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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Thursday, March 13, 2008

Phillies 10, Reds 7

Not a good start for left-hander Jeremy Affeldt. His line: 3 1/3 IP, nine hits, seven runs.

“Seventy pitches in 3 1/3 innings," Affeldt said. "That’s an embarrassing amount of pitches. Whatever I’m doing is not working. . . Pitching like I’m pitching, I’m not going to win a spot in the rotation."

Affeldt was asked if he's worried, given that he's competing for a spot in the rotation.

"It's not about being worried," he said. "It's about going out executing pitches for more than one inning. If I want to be a starter, I've got to be able to execute for six or seven innings."

The Reds will have to make a decision on whether to keep preparing Affeldt as a start shortly.

"There will come a day," Dusty Baker said. "I don't know when that day is yet. We have to see what we need and what's going on with him."

In the second inning, Wes Helms tripled off center field wall and scored on Carlos Ruiz's double. Greg Golson followed with an infield single. Casey Smith then hit one out to left to make it 4-0.

Affeldt gave up another run and three more hits in the third.

The Reds rallied in the third. Paul Bako and Chris Dickerson singled with one out. They moved up on Corey Patterson's groundout. Juan Castro singled them both in. Junior Griffey walked. Brandon Phillips' two-run double made it 5-4. Adam Dunn and Edwin Encarnacion walked to load the bases. But Joey Votto struck out on three pitches.

Affeldt gave up two more in the fourth.

Andy Green homered for the Reds in the sixth. Adam Rosales doubled in a run in the seventh.

Gary Majewski gave up two runs in the ninth after pitching a scoreless eighth.


101 Comments:

at 7:51 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Jon, don't wonder. Affeldt would have had to dominate this spring to break into the rotation. OR all the youngsters would have had to fallen on their faces. With Cueto and Volquez impressing -- really impressing -- I think we can all agree this is a good thing (Affeldt getting torched today). He will be just fine as a lefty in the bullpen and that was probably the plan all along.. they just dangled the starting thing as a way of getting him signed on the cheap.

Also, anyone besides me starting tor ealize Hatteberg is our starting first baseman?

 
at 7:52 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Afeldt will be about as useful as Saarloos, Santos and Lohse were last year. Krivsky crap from the junk heap.

 
at 7:53 PM Blogger NVreds said...

Affeldt getting shelled opens the door for cueto and maybe volquez, good.

Also I feel better about our LH options in the pen, maybe working on his change will help affeldt be a better pitcher this season.

we still need a LH starter, thats a glaring hole in our team.

 
at 7:56 PM Blogger Aaron said...

We don;t need a left handed starter. That is over rated. If anything switching back and forth between left and righty gives the other team an opportunity to rest guys and platoon. Where lefty-righty stuff is important is in the bullpen, not the starting rotation.

Also, just noticed the Astros cut young 1B Lance Niekro (son of Joe, nephew of Phil) a nice power hitting righty. Sure he struggled so far in the majors but his minor league numbers are ver impressive and we need a right handed bat to platoon with either Hatteberg or Votto. I say sign this guy up and take a look. Drafted in 2nd round year 2000.

 
at 8:00 PM Blogger NVreds said...

I'm starting to wonder about hatteberg.

I, like everyone else, am in the school of thought that a trip to the minors for guys like votto and bruce won't help them. But I also think it won't hurt them either, of which I'm probably in the minority. I also think bailey in AAA would end up helping him.

votto should be our opening day 1B, but I'm not going to go crazy if he isnt.

 
at 8:02 PM Blogger NVreds said...

a LH starter is a real nice weapon to have in a series, because it throws guys off, I've read stuff (like player interviews) that has me convinced. I'm not about to give the spot to affy over volquez/cueto though because they are way better options, but a nice solid change of pace starter is a huge luxury we don't have.

 
at 8:03 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Reds mount a nice comeback! Castro and Phillips deliver in the clutch.

 
at 8:04 PM Blogger Don said...

I would not call Volquez really impressing. His spring ERA is 5.63 and he has given up more hits than any other Reds pitcher this spring.

I would call Cueto really impressing, however.

 
at 8:04 PM Blogger Aaron said...

One thing I wouldn't do is pitch Volquez and Cueto back-to-back.. I think they are too similiar. Just break em up with a guy like Fogg or Arroyo who has a totally different style.

 
at 8:06 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Well Volquez has looked really good for stretches, and you can't argue with 30Ks vs zero BBs.

 
at 8:07 PM Blogger Aaron said...

bases loaded for Votto. Is he gonna make 2 outs in the same inning?

 
at 8:08 PM Blogger Aaron said...

OK 2 strikeouts vs Votto by Jamie Moyer in the same inning. That is someting I guarantee you Hatteberg could never do.

 
at 8:09 PM Blogger NVreds said...

splitting vol/cueto is a very good idea. if volquez even makes the rotation, which he might not, i do see him making the pen.

you can pretty much pencil cueto in right now....actually, use a pen....

 
at 8:29 PM Anonymous Oregon Fan said...

Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Belisle
Volquez

and...Bailey, Bruce, and Votto in AAA.

If they start out well in the Minors, it may open up some trades come May or June.

What is there for right handed hitting first baseman in the farm system?

 
at 8:31 PM Blogger Branden said...

Id have to agree with Don, EV isnt really impressing, while cuteo is doing well. EV has had limited time and had some really bad outings. I think affeldt deserves one more shot. I would feel very nervous with EV/Cuteo as our 4 and 5 starters.

 
at 8:36 PM Blogger Aaron said...

I don't think there is much in the way of right handed 1B in our system, hence the signing of Craig Wilson. If Votto is struggling vs righties he is certainly gonna struggle vs lefties based on his minor league splits.

This is why I recommend signing Lance Niekro who just got released by the Stros yesterday.

I guess right now Andy Phillips is the only option. And Valentin who doesnt hit as well vs lefties and will also be the primary catcher.

 
at 8:40 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Volques last outing was pretty awesome. He struck out 8 batters in 4 innings including Matsui, Giambi, and Jeter. He gave up two runs, but one of them was assisted by a bad throw from Bako that wound up in centerfield. His K/BB ratio is awesome. I think any team would be delighted to have him at the bottom of their rotation. He can only get better. Its either him or Fogg... you decide!

 
at 8:42 PM Anonymous oregon fan said...

Signing Niekro may not be a bad idea...at least get a look at him during spring training.

 
at 8:46 PM Blogger Branden said...

Aaron i agree 100% with your Lance Niekro comment. I still dont understand why cantu wasnt kept. Still i dont trust EV just yet. His first outing was pretty horrible. Affeldt seems to do fine in the first inning btw. I wonder if he just needs to get use to going longer.

 
at 8:46 PM Blogger Don said...

A K/BB ratio doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot when his ERA is over 5.50. Volquez's body of this work this spring has been unimpressive, but you are right, he did perform well in his last outing. I hope he does pitch well as the Reds need some solid young guys to fill in the bottom of this rotation. I just have some reservations as to how much we can expect from Volquez.

 
at 8:50 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Well I agree we need to watch a lot more before we can start penciling in the bottom couple of slots in the rotation. What about Belisle, does he look significantly better than Volquez right now? Do we really prefer Fogg over anyone at this point, or is he better suiter as a reliever? Its clear Bailey has command/control issues so I think he is the longest shot on the board. I haven't given up on him but he's just 21 and way behind Cueto as far as readiness. I think Bruce and Bailey start in AAA and get the call mid-season. That could be in the cards for Votto too unless he gets his act together and quick. Baker has already criticized his batting approach so he might be destined for Louisville also.

 
at 8:53 PM Anonymous Stan.... said...

It's truly amazing how much talent could be on the Louisville club at the start of the season.

That starting line up could be more talented than a lot of the Reds teams that past 10 years.

This franchise is definately heading in the right direction.

 
at 8:57 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Spring training stats are misleading. Volquez had one bad outing, two good ones. What the Reds like is the fact that he throws 97 and had a good changeup.

 
at 9:04 PM Blogger Branden said...

Hey John,
So do u think this automatically drops affeldt from the rotation? I like the guys character and am really rooting for him. You think he get another spring training start?

 
at 9:06 PM Anonymous Stan said...

Only way Affeldt starts in the rotation is if a Reds brass thinks you need a lefty in the rotation.

 
at 9:10 PM Blogger Aaron said...

John, the Reds must LOVE the fact that Cueto and Volquez aren't walking guys. That is such an ultra rare thing for young power arms. That's usually the biggest problem (see Bailey, Homer).

 
at 9:39 PM Blogger NVreds said...

wait...the reds have multiple power arms?? sounds like an oxymoron.
man that feels pretty good to say...whoever said this team is on the right track is 120% right

and volquez's body of work this spring is the opposite of unimpressive. He hasn't been cueto, but he's been impressive, stats don't tell the whole story. I watched the yankees game, he looked good. I trust my eyes, not stats...thanks dusty

 
at 9:40 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

It's still a little early to start picking rotation and sending players like Votto packing to AAA. I have seen anything to convince me that Baker has made up his mind yet about anyone, with the possible exception of Cueto. If Cueto keeps pitching like he has, I got to believe he's in the rotation.

I was listening to game when he pitch last night and the Philly announcers said how Baker told them before the game how much they would enjoy seeing Cueto pitch. They sounded impressed. Volquez looked outstanding on Monday.

 
at 9:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregon fan,

and...Bailey, Bruce, and Votto in AAA.

If they start out well in the Minors, it may open up some trades come May or June.

Really?


Youre not really suggesting we trade these guys are you? For what?

Even if you are able to get a really good starter, or a couple all star caliber veterans, for how long? 2 years?

Then they come in and either dont perform and the Reds dont win anything, and the Reds let them walk at the end of contract,

OR they have good years, the Reds are better, but still dont win anything, and the player(s) sign for real money somewhere else.

This team needs a good young core for a 5 - 7 year period.

Bailey, Bruce, Votto, Cueto, Volquez, Encarnacion, Philips, are that core.

Get used to it folks, "These are your Cincinnati Reds"

Anything else is a bad business plan for a small market team given todays baseball economics.

Would you really rather have the revolving door of has beens and never was thirtysomething players weve had in Cincy for the past 10+ years?

Without these guys, thats what youve got!

Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 9:52 PM Anonymous Mike21 said...

I was watching this game in ED Smith Stadium until a while ago. Affeldt was too bad. What a terrible pitcher he is. We don't need him in our rotation. Last night, Arroyo pitched easily against them. He was so great. (I was watching that game in their stadium.)

 
at 9:52 PM Blogger Dustin said...

Tonight is firework night at Ed Smith Stadium, hence the sellout. Reds fans only sellout for 3 events: opening day, bobbleheads, and fireworks.

 
at 10:02 PM Anonymous oregon fan said...

Kevin, I was thinking of trading veterans to make room for the youngsters. Last thing we need is to get rid of young talent. My stomach was in knots most of winter with all the "trade the farm" trade rumors.

 
at 10:14 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

NVReds trusts his eyes, not stats. The stats say 5.63 ERA and 12 hits in 8 innings. Yes the last outing was good but it was 4 innings. Too early to put him in the rotation based solely on his limited body of work.

 
at 10:28 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

Did I really read that Volquez hasn't been good? You know why he gave up two runs last time? Bad defense and a babip(batting average on ball put in play) of .600. Typically that # is around .300, and even for an awful pitcher won't be too far over .350. It's called bad luck, and it happens when you look at small sample sizes. The guy struck out 8 guys in 4 innings against the Yanks, and has been named the starter in the A game Sunday. That tells me something and it should tell you something. Dusty wants to see this guy cuz these next starts are when the rotation really needs to start shaping up, its down to Belisle, Fogg, Bailey, Cueto, and Volquez for three spots, gotta think right now Volquez and Cueto are leading the pack out of that group.

 
at 10:28 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oregon,

Then we agree.

In my opinion, if the Reds are going to win another championship, its going to be with a mix of about 70% farm raised talent, 20% "diamonds in the rough" from the scrap heap (ie rule 5s, waived players, and released players)and 10% free agent / big name trades.

Sound a little like our team?

Trust me, Krivskys doing it right, now things just have to happen between the lines.

-Kevin in FM

 
at 10:29 PM Blogger dwr said...

John -

Not much has been mentioned about the firstbase battle this spring. With Votto not making any sort of good impression, what's buzz about his playing time?

 
at 10:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Votto will go north, Hatte cant play 162 games, and Votto needs the at bats in the bigs. But its a sure bet Hatte will be manning 1b on opening day.

-Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 10:40 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

I agree with you GrizzlyFox and those where not minor league Yankee batters he was facing either. The last two weeks of spring are the most important and even then it is not a real judge of how well a player or a team will perform during the season. I think too much is often made out of making the opening day roster. If the Reds do have younger pitchers in their rotation, then they will need to carry an extra long man in the bullpen. It might come down to carrying 12 or even 13 pitchers before it all said and done.

I don't know why the owners don't add another roster spot to their team, other than the money that is.

 
at 10:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Kevin in FM related to Wayne Krivsky? Work for Wayne Krivsky?

 
at 10:44 PM Blogger redfuture said...

Volquez has exhibited much better command over last year. I think I've heard or seen nearly every pitch he has made. Many of the hits that he has given were flares or high hoppers. I'm betting that Bailey will have one or two great outings before the spring is over. Votto will be ok but I do remember how bad a start he got off to last year. I think he hit under .200 for April last year at AAA, then he tore the cover off the ball the rest of the year. Back to the pitching... no one should be panicing over Belisle either. Matt will be solid because he has the stuff, the command and the year under the belt. He needed that year more than the studs because his good stuff is still a tad less than theirs. Harang, Arroyo, Belisle, Cueto & Bailey starting and Cordero, Weathers, Burton, Affeldt, Mercker, Volquez and Fogg relieving are going to blow the doors right off of this division.

 
at 10:45 PM Anonymous redsfanwoody said...

While I am getting used to the idea that Bruce/Votto might start off in Triple A, I still do not like it. When do you see what your prospects are about?

What if they are sent down and some how the Reds are in the thick of the race and need to add pieces to make a run at the division crown, would they then be tempted to trade a few prospects? Would it be worth it?

I know it's only spring training but from what i can gather, it seems likely the Reds are going to go with the veterans weather they deserve it or not.

It seems this organization is at a fork in the road and I am hoping the choose the right path.

 
at 10:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Opening Day Lineup:

Patterson
Keppinger
Griffey
Phllips
Dunn
Hateberg
Encarnacion
C
P

Bench:

Votto
Bruce
Freel
Hopper
Valentin

Freel will be a Red until Gonzo is back.

KinFM

 
at 10:48 PM Blogger NVreds said...

if they are sent down, and we need pieces for a race, i think they become those pieces, and thats the experience that'll make them good, not platooning in the bigs, like they would do if they start there.
I want them on the team too, but sending them down won't hurt them (+ gets rid of bruces super 2 status)

 
at 10:48 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can put Rosales at 1B that is where he played last year in AA

 
at 10:49 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

No question Volquez was good on Monday night, but a small sample size works both ways. ERA is still over 5 (not all against major league hitters either) and he has only worked 8 innings. However, count on him being on the ML roster. The GM needs a well performing Volquez on the team because Hamilton will likely have a good April if he's healthy.

 
at 10:52 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Mercker in the bullpen? No. Coffey, Roenicke, Bray, anybody but Mercker, please.

 
at 10:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those of you who are still crying over Hamilton, GET OVER IT. He is gone. DEAL WITH IT. Volquez is going to make you forget about Hamilton for years to come. The trade will help both teams. We needed young power arm, they needed an OF.

 
at 10:59 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, not related too, and not employed by WK. (The perks would be nice though)

I just agree with his approach. Will it translate to a pennant or a ring? Well have to see.

The right approach isnt enough, hes got to bring in the right guys, and the timing has to be flawless.

Baseball is a complicated business for small market teams, but its clear WK has the head for it.

KinFM

 
at 11:13 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are the Reds really a "small market" team? What is the total payroll for '08? They just dropped 2 mill on a 16 year old outfielder. They also have 2 players making over $12 million this year. I would consider them a mid to mid-high market team not a low market like the Pirates, Rays, and Marlins.

I think Krivsky has til June to prove his plan works. If not Mr. Jocketty will take over. They brought him in for a reason and haven't extended Krivsky's contract for a reason.

Note: Krivsky didn't wait 15 years to become a GM for no reason. He said he interviewed for the GM job that Jocketty got with the Cardinals 14 years ago.

 
at 11:19 PM Blogger NVreds said...

As far as hamilton is concerned, I don't care how he does from now on. I don't care what his stats are this spring, april, yr, whatever. He's no longer on my team, so he's gone from my memory. I'm sure plenty of people will go insane checking his box score stats all season just to try and justify this being a bad trade. if your paying attention to this guy still, get over it.

that being said I'm rooting for him to succeed.

 
at 11:30 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Small market refers to revenue not payroll.

Large markets can outspend small market teams year in and year out. Even small market teams can have a stretch of a couple of years with a mid to high payroll, but cannot sustain it indeffinately.

The fan base is smaller,
the park is smaller
the gate (ticket revenue) is smaller
the merchandising income is smaller
the TV deals are smaller

Hence "Small Market"

As far as Krivsky having till June:

So were only giving Bailey, Volquez, Cueto, Votto, and Bruce 3 months to look like perenial All Stars, and carry the Reds to glory?

His plan is to keep the young talent instead of trading it. Will we really know by June if that was the right thing to do?

Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 11:41 PM Anonymous firefly118 said...

Affeldt doesn't even have a roster spot by May! Would be suprised to see him break camp with the team. Not sure why they signed him anyway, I am not being bitter, but did you know who he was before he came here?

There is no place open for him on this team

 
at 11:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

where is jack/julie rn?

 
at 11:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question is: Does it matter? The writing is on the wall. Jocketty wasn't brought in as a peer to Krivsky for no reason.

Are you sure Krivsky didn't want to trade the young core guys that O'Brien drafted? Maybe he wasn't allowed.

Small market... I read in '06 the Reds spent 48% of stadium revenue on payroll. That was under Lidner and was quite different and I understand that.

Doing more research on how, where, and how much the Reds are spending.

 
at 11:48 PM Anonymous Emilio said...

It is still way too early to make certain decisions, but right now here is what my lineup, starting pitching, and bullpen looks like on opening day...

CF-Corey Patterson
SS-Jeff Keppinger
RF-Ken Griffey, Jr.
2B-Brandon Phillips
LF-Adam Dunn
3B-Edwin Encarnacion
1B-Joey Votto
C-Valentin/Ross (probably Valentin)

Note: Votto will start opening day but, if so, look for Hatteberg to start the second game against what is certain to be Dan Haren, who he played with and faced in the past.

Starting Rotation:

Aaron Harang
Bronson Arroyo
Johnny Cueto
Matt Belisle
Edinson Volquez

Bullpen:

Francisco Cordero
David Weathers
Jared Burton
Jeremy Affeldt
Josh Fogg
Josh Roenicke
Bill Bray (if healthy)

Note: If Mike Stanton is still on this team Opening Day, I may hurt myself. I'm still seeing a therapist over how he pitched last year. Together, we are trying to work through the psychological damage I suffered watching him trot out there and...well...suck profusely.

 
at 11:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, the league isn't as high on Homer Bailey as the Reds say they are and the media believes he is. I truly believe the Reds shopped Homer all winter.

 
at 11:53 PM Blogger Dave said...

K, kiddies...enough w/the trade the young guys and the griping about Bedard, as well as bashing Homer (he is still 21...2 years away, for most folks, show some patience). In any event, to the "these are your Reds" comment - check out our lineup in 2+ years.
1. Hopper (soon to be Stubbs)
2. BP
3. Bruce
4. EE
5. Votto
6. Keppinger
7. Other outfielder (Dickerson?)
8. Catcher
Bench - Hopper/Stubbs, Janish, a little thin at this point...

And this is assuming we can't sign Dunn to be cleanup/LF - I wish he struck out less and played a better LF, but he's a quality centerpiece to the lineup. Now the rotation:

1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Cueto
4. Bailey
5. Volquez
6./Long - Belisle and Maloney - we're stocked for 5-10 yrs.

Pen - Burton, Bray, Cordero, Coffey, Roenicke, Belisle and Maloney - serious heat and a lot of outs in here.

I get up for spring training every year, but I haven't been this excited to be a Reds fan in...well, ever (I'm 20 years into it at this point).

 
at 11:55 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

2007 revenue

Cicy 23rd out of 30

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-much-is-your-team-really-worth/

KinFM

 
at 12:00 AM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

To answer someone's answer about the RH bat at 1st,Kepp, can play there when Gonzo comes back or the can use Javy V there,he bat's switch.(Which has been done before)

Krivisky is Doing a good job,grant it I don't think he's doing a great job.But, Good comes before Great,so time will tell.He was part of helping build the twins franchise to a team that contented year in & year out.In a small market.Santana & Lirano are fruit's of his labor(In some degree or another,I know he was still just a asst.Gen manager,but that job carries some weight too.).Now we have 2 stud latin Flamethrower's that are the talk of ST.Get my drift.Give the guy some time,He's a dealer & sometimes you win & sometimes you lose.Atleast he's working & trying to put together a team.He does shop the scrap heap junk pile(Waiver wire,etc..) a little more than I like him to do,but you never know when you might find that diamond in the ruff or that comeback story.

 
at 12:02 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Really nice post Dave,

I see Cueto in that #2 spot though.


KinFM

 
at 12:08 AM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

I know everyone is going to laugh at me for saying this but,I think Stanton make's a comeback this season & pitches decent enough to help in games.

He's lose a bunch of weight & you know his pride is hurt.I expect to see him toss decent enough to get fan's off his back.Not great,good,or solid,just decent enough to contribute to the team.

I'm starting to think Majik need's to go though or just be used in one inning.He scare's me when he comes in,it's hit or miss with him.Pun intended.

With Stanton,Coffey, & Majik Teams should be scared,those are names to fear(LOL)

 
at 12:09 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

What am I hearing about trade rumors of the Reds acquiring Coco Crisp from The Red Sox? We do not need another center fielder, our rookie is doing great!

 
at 12:12 AM Blogger Dave said...

I agree Cueto will surpass Arroyo - can you imagine Bronson Arroyo as our #5?! It could happen...anyway, on a different note - check out the 22 pics of Dusty Baker...I always liked him as a manager, wwwaaaay more than Joe "one year" Girardi. But do you notice something in all 22 pics? Even when yanking pitchers....he's....ready for this?....SMILING!!! I think I learned the value of enthusiasm and positive thinking in pre-school and the lesson has been repeatedly reinforced - he sure is an upgrade over Dave Miley and Jerry Narron - who are both good men. However, the last manager I remember smiling in Cincy was a guy who used to go by the moniker "Sweet Lou," and if memory serves me correctly, he did okay in his time here.

 
at 12:15 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, you said:

Are you sure Krivsky didn't want to trade the young core guys that O'Brien drafted? Maybe he wasn't allowed.

Are you kidding? Youre not really suggesting that Castellini and Jocketty are "not allowing" Krivsky to make decisions are you?

If that is the case, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP HIM AROUND? Thats just not logical. Have a GM, pay him, and not let him make decisions, are you hearing how silly your comment sounds?

KinFM

 
at 12:26 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

That would be kinda like having a lawn guy, then when he shows up, you take the mower and do it yourself, and then pay him.

Very funny.

 
at 12:33 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a shot at a poster. I apologize and will not post again.

Kevin in FM: Do you work at a fast food restaurant or are you under 23 years old? It is obvious to me that you haven't held an adult job in a professional setting. New ownership/management brings in their own people. Just like Krivsky brought in his own guys and fired Kuhlman, didn't include Johnny Almaraz in on any of the winter meetings (why he quit and is now with the braves), and didn't listen to Barton Jr's opinion. This happens in the adult working world every day. I work at a large midwest bank and have seen these things hapen at the corporate level and at my departmental level.

The Reds pay Krivsky whether he is there or not. He is under contract and it is as guaranteed as Stanton and Coffey's salaries this year.. Trust me the Dusty Baker decision was not Krivsky's. He also didn't have a choice when they hired his peer Jocketty.

This isn't a high school baseball team where you pick the best 25 guys and the rest play JV. This is big business and it is ran like a big business with plenty of politics, ulterior motives, the good old boy network, and back stabbing.

 
at 12:34 AM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Dave-You forgot Weathers.veteran pitcher with pretty good stuff.Old but still reliable.

 
at 12:42 AM Blogger Dave said...

Weathers is 38...won't be around in 2 years, most likely. Definitely not much past that - for this year, I think we're a Central contender...2 years from now, Harand and Arroyo are still early 30s, Bailey/Cueto = 23, Volquez 28, Votto 26, BP 28, EE 27, Bruce 23 - you get the point; in 2 years, we'll be primed to make a run at the Series for the next 5-10 years, provided we keep the farm fresh and the free agent exodus minimal.

 
at 12:44 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The question still remains,
why keep him?

If Jocketty is poised to take over and they are not allowing Krivsky to make decisions, why not let him go and let Jocketty take over? As you say they are paying him either way. So...

Pay him and have to keep tabs and tell him what to do, or fire him, pay him anyway, and let Jocketty do it straight away, and cut out the "middle man".

What you suggest is still not logical even if I am 19 and work at Mcdonalds.

KinFM

 
at 1:35 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:33 anon -

we dont care where you work, where you think anyone else works, or what you think was or wasn't krivs decision. all you can give about what to credit kriv with is a bunch of stupid speculation on your part, so bashing someone else for doing the same thing is just stupid. if thats what you think, then write it, but dont talk smack then turn around and do the exact same thing you were talking smack about.

 
at 6:48 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But Joey Votto struck out on three pitches"

good god, dusty is already in his head with his "swing the bat, walks clog the bases" philosophy. for his sake i hope he's traded before dusty screws him up beyond repair or he gets buried on the bench or in L'ville behind Hatteberg.

 
at 8:19 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

I got pounded for saying that both Affeldt and Fogg were marginal pitchers

No offense ,, but the majority of you sound like Bengals fans . They get a decent draft pick and/ or pick up some marginal free agent and of course... its playoffs or the Superbowl.. read your posts.. very similar..Too funny

This team will be lucky to get back to .500

 
at 8:39 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

Hamilton, CF 3 1 3 1 1 0 0 .577

this dude is batting .577 in spring training.Man if he stays healthy he will be a monster.Reminds me of a young Mickey Mantle..Good move Wayne

 
at 8:41 AM Blogger reaganspad said...

Volquez is the real deal. Watch the Yankees game where he faced the A team.

A bad outting from him maybe the breaking pitch work he is doing this spring???

VS the Yanks, he had 2 plus plus ML pitches and a decent curve.

Bailey is showing so far that he will be in AAA. Not a bad thing as this kid will learn how to pitch. His mechanics right now look to be inconsistant.

Votto a AAA? suppose people want EE there because he is chasing mendoza also?

I can see Bruce and Bailey at AAA to start. Cueto is blowing the doors off as is Volquez. Those are the guys who are demanding a spot on this team.....

A 500 team that didn't perform as such well as 06 and got their boss fired.

I do not see Cueto and Volquez going 3-27 with a 7 plus ERA. These are not those Reds...

 
at 8:49 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, he will be a monster! If you think so, why don't you become a Rangers fan, Jack in Blue Ash? Nobody cares.

 
at 8:57 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cueto is #2? LOL You shouldn't be overrated. Arroyo is better clearly. But I know, Cueto will be great.

 
at 8:57 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anybody else agree that we would probably be better off putting EV in the pen this year and then revisiting him as a starter next year? 97 and a wicked change, that's all a reliever needs - look at Joba Chamberlain, he was similar. Give the kid time to develop a 3rd pitch. Oh, and can we sign Dan O'Brian back just to take care of the draft, his guys are looking pretty good right now.

-The Young Right Hander

 
at 9:00 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

reganspad..to go from 72-90 to 81-81 would be a great accomplishment for any major league team in 1 season

volquez is the real deal in spring training..big difference than being a real deal in the real season reagan

how many times you gonna send Bailey down to the minors.. maybe the dude juts dont have what it takes

 
at 9:04 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

Volquez in the majors the past 3 years is 3-11 with an era over 7

I know reagan thats silly he is going to come here and become a superstar just like you told us Affeldt and Fogg would be

 
at 9:13 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"volquez is the real deal in spring training..big difference than being a real deal in the real season reagan"

just to clarify, hamilton's spring training numbers and kepp's spring training batting average do mean something, while Voltron's spring training success and kepp's defensive struggles do NOT mean anything. I got that right Jack?

What was the name of the scout that told you that again?

 
at 9:41 AM Anonymous redsfanwoody said...

Keep preachin' your word reaganspad. There is
nothing wrong seeing possibilities in the young pitchers.

You got give the young guys a chance. Just think if Jeff Keppinger didn't get his chance after .284 in his first year and he dropped o .267 the next year. Some people would of claimed he was a mediocre player even though they were hundreds of miles away seeing him play.

But he got his chance and played well. Same thing can happen with the younger players.

 
at 9:48 AM Blogger Jon said...

Jack,

two things my man:

1) I don't think anyone had superstar illusions about frickin FOGG and AFFELDT, but they we seen as kinda sorta okay pickups.

2) While Hamilton is hitting 577 over there, he's also "icing down his shins", which does not bode well for his PT. And while you compare Volquez's early numbers to Hamilton's now, let's not forget how unproven Hamilton's numbers looked last year.

I am going to love watching this drama unfold between the sappy Hamilton fans who fell in love the the story, and the pseudo-baseball experts who feel young pitching is worth more, also known as Kriskanians. Many a bad argument to come.

 
at 10:10 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I applaud Krivsky for not listening to some of the previous regime's scouts. In 20 years, they managed to develop Adam Dunn and no pitching. They were all useless hacks. Bringing in new people was the only option.

 
at 10:16 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

jon..your reasoning makes no sense

Many bloggers including reaganspad were gushing at the thought of Fogg and Affeldt..perhaps you were not paying attention

Hamiltons numbers were put up in the major leagues..they are not unproven.. the same holds true with Volquez .Dude is 3-11 in the majors the past 3 years with an ERA over 7..Volquez may be young but he certainly aint been pitching

redsfanwoody thats the beauty of sports..you can always see potential. Unfortunately, and maybe you have become accustomed to the 7 straight years of losing.Perhaps thats all you see and you embrace a losing record and mediocrity. I dont

 
at 10:19 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

How did Cueto get here? Johnny Almaraz is the answer to that question. Who promoted Almaraz to director of international scouting? Answer O'Brien.

Also Larry Barton had been a Reds scout for over 30 years. Remember the Big Red Machine? Barry Larkin? Eric Davis?

Please think about your post before you post nonsense!

 
at 10:27 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

What successful regular season pitching has the new regime brought in? Stanton, Majewski, Bray, Affeldt, Fogg, Joe Mays, Darrell May, Lohse, and Volquez. Are these Major League successsful pitchers?

 
at 10:28 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

When you step back and look at this team objectively..aside from Cordero..there really have not been any positive additions to this club

Affeldt and Fogg have shown that they are average pitchers . maybe even less than average..

Bailey is still having issues

The same middle relievers are having the same problems

Bruce may not even be ready to play center

We lost Josh Hamilton

Maybe Cueto and Volquez contribute although Volquez has had problems in the majors

This team aint much different than last year

 
at 10:31 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hamiltons numbers were put up in the major leagues..they are not unproven.."

Yeah, 19 HRs and @ 60 RBIs, missing 1/2 your 1st ML season at the age of 26 cause of injuries..proven superstar..the next mickey mantle...

IMO, It's not just the folks who fell in love with the story, a great story at that, it's also the bible-thumpers who want one of their own to cheer for.

 
at 10:45 AM Anonymous redsfanwoody said...

No Jack, Thats not what I see. I see the Reds starting to develop there own players. I see them drafting more wisely than they have before. To say they are not a better organization than 4 or 5 years ago shows you don't pay attention to what's going on. So you can get off me about how I accept losing.

What you see is the past. You are unable to look forward and see possibilities. You offer the same old arguments which you rarely can back up with any reasoning.

Look at Cleveland,Milwuakee,Colorado etc etc. Teams that have lost for years and years. What made them better? They developed mostly their own players.

And nowhere in this post have I said these are all hall of famers or perennial all-stars. I leave outrageous claims to be made by you.

 
at 11:14 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

i see the possibility of this team improving to .500 and that would be a very significant accomplishment.

You are suggesting that this team is drafting and/or developing players better than they did in the past. One would only hope so as their farm system was absymal. They are doing an ok job..the results..if any remain to be seen.

But what you seem to forget is that other teams have good farm systems also and that the Reds are playing catch up just to be average

I am a realist Redsfanwoody I see this team improving a little this year.

As to providing any reasoning for the record of the past seven years..I give ya one..they stunk

Specific to this year Woody..the three players that we have developed, Bailey, Bruce, and Cueto may not even make the club. Bailey certainly has issues maybe the hype outweighed his true ability

I do see possibilities..but this team aint going to the promised land this year

Yet, Julie and I will be at the ballpark enjoying ourselves and rooting for our team .. How bout you?

 
at 12:12 PM Blogger Jon said...

Jack,

I was referencing Hamilton's less than impressive minor league numbers prior to the year's start.

Do you honestly think Volquez is going to pitch in the 7's? If not, why are you harping on it? Do you think he'll be in the 6's or 5's? Would the 4's be a success? Is it possible for him to be in the 3's? 2's? What do you look for from this 'bum' we wasted Josh Hamilton on? If you want to compare apples to apples, at least compare Volquez's 4.50 era last year to Hamilton's numbers from last year.

Also wondering, would you be HAPPY with .500? or are you just being a 'realist'?

 
at 12:17 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

jon... volquez has not shown anything at the majors .. Hamilton has

deal with it


Jack

 
at 12:25 PM Blogger Jon said...

Like I said, this is going to be fun to watch unfold this year.

If fans had a hard time (still do) forgetting an overweight, underachieving Kearns, I can't wait to see what they bring up about Hamilton. HAHAHA!

I like how Wayne has put the cards on the table. It's suspenseful.

 
at 12:34 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

You mean the same Hamilton that is hitting over .500 in spring training for the texas rangers jon and wowing everyone?.

hamilton has talent..Dunn only has power big difference

 
at 12:43 PM Blogger Jon said...

Yes, that Hamilton that has "had to ice down some sore shins".

I wouldn't put Dunn and Hamilton in the same category myself. Nor would I believe we could have gotten Volquez for Dunn under any circumstance, real or imagined.

 
at 2:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

volquez is 3-11 in the majors the past 3 years with a 7 ERA

 
at 2:30 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Jack, one day you will get to 500. I thought Affeldt was a good signing. Never commented on Fogg... you are 500 there.

I have said that Bailey will improve. His stride is bad now, and he is inconsistant with his fastball. He is some AAA starts away at this point.

To say that the Reds pitching is not better today than it was a year ago is sleepwalking as a fan. Not realism, pessimism. You want the season to be bad, so that you will be right.

If the Reds are as good this year as many of us think they can be, Jack blows away from the blog like last year's disaster

 
at 3:18 PM Blogger Jon said...

Congratulations Anonymous 1:22! You've become the latest to generalize Volquez's 3 short stints in the AL! I think I'll get a T-shirt that says:

"Volquez: 3-11 7 era in mlb"

and see what relevance that carries this season.

Maybe I'll put Krivsky's grill on there too, right above it.

I'm shocked Krivsky didn't at least go for somebody that was 4-10 with a 6 era instead. That would have at least been a LITTLE better, geeze! He really got jobbed there!

 
at 3:42 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

agreed Jon. That "7" was our 5th starter last year. The difference is that Volquez has stuff... that Ramirez, Saarloos, Milton and Dumatrait would love to have just a bit of it

 
at 4:19 PM Blogger Jon said...

No doubt RP, I didn't even put that together. Volquez can do no worse. But we didn't get him to be our 5, he's going to be our 2 or 3 hopefully for a long time. My whole idea is, why not give this kid a chance? It's not like Wayne just decided anyone with a pulse should replace Hamilton on this team. If EV is ok with a career scout like WK, he's ok with me until the results come in.

 
at 8:34 PM Anonymous redsfanwoody said...

Jack,
If you ever bothered to read or research you would of seen that the Reds were ranked third in organizations of baseball. But since it doesn't support your view of things,I suppose you'll just skip over it.

 
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