Rays 7, Reds 6
Rays beats the Reds 7-6. Reds had the winning runs in the scoring position in the ninth. Drew Anderson lined to right.
"Damn," Dusty Baker said. "It's spring training but you still want to win that game."
Play-by-play:
First pitch: 1:05. Temperature: 66. Plenty of seats available.
Homer Bailey's 2008 debut isn't being met with the anticipation of of the 2007 debut. But it will be interesting. From what Dusty Baker and Dick Pole are saying, you get the idea that Bailey's bought into the program a bit more.
Rays 1st: Iwamura L6 on 3-2 count. Crawford infield single. Pena walks. Bailey's missing badly. Double steal. Upton walks. Aybar called strike 3. Gomes 6-3. No damage, lot of pitches.
Reds 1st (Edwin Jackson): Hopper F8 on a 3-2 count -- a real good pace so far. Keepinger F9. Griffey 1-3.
Rays 2nd: Longoria F9. Barlett 5-3. Riggans 6-3. That was a 5- or 6-pitch inning.
Reds 2nd: Dunn singles. Votto Foul 5. Green K. Bako K.
Volquez in. Bailey's line: 2 IP, 2 hits, no runs, 2 walks, 1 strikeout.
Rays 3rd: Iwamura L8. Crawford 3 unassited. Pena K.
Reds 3rd: (Jason Hammell): Janish double to right-center. Valentin F8. Janish to third. Hopper sac fly. Keppinger 5-3.
Rays 4th: Upton 4-3. Aybar F8. Gomes HBP. Longoria doubles, Gomes scored. Bartlett walks. Riggans singles, Longoria scores. (Justin Lehr into for Volquez) Pinch-hits Rodriguez. A balk is called. Bartlett scores, Riggans to second. Rodriguez K.
Reds 4th: Griffey walks. Dunn 4-3, pinch-runner Dickerson to second. Votto walks. Dickerson steals third. Votto steals second. Green 5-3, Dickerson scores. Bako K.
Off to Homer Bailey press conference. Will catch up when I get back.
I'm back. It's still 3-2. Lehr pitched a scoreless fifth amd Adam Pettyjohn a scoreless sixth..
Young Homer was terse.
How it go out there?
"You saw it."
How go from your perspective?
"All right. I was rushing a bit with (Carl) Crawford on. He's stole a bag or tow in his day. I settled down and got outs."
It didn't get much better than that. Homer's a bit of a smart ass. That works when you're good. If not, it gets annoying. Now, back to action.
Reds' 6th: Freel 5-3. Dickerson K. Anderson singles. APhillips 5-3.
Marcus McBeth pitching for the Reds.
Rays 7th: Two flyouts and a strikeout. Nice job by McBeth.
Reds 7th: Cabrera F7. Colina 4-3. Rolases double to left. A pure hustle double. Valentin 4-3.
Rays 8th: Bad inning for Scott Sauerbeck: He walked in a run. He then got what should have been an inning-ending double play ball. But Rosales threw it away and two runs scored. Ramon Ramirez took over. He averts further damage.
Reds 8th: Bruce singles. Freel walks. Dickerson walks. Dickerson singles, Bruce scores. Phillips walks, Freel socre. Cabrera singles, Dickerson and Anderson score. Cabreara caught stealing. Colina K.
Rays 9th: Tom Shearn gave up a run on two hits in the ninth. Freel made two nice plays at third in the inning.
80 Comments:
How bad is bad? Thats a terrible inning to read right there
Hey John, what are Homer's chances of making the rotation out of spring?
John, do you know when Roenicke is scheduled to pitch? I really hope the guy makes the team. He seems to have a great arm.
Sounds like nerves. Looks like he had a solid 2nd Inning.
Well well, in another post guys are jumping ALL OVER Jack in Blue Ash for his comments concerning Bailey and lo and behold his remarks appear to have played out in Bailey's first inning.
I'm no Jack apologist and he and I disagree on things from time to time but concerning Bailey Jack is correct in that his BIGGEST problem is control, or lack of control rather. This causes him to throw WAY too many pitches and seldom does he pitch 5 or 6 innings. I don't recall for sure but it seems like his longest out in AAA was 7 innings and 5 or 6 innings is very typical for him.
I think Bailey will have a good year but not great and perhaps it's his constant working to finetune that third pitch that keeps him from mastering his control but one thing is for sure.. He needs to find it.
Hopefully it was just first inning of Spring gitters and the second inning is closer to what we'll be seeing from him the rest of the year.
John, with Gonzo out 3 weeks and probably not going to be starting the season is it possible Janish can beat out Kepp?
I think Janish has some big problems with his game. I don't think hes as good a fielder as they thought he was and he has a problem hitting. I THINK. I would have to research it though.
Lo and behold Bailey did not give up any runs.
John, so did it look like Volquez just lost his composure out there after giving up the HBP?
Volquez fell apart... now I expect all of the Josh Hamilton groupies to come crawling out of the woodwork, with much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
These are the same cretins who thing Keppinger is a better option at SS than Gonzalez.
I'll help the handicapped;
FIRE KRIVSKY NOW!!
BRING MARGE BACK FROM THE DEAD!!
PETE DIDN'T BET ON BASEBALL!!
THE EARTH IS FLAT!!
Red Faced-
It was one inning of bad control by Homer and no runs scored. Who cares? He's not even 22 yet, control will come with age. From what I've seen, Jack deserves any guff he gets.
its only preseason you all need to calm down..Julie was looking at this blog from work and laughing her pretty tushy off..thanks redfaced
Brendan. If you accept mediocrity and seven losing seasons then I could see why I upset you. If ya cant deal with the truth I am sorry hunnie
Jack, you accept stale pretzels at GABP for "40" games, so you obviously accept mediocrity.
I think the reality of the situation is that Jack and Julie hit up a 40 of Miller while they eat their Rold Gold bagged pretzels on the back deck of the doublw wide.
john do you know when cueto is planned on pitching again ? also with griffey and dunn in the lineup today wouldnt today have been a good day to put bruce in center and bat him leadoff to see what he can do
Rusty
There's a few of you on this blog that make me embarrassed to be a reds fan. Quit your whining. It's only spring training.
Jack- Accepting mediocrity has nothing to do with it. It's you sucking all of the optimism out of this blog that annoys me. And save your hunnie's for Julie.
I posted this in John's last post (about AGon injury) when he had already posted again. I'd like to hear if any one agrees with me, so I'm posting it here....
If anyone should be fired its the Reds' medical staff. How much are they costing us? I really don't know but we have had more than our share of what appears to be medical malfucntion...
AGon -- how is this not caught last September?
Majewski -- everybody blames Kriv for this...I don't
Eddie G...another pitcher suddenly comes up with arm troubles. Bad luck? Maybe....maybe not.
Milton, Wilson, Hamilton, Haynes and other injured pitchers ... maybe the medical staff didn't have anything to do with their injuries, but it seems like we could do a better job of knowing where we stand instead of just keep throwing them out there and basing the diagnosis on on-the-field failure.
Griffey...many, many problems. Remember the one year that they kept him active for I think at least 45 days saying he was day to day and only pinch hitting him a couple of times? He finally went on the DL.
Many of our minor league pitchers have been injured over the past few years. Again, maybe not the fault of med staff, but what if they were told they were OK to pitch, when they really weren't.
I'm sure there are other incidents that I can't think of right off the top of my head.
Something smells fishy here. This really needs to be looked into!!!
I agree anon 2:34..its only spring training game 3 and already some of people are falling apart. Julie even called me from work and was laughing her tail off.. Everyone needs to chill
Brendan, I'm just calling the game as I see it man. I'm not asking for Bailey's head on a silver platter or anything. Now Majewski on the other hand needs to go and I don't care how young he is or the fact that he didn't even pitch an entire inning.
brendan.. please no personal attacks..attack my posts not the postee thank you
Talk about Bailey having some first inning gitters, Some other people may need to calm down just a little. It's the first inning of spring training for gods sake. Bailey has some time yet to show whether he will or won't be in the starting rotation. We aren't going to know anything definitive about any of them for several weeks.
And it's not time to make your reservations for Keppinger's induction to the Hall of Fame. He also needs some time to prove he can be consistent over the long haul. Same with Hopper. And Votto for that matter.
Try to stay calm, sit back and enjoy the process. There are a lot of interesting stories to play out here.
I like a few things I've seen today, Votto and Dickerson running, Dickerson moving with Dunn at the plate, a little bit of small ball. If Votto steals 20-25 bases this year, that would be a nice little asset to have.
BTW, nurse julie has a tail?....Well that would explain a few things.....
anon 2:38
AGs fracture may have happened 3 or 4 days ago thats why
I do blame Krivsky for majewski..its his call and responsibility
Eddie G is getting old u will see more and more of these injuries with Eddie unless he retires
Griffey has been getting injured every year,, hes old and does not take care of himself in the offseason
nothing is fishy anywhere.. when a team plays so poorly like the Reds have done for so long everything..including injuries is over analyzed
As I am sure that John Fay will concur..Dr K is an excellent physician and the training staff is top notch
Man i cant wait to leave Kuwait and get back to the states to watch some Reds game
30 games has turned into 40 all of a sudden. and anon 2:30 is right. complaining about the last few years so vehemently and going to spend green at the ballpark is the ultimate proclamation of accepting mediocrity.
Speaking of control, I actually saw Sandy Koufax when he first came up. He was awful. No control. Got knocked around real good. and this was in the regular season. I thought, this guy will never make it. What's the hype all about? I've matured since then.
Jack;
AGon missed last 2 weeks in Sept due to "bruised left knee". I'm not a doctor but this sounds related.
If the med staff tell me Majeski is healthy, I'd make that deal too. You can't expect Kriv to be a doctor.
The thing with Junior really did happen.
I'm not saying the med staff can prevent injuries (although MULTIPLE hamstring injuries maybe their fault -- not stressing proper stretching). I am saying that they need to be top notch when it comes ot diagnosis. I'm not sure if they are or are not. But if I'm Bob C and have millions riding on proper diagnosis and treatment, I look into it.
the gonzo injury assures castro a spot on the team, likely in the starting lineup on opening day. no way they go with janish as a def specialist over manos d'oro.
Hey John, when will Bronson pitch? If the Reds are going to go anywhere this year he is going to be a big part of it. I just want to see if Bronson has settled down from last season and has gotten back to '06 form.
24/7 we go to the ballpark with friends all the time and always enjoy ourselves..win or lose.. we even made friends with many cubs fans this year. Its like a picnic..the baseball game is secondary. We bring our own snacks and water
WE are both health care people and make good salaries..money is not an issue
sounds like you are jealous 24/7
again the med staff on the Reds is excellent..yet..just like the bengals..when the team is losing injuries are over analyzed
We need to come up with a new nickname for Castro. Does anyone know how to translate "The Invisible Bat" into Spanish?
Fact #1- injuries occur in sports
Fact #2- medical staffs can only do so much to prevent injuries.
You can look around baseball and each team will have a fairly lengthy list of players who have been injured. I don't think the Reds are any different in that respect than any other baseball team.
you bring your own snacks? figured a high roller like yourself would go ape at the concession stand or skyline. and what exactly am i jealous of? your incredible baseball acumen? your utterly logical ways of analyzing a situation? or this "medical" money you make? sorry pal, i don't envy anything about you or the way you think.
I can not believe people are surprised that Gonzo is hurt over the last 3 years KGJ has played in more games than Gonzales. 381 to 351.
John when are you going to do a story on PettyJohn. I an rooting for him to make it. I think him fighting back from nearly die is a cool story.
Jack, You asked for no personal attacks right after posting:
"Brendan. If you accept mediocrity and seven losing seasons then I could see why I upset you"
You sometimes say people apologize for mediocrity.
Your personal attacks on Mr. Redlegs are legendary.
Maybe if you tone down your borderline comments, you will get attacked less. You do as John Fay said push buttons and you know it.
I agree with you to keep it to Reds Baseball and less about the poster. That would also mean whose dad is bigger than whose dad, who sees more games and where, who has ever spoken to Jeff Brantley or scouts or the peanut vendors.
Cheer for the Reds and hate the Cubs I say. You start bashing the Reds and well that is Cub-like behavior
Open season on Cub fans
Hey John, you are great. One of the best. I really appreciate the way you stay objective through all the drama.
On Bailey being terse, do you think it has anything to do with some guys already trying to print him a bus ticket to Louisville. He's gone pretty quickly from darling to goat without much evidence, except not winning the Cy Young in his first tour.
Jack,
Are you an HCP for the money? Or do you thoroughly enjoy making the lives of others better. The way you compose yourself leads me to believe it's the former.
Love,
Anon
Jack and Brenden are both the worste thing to happen to cincinnati fandome since the orange storm trooper nerd at all the bengals games. You guys are taking this whole thing way too far. why dont you just exchange numbers and do it over the phone. It makes you both sound more intelligent. (swear to god) no, seriously forget i said all that. I like watching Brenden get REALLY upset then jack playing it off like he is to good for spring training comments. (even though he is already passing judgement on a 21 year old pitcher with hardly any starts in the majors)
Brendan should keep his trap shut and jack should be promoted to the box with marty.
Red faced is also an idiot!
Mike from doubleyou tee ef
What time does kindergarten close today?
Mike,
If your post was coherent or worthwhile, I'd respond.
John Fay,
Do you think Homer's attitude had anything to do with him being mentioned in trade talks this winter or was it more of the fact that he was the guy that the other teams wanted?
Amen Aaron - "How did it go out there?" is an embarrassing question from a supposedly professional reporter.
maybe Bailey a little PO'd about some writers wanting to trade him and others for a fat average pitcher..LOL!!
"Speaking of control, I actually saw Sandy Koufax when he first came up. He was awful. No control. Got knocked around real good. and this was in the regular season. I thought, this guy will never make it. What's the hype all about? I've matured since then."
Okay. I've seen some comments on this blog that I've thought were pretty over-the-top before, but a post using the legendary Sandy Koufax as an analogy for Homer Bailey takes the cake. I understand the point. Other pitchers have struggled early in their careers and then turned it around. I just hope that the next time I see the names "Sandy Koufax" and "Homer Bailey" in the same blog post, it's in answer to the question "Name two guys who've pitched in the major leagues."
The unfortunate reality is that there's another analogy that I hope we never have to use in regards to Homer:
Todd Van Poppel.
Blanton 2.0 8 6 6 0 3 1 27.00
Blanton yesterday
"'All right. I was rushing a bit with (Carl) Crawford on. He's stole a bag or tow in his day. I settled down and got outs.'
It didn't get much better than that..."
Did it need to get much better than that? Maybe his tone or demeanor made it sound worse, but I really don't see anything terse or smart-assed about that comment. What's he supposed to say that's "better?"
I wasn't trying to compare Bailey to Koufax. Just trying to make the point that you do need more data before deciding if a guy is a god or a bum or somewhere in between. I don't know if Bailey is more Koufax or Van Poppel. And no one will know until we see a little bit more of him. My best guess at this point is that he is going to be pretty good even after last year and the fact that he walked two batters in two innings.
Actually our medical staff has high regards in baseball. A lot of other teams have had Dr. Kremchik perform surgeries on there players.
Oh and Jack I just talked to a company in Blue Ash so I might end up getting a job there hahaha
Here's what we KNOW about Homer Bailey:
1. He dominated at the high school level.
2. He dominated in the low minors.
3. He has struggled, mightily, so far at the major league level.
I sincerely hope that what the Reds DON'T have here is a guy who became so enamored with, and confident in, his "stuff" when he was pitching against 16-20 year olds that he now feels that he can duplicate that success at the major league level with a minimum amount of effort and coaching. He certainly wouldn't be the first "can't miss prospect" that did indeed miss. I hope not.
Every pitcher gets asked that after every game.
Bronson Arroyo will break down his start inning by inning, pitch by pitch.
Homer's the same way good or bad. No malice. But he can be terse. Which is fine.
al ..i had no idea you were that old. I will be more respectful in the future sir
reganspad you told us u have seen 4 games in the last three years. I don't consider you to be a fan..blog with someone else. both julie and I feel you are obsessed with us
24/7 please review my posts you will see that I stated we go to 30-40 games a year. you are more than welcome to join us anytime. Bring your own water..its much cheaper
al I was impressed with Homers tenacity..if he gets his breaking stuff down pat he should be a good pitcher. He looked much better when he came back up to the majors last year
I think people here get too enamored with individual players like diehard bengals fans because it eases the pain of one losing season after another
Julie and I never complain..we go to games and actually support our team
Al, chill a little. He did pretty well at the higher minors too. He did OK for his first year. And he did OK for a guy who had a groin pull for at least part of the time. He may or may not do any better. There is still reason to have hope. Don't despair, yet. It could be alright.
bengals just signed free agent defensive nose tackle Shaun Rogers from Detroit..This is one of their biggest free agency signings ever
maybe both our teams will do well
The 6-4 Rogers, listed at 340 pounds, turns 29 in two weeks and has three years left on his contract but the Bengals are open to renegotiating it. A two-time Pro Bowler who led all NFL tackles in sacks this past season with 7.5, Rogers has been the subject of heated trade rumors ever since he left the locker room last season saying he wanted a change of scenery from a Detroit club that is 50 games under .500 since it took him in the second round of the 2001 draft.
Jack, I'm not that old, but I'm sure every baseball fan has an understanding about Sandy Koufax's place in any conversation about all-time pitching greats.
Redblooded, the point that I was making is that I'm worried that Reds fans are doing one of two things: they're either setting Homer up to disappoint them, or setting themselves up to be disappointed if he doesn't turn out to be the pitcher everyone expects.
There are already a lot of people pencilling him in as the Reds #4 starter (some even as high as #3), and the bottom line is that there is nothing we've seen at the Major League level to justify that. I think people are looking at the Baseball America prospect rankings and convincing themselves that they have the next no-doubt 100% sure-fire Roger Clemens (minus the PEDs). How about we wait and see how he ACTUALLY performs on a regular basis?
And the same goes for Cueto, Volquez, Bruce, et al.
So, Shaun Rogers couldn't stand all of the losing in Detroit, and now he goes to the Bengals??? Am I missing something there?
John do you know when Johnny Cueto is scheduled to pitch ?
David in Hamilton
Ah, Al. I see we actually agree. We don't need to pencil him in anywhere, he has to work his way in. And we don't need to run him out of town just yet either.
i noticed that Al
well zero walks yesterday and 8 today. Baker can't be happy about that.
John, how far into Spring is it before the first set of "cuts" usually take place?
I do not live in the Cincy area thereby giving me the opportunity to see 3-4 games much less 30-40. I commend anyone who supports the Reds whatever support they can give.
Since I grew up on a barrier island close to Charleston,SC my claim to fame as a fan is sitting in my room with the old fashioned radio trying to make out one in ten words by Marty through the static.
I say that not as a badge of courage but to say I have not been fortunate enough to witness any of Homer's games in the minors or in the show in person. I have watched throught the beauty of MLB extra innings and I have this opinion: He is young and inexperienced. It seems since we as fans have waited so long for some homegrown pitching we are being too reactionary. I am not criticizing anyone because I was waiting for his ascension to the bigs like everyone else.
As much as it pains us we need to give him time. He may have to take his lumps for awhile before we know if he is as special as we all hope he can be.
John, when are guys like Roenicke, Maloney, and Cueto going to get their first crack at an opposing team. I am real interested to see how they pitch (or at least read up on it). Being a Reds fan in Arkansas the only time I get to watch a Reds game is when they play the Houston Astros (Local Fox Sports channel). Please let me know when they are going to pitch so I can be looking for game info.
Jack.. Please just talk about the Reds and your opinion on the team. I can care less about what Julie(if she exists) thinks and how you take snacks and water to the games. If Julie has an opinion, let her post.
Talk baseball please.
Wayne in KY.
Pitching lineup:
Tomorrow: Harang, Maloney, Burton, Coffey, Brower, Majewski, Roenicke.
Sunday: Arroyo, Cueto,Cordero, Weathers, Mercker, Lincoln, Stanton.
John I really like your work and repect you. But geesh how is Homer a smart ASS? Course I wasn't there maybe it's his demeanor or attitude that turned everbody off? You have to understand Country folks. That's the way we are sometimes. Homer will be great I hope this year.
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So Jack let me get this straight you cant be areds fan unless you se all the home games. Well i am from Troy Ohio and i am a Reds fan. Yes i go to one game a year if i am lucky however i follow them on th einternet and basebal tonihgt when i get a chance. So i must not be a Reds fan becasue i live in georgia now (Not by Choise mind you) but for a job and tht job is with the U.S. Air Force or i cant be a fan now right casue i am deployed to the Middle East defending freedom and the rights of everyone who wants to be a reds fan reguardless of where they are. So before you start telling people i dont concider you a fan because you dont go to games look at the reasons people might not go to games and instead watch/listen to them instead. I have only posted twice on here, but i read them every day while i am deployed in the middle east and al i ever see is you attacking other posters saying they are not real fans. Cant we all just get a long.
2:44 anon
the issue of going to the ballpark was specific to scouting players up close and personal. Dont embellish my words, I never suggested that you cannot be a fan by not living here..
Airforce took me out of an ER rotation to go to Iraq dude.I am not impressed with people that come on blogs and pretend to be war heros
I am not prentending to be any thing of the sort. I never said i was a combat hero or anything like that. But from your previous post to other posters that live outside the ohio vally you have stated that they are not real fans. And for the record I am avtive duty with 16 years in, and about 5-6 of thoses years totaled in 90-230 day depoyments and more recently ones with the working for the Army has been in the middle east. So Just like another poster said on this blog you dont like it when someone calls you out. John my appoligies to you for writing this but i just got tired of reading jacks comments on things or mayby this deployment is getting on my nerves. I am so ready to leave the middle east So flame away jack cause that's what you are good at
roscoe,anon, deezman..
as a field nurse in the "middle east" where jack and I met. I know for a fact they would not allow you to blog (for both security reasons and time constraints).. you are allowed to email and everything is reviewed by Incom staff
furthermore, Jack never stated that you could not be a fan if you lived out of town. The debate was on how much information you could glean by watching the team on TV versus actually going to the ballpark
please get your facts straight and quit pretending to be in the military..thank you from someone that actually served
You know julie your right i am not in the military never even served a day in my life, never spent 6 weeks in boot camp in texas, never been stationed overseas never been deployed, never fired an M-16/M-4/M-9/249/Mk-19. Never been to chem trainging been in 12 hour exercises i dont know what its like being away from my family for months at a time (I am being sarcastic if you havent gotten it yet). If you were in Iraq more power to you (Been there done that twice)check out
shut the %^ up.
I am sorry but if you are on active duty serving in the middle east you simply would not be able to utilize the internet for blogging purposes. You are limited to restricted emailing time and this would be appropriated by Incom .
Thank you
I am sorry but if you are on active duty serving in the middle east you simply would not be able to utilize the internet for blogging purposes. You are limited to restricted emailing time and this would be appropriated by Incom .
Thank you
Thought I'd share mine and Julie's wedding photo. We are very excited and happy. It was a lovely occassion.
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Not always true dear. I am my own laptop which is not a Governemt computer. We pay for this internet service $35.00. When i was in Iraq a few years ago the same thing we had our own internet provider. No mind you there are some things that are blocked like porn here but who need it would rather have the real thing anyway. Look i am sorry if i ruffled your alls feather i was just trying to get a point across that it does not matter where you are at a REDS fan is a REDS fan and we shold not be fighting against each other but maybe we should be celebratign a good season to come. And for the record i am in the Military teh USAF and my MOS/AFSC is 2T171 if you know what that i. This is my apoligy. I amtired and readyto leave this sand box
roscoe..whomever..as I conveyed to you..I dont think Jack ever said you have to live in Cincinnati to be a Reds fan..he did suggest you get a better feel for the ballplayers if you do go to the ballpark occasionally
Perhaps if you would have read his post accurately..this whole thing could have been avoided
Jack is the only one that has access to my feathers
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