All the young arms
Most of the top young pitchers didn't throw until today. Homer Bailey, Edinson Volquez and Johnny Cueto all threw for the first time.
The one thing they all have in common is ball comes out easy and gets to the plate hard.
Javy Valentin caught Volquez, the right-hander the Reds got in the trade for Josh Hamilton.
"He needs to work on his offspeed stuff," Valentin said. "It was his first day. maybe he was trying to impress. But he's a got a good arm. His fastball moves. He's a good real live arm. That's what you need. Put him in the bullpen or whatever."
Josh Roenicke was as advertised. He throws as hard as anyone.
Adam Dunn, Brandon Phillips, Edwin Encarnacion are all in camp. Phillips is over the bout with the flu.
the reds will workout again tomorrow at 9:30 a.m.
posted by John Fay at 11:33 AM
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Post a Comment*What is up with Bowden's fetish with former red's employees?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3251437
I would have to think that Volquez was overthrowing or something trying to impress. I watched a game last year of his were he threw a fastball at 97 then came back with a change at 79-80 and the hitter(can't remember who) was completely bafaled looking like he had never played baseball in his life.
Hey John, how did Bailey look?
He looked good. A few pitches got away from him. But he's airing it out pretty good. He and Volquez looked to be throw at about the same velocity.
Is Maloney there also? I heard he's added a few miles per hour to his heater and his command was decent to begin with, so I'm cautiously optimistic. I am anxious to see if he's got decent enough stuff to be a number 2 or 3 starter or if he's just your run-of-the-mill 87-89 mph lefty who has to hit his spots to be successfull. We could really use a lefty in the rotation. I know John Sickles really likes Maloney for some reason, and he seems to be a pretty good talent evaluator.
John,
How about Cueto? If that ball is coming out free and easy, the team might be happy they didn't trade them away.
John,
Has anyone ever asked Dusty what he learned from the unfortunate paths of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior, and if so, what did Dusty say?
Thank you.
Fay is that title a Bowie reference? All the young dudes?
Yes, it was a Bowie reference.
Dusty addressed that when he got hired.
When I see or hear "velocity" used to describe the speed of a pitch my physics background always comes back. Velocity is a vector, meaning speed and direction define it. Now the magnitude of velocity is... speed!
I think the Reds have the team they need for 2008. No Blanton, no Lofton, and please no Patterson.
Realistically, the Reds aren't going to win in 2008.
So, play all of the young players and let them improve. This year needs to be about 2009 and 2010 as much as it is 2008.
If Bret Boone makes the Nats team, they will have 5 of 8 postion players who were former Reds. 1B Dimitri Young, 2B Bret Boone, SS Felipe Lopez, 3B Aaron Boone, RF Austin Kearns.
Bowden is not even trying anymore...
When I mentioned to Halthat the Nats has signed Bret Boone, he said: Is Matt next?
Its much to early to tell but "Put him in the bullpen, or whatever". doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement for a guy that we gave up Josh Hamilton for. Has Krivsky struck again?
I think Bowden is hot on the trail of Rueben Mateo,Melvin Nieves, and Tony Tarasco. Thinking he might have a "hoarding" mentality with former Reds players.
How da hell old is Bret Boone?
Chev, the 'put in the bullpen or whatever' probably says more about Javy the catcher than it does Edinson the pitcher.
Dont forget about the Nats having LF Wily Mo Pena and RP Ryan Wagner. It looks like Bowden just wants to reaquire all the pieces of Cincy teams that lost 90+ games. I can't believe the man still has a job, continues to bring in the same guys that he couldn't win with years ago.
cheviot,
it was the first throwing session, and javy can't catch a lick anyway. maybe he didn't want to give volquez too much praise, as a motivational thing.
"Put him in the bullpen" could also mean "We need his arm as a starter OR a reliever"... but of course you took the negative angle.
So what way did you take Vaentins remarks John, a not so cheery put down or a compliment to his arm?
Thanks for the info John.
W.K. has struck again...Bob C. please don't wait run Cluless out of town now!!!Walt J. is in place we can't have this misfit around any longer !!Hamilton gone ...retreds signed ...NO improvement!!His arrogant incompetence is killing ticket sales!!!WAKE UP CINCY FIRE KRIVSKY (ANGRY IN DAYTON)
this guy bray is made of paper. affeldt will be needed in the pen, not the rotation, and thankfully.
Javy was saying Volquez's is good enough to put him on the team. It was his first bullpen session, everyone in the front office was watching. It's underable that he pressed a bit.
jdeezman, I took it more like that. He was saying he was a young guy with a good live arm that could help, whether that was in the pen or the rotation right now, but that he liked what he saw.
No way John! You should know that's a Mott the Hoople reference first..
Christopher in North Dakota
Well my contradictory blogger friend, still sounds to me like Volquez didn't didn't look all that fabulous, doesn't it. But like I also said it is really much too early to tell. Javy may not be the best defensive catcher around, but I am sure he has seen enough pitching to offer an educated opinion.
St CSA
cincinnati cynicism at work already. one day into spring training. one bullpen session in mid-february. one open-ended quote from a catcher. one giant negative attitude, already.
volquez has his FIRST bullpen session of the year, the catcher says he has good stuff, and now krivsky is under fire for botching a trade.
give me a break.
the people in this town, or atleast largely on this blog, are only happy when their unhappy (or atleast bitching and moaning).
how about we give the kid a chance to atleast throw to some live batters before we're ready to end his career. my lord.
so cueto is off limits? does this kill the blanton talks or are both gm's willing to compromise?
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080218/SPT04/302180097/
It’s going to take a good camp for Cueto to win a spot. Bailey went 0-1 with a 19.54 ERA in three spring outings last year and got sent out early.
The same could happen to Cueto or he could pitch his way onto the Opening Day roster.
The Reds think enough of him that they refused to trade him this winter. He was reportedly the key to getting Joe Blanton from Oakland, but the Reds wouldn’t include him in a deal.
anonymous @ 3:53 hit the nail on the head.
Tell you what guys, I'll start a blog just for our Negative Nancy crew. You can piss, moan, whine, and complain about EVERYTHING... and I'll make sure no one will criticize your takes.
Your own special blog... of course the only requirement is that you stop doing the negative crap on here.
Any takers (you people know who you are)?
LOL!
Thanks John, that's what I read from your post and thanks for confirming it... although you DID upset the our resident Eeyore's by doing so.
How is Maloney looking? How is the movement on his pitches?
Oh yeah, I almost forgot...
Cheviot Sports As... err... Authority, No, it doesn't mean he didn't look all that fabulous.
It means that it was his first day throwing Eeyore.
I know that I have found this first day blog quite amusing
Also don't forget that Javy isn't exactly affluent with the english language. Tough to expect the guy to communicate his exact thoughts I think.
John,
Did Mike Lincoln throw today?
How does he look coming back from TJ? He has a good chance to make the squad if healthy.
john..apparently our little discussion about jdeezman and your agreement had no bearing..his language and continued attacks on bloggers is ruining my quality blog time
"ITS MUCH TOO EARLY TO TELL" seems to be the key phrase in a couple of my posts today that one of our "bloggers" doesn't seem to be able to comprehend. I also take that "its understandable that he pressed today" to mean that he didn't look sharp. Obviously he throws hard and I hope he is a big winner but ITS MUCH TOO EARLY TO TELL.
I hope that is plain enough English for my argumentative friend.
St CSA
I wholeheartedly agree Jack. I am about to start blasting the little $%^&^*.
Mike Lincoln threw yesterday. dusty said he looked good.
It's impossible to draw conclusions from these sessions. Harang threw today. I don't Cy Young could told you he was the one the six on his group who won 16 games based in that session.
Jack, I'm not only who moderates comments. I was out running when the post you're talking about came in. I'm doing my best. I wish everyone would be more respectful. Rip the post, not the poster.
JDMAN:You are in the minoity giving this GM & team a free pass.I along with others are tired of an arrogant/incompetent jerk who was already replaced by W.J. for good reason.And a bunch of rich / fat players(Griffey& Dunn & many pitchers)!Until proven otherwise we suck! Man up & face facts....WAKE UP CINCY FIRE KRIVSKY (ANGRY IN DAYTON)
JDMAN:You are in the minoity giving this GM & team a free pass.I along with others are tired of an arrogant/incompetent jerk who was already replaced by W.J. for good reason.And a bunch of rich / fat players(Griffey& Dunn & many pitchers)!Until proven otherwise we suck! Man up & face facts....WAKE UP CINCY FIRE KRIVSKY (ANGRY IN DAYTON)
I don't see where we have improved at all.We have 2 starters & a very weak Bullpen.A disfuctional lineup with 2 selfish / out of shape outfieders!(Grif. & Dunn)W.K. makes another blunder!(Hamilton) NATS WIN MORE THAN REDS IN 07----WAKE UP CINCY FIRE KRIVSKY-----REDS FAN IN FT.THOMAS
LOL!
My comprehension levels are more than adequate CSA, are you afraid to use my name? Weak, very weak... as are ALL of the negative outlooks/posts around here.
You guys had your 15 minutes, now move on already!
It's the beginning of spring training, hope springs eternal, and we are undefeated!
Unless, of course, you are the Three Musketeers of John Fays Reds Blog;
Whine-ose, Gripe-ose, and Moan-ose!
I'm here to fight the dark side, and if you feel that applies to you.. then look out!
Of course, Angry in Dayton has his "Pig Pen" black cloud following him, so for him I'll say..
WAKE UP BOB CASTELLINI, EXTEND KRISKY!!!
Maybe some of you Krivsky bashers would like Jim Bowden back so we can have the useless Boone brothers on the roster. Oh wait, we don't need Bret Boone because someone acquired Brandon Phillips for peanuts and just signed him to a 4 year deal.
How's Wily Mo Pena looking? Who did we get for him? Did Kearns and Lopez do anything worthwile last year?
Come on.
ANGRY IN DAYTON & REDS FAN IN FT. THOMAS;
If you two can't see that Krivsky has fixed the farm system andis building this team from the inside out... then there is no use for you to follow MLB, because it is quite obvious that you do not understand the game at ANY level.
Save your time, step away from the PC, and go play with your kids/friends/pet chinchilla.
Go read a nice book, try anything by Ken Burns on the subject of baseball.
TV QUESTION: Maybe one of you folks can answer this.
I signed up for Direct TV so that I could get the MLB Baseball package. But the level of service that I signed up for includes FSN Cincinnati and FSN Ohio.
Does this mean I will be able to see most all of the Reds games without the MLB package?
Thanks.
MT
Mark T, yes. Fox Sports Cincinnati had like 145 Reds games last year. You probably should have gone with Dish so you could watch some of them in HD, though.
JDeezman, ANGRY IN DAYTON & REDS FAN IN FT. THOMAS are clearly the same person. ;)
It would be nice to see this team get to at least .500..that would be a wonderful improvement
anyone suggesting that WK has turned this organization around should excercise some patience..if anything we went backwards his second year
2006 80-82
2007 72-90
I don't see how the team has been "fixed" as of yet
Ahhh....we've found our resident gasbags, and that was done before the first pitches were thrown.
1) CSA - Too many Hudys tossed back at Glenmore Bowl, I guess. Sure, you preface is with a feeble "it's much too early to tell", only to give yourself away with your mindless rant. Your reputation now precedes you. Congrats on that. Well done.
2) MR FIRE KRISVKY - Give it a rest. Your tired act is almost as preditcable as your idol above. In fact, I would venture to say that The Kriv himself could, tomorrow, hand you 10 grand, and you'd complain that the bills were wrinkled. Go root for the Royals.
At this point, the only thing that I can argue about is not having Bailey take his lumps from day one last season.
Regarding this year? Harang, Arroyo, Belisle, Bailey, and whomever of the other does best, and roll with it.
It never does cease to amaze, though, the negativity that SOME Cincinnati "fans" have. Ranting and raving after one bullpen session? I thought that Philadelphia fans were awful.
Jdeezman and Co.,
You ever think Reds fans have a pretty decent excuse for their pessimism? You know...last playoff appearance in '95, gross mismanagement, promises not delivered, etc.
Hypothetical situation...You walk to school every day. Every day for months a bully beats the living tar out of you. Are you a pessimist for: #1 Expecting the beatdown, #2 Not having the fondest opinion of this particular bully?
All of this "hater" garbage gullible Reds and Bengals fans like to spew on the blogs is purely comical. Hopefully it's not the case, but I fully expect the "true fans" to stand up and admit you picked this team to make the playoffs after(how many in a row now?) another finish at the bottom half of the division. Any Kool-Aid you won't drink?
To JDZMAN : Please consider that some of the bloogers are very competitive and are sick of Losing !Perhaps you are happy just to have a team in town !Fact is the Nats won more games in a better division...HOW/WHY W.K. is/was the GM & must take the blame!!Hence Walt J. FACE THE FACTS (COACH)
to the WAKE UP FIRE KRIVSKY clown--
Krivsky is not the guy who landed Griffey or Dunn.. he is the guy who landed Philips and Arroyo. The Reds have a lot of young talent and are headed in the right direction. Don't judge the Hamilton-Volquez trade before you see the results.
at 4:53 PM Jack in Blue Ash said...
john..apparently our little discussion about jdeezman and your agreement had no bearing..his language and continued attacks on bloggers is ruining my quality blog time."
Jack,
Post this on your refrigerator: "Note to Self: 'Don't read posts from bloggers who point out my own silliness or the silliness of those like me because I find it upsetting.' Love, Jack"
We fans are only as awful as our pitching.
And that's plenty awful!
I see in the Reds photo section that Cueto is wearing number 77. I think that is a great number and hope that he keeps it after making the Reds roster. Even though he is only 5'10", his talent stands at 7'7"!
Krivsky is a better GM than Jocketty. Jocketty was let go because he couldn't develop minor league talent and wasn't open to modern day sabermetrics used for talent evaluation. He was good at signing free agents and trading for proven talent, but that's not what the Reds need. They need to build from within and spend money to fill the gaps. The Cards minor league system is about as well off as the Red's was when Bowden left. Gotta get our facts straight in here. This information is available on the Internet.
Yes losing for 7 straight seasons will bring the pessimist out in a man.
Standing pat after going 80-82 and then going 72-90 pretty much tells me all that I want to know about Wayne Krivsky. Not qualified. Not to mention his arrogant attitude turning off the knowledgeable fans.
Does anyone believe that Walt Jocketty was brought in here because Krivsky was doing a fabulous job? The good news is, if they don't win this year its bye bye to Mr Personality.
Coach,Angry In Dayton, and Angry In Ky,
Why don't you post under one name? Or are you trying to make it seem like there is people in your "Fire Krivsky" rage camp?
I have no problem with the blood lust you have on canning Krivsky,but just be one person not this split personality stuff.
Keep showing your ignorance of baseball, and your negativity that accompanies it.
I hope it helps you sleep better, meanwhile here, in our thing we call the real world, we'll enjoy the rebirth of a baseball team that the idiots before the current professionals drove into the ground.
Just realized the #77 on Cueto's back will more appropriately stand for the 'double whammy' that he and Bailey are doing to the 7 straight loosing seasons.
John sorry to ask again but did ask wayne if the reds a using a advance scout this year if so who?
anonymous @ 9:38, it's pretty much a waste using common sense and facts with the resident chicken littles... I'd equate it to throwing pearls beofre swine.
Good facts and reasoning you used, and as we all can see... we're the MAJORITY here.
The Eeyore crew can feel their power base slipping away and it scares them.
I feel bad for them, where will they go next... A Royals blog?
The Nationals blog? This one makes more sense, as they really seem to miss old leatherpants Bowden.
LOL!
Steve, I forgot to ask. Remind me during the day and I'll ask.
I am still chuckling at Anon. 4:19's suggestion that Javy isn't "affluent" in the English language...
John, Stupid question...but since i now live down here, is it okay to just go to practices? I go tp the games, but have a friend here from the 'ville and he really wants to check out apractice...can I? Did you check out Cork yet?
Gary214
John any more information on these Power Packs?? I'm hoping we can get them at face value, but seeing that the games are so big, I'm worried the Reds will charge an arm and a leg..
John, from were you sit do you think the Reds will make a move to bolster the rotation or stick with the young guns.I know its still early and quite hard to tell what WK will do.But if you dont mind could you give us your best guess/opinion on what the Reds and company will do.Trade for a starter (Blanton,etc.) or stick with there young guys, thanks.
If you're bullish on the Reds that's fine but if you think the Reds are even a .500 team this year you're way too optimistic.
NO PITCHING = ANOTHER LOSING SEASON
And Harang plus 4 prayers and Cordero and the clown house in the bullpen pretty much equals no pitching!
Workouts are free and open to the public. They start at 9:30 a.m.
You should be able to get Power Packs at face.
I think the chances of a trade drop everyday. I'm no expert, those young arms looked good to me.
8:48 lets stick to discussing the Reds..I would not take my posts so seriously..focus on other more rewarding things in life
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