave them contract extensions. Who could that be?

at 3:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reds demote John Coutlangus and keep Todd Coffey?
Since the all-star break
Coutlangus: 12 games, 2.70 ERA.......1.08 in July (15 games)
Coffey: 10 games, 10.61 ERA........27.00 in August (1 inning)


at 3:23 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe since wayne knows the reds cant win anything this season hes trying to help the bats win and put the best players on the field there instead of trying to win in cincy

at 3:37 PM Blogger Doug Gray said...

Coutlangus has not walked a batter in his last 5 games.

at 3:42 PM Blogger Jim said...

Wayne Krivsky is hands down the worst GM in the Major Leagues. Coutlangus is not exactly Goose Gossage but he's a damm sight better than Todd Coffey or Mike Stanton. The problem is that Coffey and Stanton were signed by the Kriv for this year and next to the tune of about $5 million. Mr Castellini has already eaten Rheal Cormier's 2007 contract, my guess is Wayne won't ask him to eat another $5 million. Please get rid of this guy and bring someone competent (Jocketty) to run the club.

at 3:44 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am apalled to call myself a Reds fans ... Coutlangus has been the best lefthander on this team all season ... Maybe, just maybe, we are "showcasing" one of those two (because we know they will clear waivers) to get a A-ball pitcher and a PB&J sandwich

at 4:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know Coutlangus hasn't been effective for awhile and Mackanin hardly uses him, but huh? No reason to keep Coffey and Gosling up here, the only reason to move Coutlangus was to turn Stanton(probly with the hope that once, if he already hasn't, cleared waivers a team will take a flyer on him) into the situational lefty with Weathers in the set up role. But Coffey and Gosling should have been sent down also, which in my opinion means they have 3 days to have a good outing, and if not then when Hamilton's ready him and Bray come up with those two getting sent down.

at 4:21 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John- any merits to the idea that no deadline deals were made because Krivsky is going to be fired at the end of the season and Castellini forbade him from making any personnel/roster changes of consequence? I was a Krivsky supporter until his ignorant comments about Homer Bailey and how overrated a 97 mph fastball is.....suggesting that Tom Glavine doesnt need 97 mph to win games. How patronizing was that and how dumb does he think we are? Guess Bailey's 5 mph drop on the gun makes sense now, eh? Ya think Homer would bet the number one pitchign prospect in baseball if he maxed out at 92? Anyone seen Tim Lincecum dial it up at 96 mph lately? To suggest that velocity and a power arm is overrated as it applies to Homer Bailey is a patronizing insult to the Cincinnati fanbase and plain ignorant. Guess we know why Krivsky was an assistant for 25 years.

at 4:31 PM Blogger Ron said...

Before everyone hangs Krivsky for optioning Coutlangus, let's give him the benefit of some thought. Coutlangus is new to pitching. He was signed as an outfielder. He has had limited minor league experience. He needs some work on control in a situation in which he isn't going to get his brains beat out. He has options and he will be back in a month when rosters are expanded. In the meantime the Reds have an opportunity to determine if Guadardo has recovered from surgery and whether Majewski has regained his form.
Judge Krivsky on the team that is on the field in April not the moves that are made in August.

at 4:35 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...




at 5:22 PM Blogger Fred Sticklen said...

Wayne please tell us you have a POA&M. Let's get exposure for the Bray's, Bruce's and Votto's in order to get a good read on these guys. Therefore, making the necessary decisions in the off season to remake this roster of perennial losers. Lastly, just our luck Bob assembled a top notch announcing trio for a last place club. Mr. C. you may want to reassess your priorities this offseason!

at 5:35 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was released to the press at about 1:00 PM, and at 5:30 PM it is still not posted to the reds.com website. Are they afraid to let their fans know?

at 6:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coffey and Stanton stay. I can't think of one dam good reason these 2 guys should still be here. Apparently not doing your job has nothing to do with it. They should have been the first 2 out the door.

at 6:04 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

I'm embarrassed to be a Reds fan now. It makes no sense not to bring up Bray - who may have been our best reliever if not for his injury. But why, oh why must we suffer watching coffey throw batting practice. The only job he deserves is pitching in the homerun derby during the All-Star Break. Does this guy have some incriminating evidence on the ownership of something? Perhaps he is dating Krivsky's daughter or something? I can't wrap my logical brain around this non-move. Oh the agony. I'm going to stroke out......

at 6:21 PM Anonymous Short Round said...

Another Krivsky deal. He couldn't manage another Kearns/Lopez deal so he is trying to screw us by sending out the Cooter and keeping the Coffey. By the way, what ever happened with the grievance filed with MLB concerning Mejeswki's health before the Kearns/Lopez trade? Maybe this is Krivsky's way of taking the heat off for not doing anything about bending over and taking it from the Nationals.

at 6:30 PM Anonymous JC McCoy said...

Its money folks, its all about the money. He is not going to send out Coffey and Stanton because of the money they're being paid. Pro sports really sux.

at 6:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any way the Reds could bring in a donkey or a sheep to act as GM for the remainder of the season??? I'm pretty confident they will move this team in a better direction then Krivsky.

Krivsky is single-handedly setting this franchise back 5 years..... and considering they're already at the bottom, this can't get much more miserable.

Congrats Castellini! You sure have made Reds fans forget all about those horrid Carl Lindner days....... What a joke. You should be ashamed.

at 7:01 PM Anonymous Justin Fernandez said...

FINALLY, well-deserved outrage at Krivsky! He's a HORRIBLE GM.

I no longer support a return of Pete Mac....CONINE CLEANUP is D WORD D WORD D WORD!!!

This team's owner, GM, and manager are really PATHETIC.

No other team in baseball bats a washed up hitter with no power at CLEANUP. I don't care how nice Coni is, he's old, he's weak, and batting him cleanup is something NO TEAM WOULD DO, not even the Cards with their bat the pitcher 8th obsession.

at 9:04 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...


It sucks that Coffey and Stanton stay and Countlangus gets sent down. But is it possible that Krivisky is working on a trade(after Stanton and Coffey clear waivers)? I'm assuming that if he sends them down to the minors they would lose value. Its the only thing I can think of that makes sense. ???

at 9:05 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...


It sucks that Coffey and Stanton stay and Countlangus gets sent down. But is it possible that Krivisky is working on a trade(after Stanton and Coffey clear waivers)? I'm assuming that if he sends them down to the minors they would lose value. Its the only thing I can think of that makes sense. ???

at 9:25 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Stanton can't be sent down. As a veteran, he can refuse the assignment. As bad as he's been Coffey, I don't think Coffey would get through waivers.

So I don't think a potential trade had anything to do with it.

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