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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, March 12, 2008

Six cut, one added (updated)

From the Reds:

TRANSACTIONS: Today the Reds claimed off waivers from the Giants LHP Jose Capellan; outrighted to Sarasota LHP Alexander Smit; optioned to Louisville RHP Richie Gardner and LHP Tyler Pelland; reassigned to minor league camp C Chris Kroski, LHP Matt Maloney and LHP Adam Pettyjohn...the Reds have 57 players remaining in camp…that updated roster is attached.

TODAY'S ACQUISITION: Today the Reds claimed off waivers from the Giants 21-year-old LHP Jose Capellan...he was selected by SF from the Red Sox in December's Rule 5 Draft...Capellan in 4 professional seasons is 13-8-3, 2.74 in 29 starts and 21 relief apps (207ip, 169h, 49bb, 217k, 5hr).

Rule 5 rules apply, i.e, the Reds have to keep him on the roster all year or offer him back to the Red Sox for $25,000.

"We like him," Wayne Krivsky siad. "Good arm, good body type. We figured we'd take a shot."

Capellan will arrive in Sarasota tomorrow.

Another thing that people have asked about: If the Reds release Josh Fogg, they're only on the hook for $100,000 -- not the full $1 million of his contract.


at 4:20 PM Blogger Hey Barry Larkin! said...

John, since Capellan was a Rule V guy, does that mean he must stay on the 25-man roster with the Reds all season, or be sold back to Boston? Or was that somehow negotiated out when he was waived?

at 4:22 PM Blogger cmellon said...

Nice numbers for a 21 yr old lefty. Keep stockpiling pitchers.

at 4:32 PM Blogger Kurt said...

The kid's stats are great, so what is the catch? John why would they realease someone like this with those numbers?


at 4:40 PM Blogger Legion of Doom said...

From rotoworld:

Jose M. Capellan-S- Reds Mar. 12 - 3:52 pm et

Reds claimed LHP Jose Capellan off waivers from the Giants.

The Giants were going to send the Rule 5 pick back to Boston, but the Reds, who had already returned their Rule-5er to Atlanta, opted to step in and take a look at the left-hander. Capellan spent last season in short-season ball, finishing with a 3.69 ERA and a 71/11 K/BB ratio in 75 2/3 innings. He has a chance to be a decent reliever someday, but he's a long ways off. The Red Sox still figure to get him back.
Related: Red Sox, Giants

at 4:53 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

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at 4:57 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

And blogger destroys my comment, here's to trying again--
Capellan makes little to no sense to me. All it says to me is that the veteran lefties haven't impressed much this spring, and they must be concerned about Bray's health. Chances are Boston would not accept a trade that would allow the Reds to keep this guy, seems to be a halfway talented ballplayer.
Also doesn't make sense when considering the 40 man. If he makes the team, gonna have to cut someone to allow Bruce, Cueto, Patterson, or Hairston to make the team, as I believe the 40 man roster is now full.

at 5:07 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Mercker and Stanton haven't wowed you? Geez, whata surprise there. They are both nearly done.. I am guessing they both retire at the end of the season, and frankly Mercker doesn't belong on a major league staff at this point in his career.

The fact Mercker and Stanton and a guy like Majewski are still in the mix should make it painfully clear we need to stockpile as many young arms as we can find.

at 5:08 PM Blogger Aaron said...

And yea of course Bray's shoulder and arm is an issue. He has been hurt constantly for the past 3 seasons.

at 5:09 PM Anonymous Noggy said...

Young left-hander with good stats.....what's the catch. There's something you're not telling us Fay.

Work your magic and figure out why two teams would pass on this guy.

at 5:10 PM Blogger NVreds said...

hey they're just taking a look at the kid...lay off a little

the phillips trade probably made as much sense when it happened

There's a jose capellan thats pitched in the bigs the last few yrs, I'm assuming this isnt him. yeah he's a RH...and not 21 lol

at 5:18 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

Aaron I haven't seen anyone pitch this spring. I was referring to how the guys that matter in the Reds organization felt about their left handed options. Also makes me think they are gonna put Affeldt into the rotation to start the year, if they are still trying to find lightning in a bottle to fill that LH relief role with 3 weeks left until camp breaks.

And Nv-It's not so much bashing the move, its that it means right now they aren't too impressed with their current options, which concerns me a little.

at 5:34 PM Blogger NVreds said...

it doesn't mean they aren't impressed with what they got. definately doesn't mean that. its just one of those small moves that doesn't hurt the club, and may end up helping it. personally I do these moves every time, might as well, kriv does this all the time, don't read too much into it.

at 5:37 PM Blogger NVreds said...

did claiming drew anderson mean they weren't impressed with their LH OF options?

at 5:39 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

They should keep fogg no matter what(Starter or Bullpen).He's a veteran that has post season pedigree & when you look at the numbers he matches up with Arroyo,(if not slightly better)Better than Belisle, & more experience than some of the other guy's in the bullpen.

If he get's 100,000 for just playing ST,that would of been a waste of money.Get something out of him for a 1,000,000(Which is a deal for a pitcher of his caliber) and add some bullpen depth,veteran experience, & a spot starter if needed.

Fogg & Affedlt should be on the team,Not saying they are the answer,but add depth in the bullpen for those 3 reason's alone

at 5:44 PM Blogger NVreds said...

yanks rays get into brawl in spring training...awesome

I love this game

at 5:46 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

I believe this is the 4th time Kriv has done this, and it worked out pretty well twice obviously with Hamilton(Volquez) and Burton. And I don't believe Drew Anderson was a rule V pick, so that does not apply here. My only point is that the Reds have to see something in this kid and not see a whole lot in their current options to even bother.

at 5:57 PM Blogger Athens, Ohio said...

A guy like Tom Shearn wins us three games last September, and almost a fourth, and he's not in the running to start? How come he isn't getting more innings?

at 6:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because Tom Shearn is a terrible pitcher. If he starts any games for anyone then their season is in the tank.

at 6:03 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Or what happens when Bobby Livingston comes back in mid to late summer.He's a LH with a lot of upside.

at 6:05 PM Blogger NVreds said...

shearn was a great story, but he would be a terrible starter. he had tons of run support when he pitched (anyone wanna recall the wins are overrated rants earlier today??)

we have way better options

at 6:11 PM Blogger NVreds said...

I really liked livingston. he has a little upside, but he'd probably only turn into a 4or5 guy, which isnt bad. his stuff isnt great, but he had great make-up, and doesnt beat himself out there, something thats rare for a rookie. I'm rooting for him.

at 6:16 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

NV-He's wasn't a rookie.He had a little time in the show with Seattle

at 6:17 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say Bobby Livingston has alot of upside. He is the type of pitcher that has to pitch to contact and hope that they hit the ball to where his fielders are positioned. He does not have over powering stuff...and that was before the injury...


at 6:19 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Yet, he(BL) pitched low scoring,if not shut out baseball(Not all the time),kept his team in the game, & guess what he get's on base,scores runs, & knows how to bunt.

at 6:33 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

I like the stats, good K to BB rate and nice to see a pitching line with less hits than innings pitched. What does he throw? So to keep him the he must be on the 25 man roster right?

at 6:41 PM Blogger NVreds said...

redd - correct, I was wrong. For a young guy then, he reminded me of maddux or glavine, which is some good praise.

Not only can he bunt, this guy can hit. I think he had a game where he was like 3 for 4. he'd probably rack a .220-.240 avg if he played all season (maybe more). he knew what he was doing at the plate.

at 6:43 PM Blogger NVreds said...

I'm not comparing him to maddux/glavine he's not that good. he just reminded me because he pitches like a control pitcher w/o the good stuff

at 7:00 PM Blogger Matt said...

Livingston would be a spot call up for an injured starter. I liked his demeanor and of course hitting but he'd have to really be ON to be effective in the majors in the long term. I'm proud of him and Shearn but these are guys that are emergency choices with the crop we have now. I could see Livingston coming back and being effective in relief.

at 7:01 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

But he has "good stuff".He pitched really well last ST,got sent down AAA.

I was at his 1st or 2nd spot start at Coors field.The only Game out of 3 game stand that the reds won.He pitched a shut out, I was sitting homeplate 1st row, & yes, this one time I agree with Juliack,jackelope, whoever they are.Yes,when at the game,sitting behind HP,you can really see the game for what it is.

I saw some very "creative" pitches that shut out a very Good hitting team.

at 7:21 PM Blogger NVreds said...

i guess "w/o the great stuff" is what I meant, he's got the stuff necessary to be a good starter in the bigs. I was real disappointed when he got hurt last yr, I loved this guy to tell you the truth, I remember thinking how critical he was since he was LH and we needed one (and still do). I remember the belisle/livingston battle.

I don't disagree with 'jackjack&jack' on the view from certain places in the park, I disagree with his assessment that I don't know anything (emphasis on anything) because I've never sat there. i bet you watch a fair amount of games on tv(or the computer), so you might agree.

hows the snow in rado? tahoes been fun this yr.

at 7:42 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Livingston was a nice change of pace, a LH that threw slow & precise.Hitters had a hard time figuring him out.

Plus, the guy helped his cause with getting on base & laying down bunts when he was supposed to do.

Belisle got beat out by Livingston,he just got lucky that Livingston got hurt.Shearn was fun to watch,but his stuff; Scrap junk with a ball, not enough to be effective long term in the show.

Snow is great, southern CO base in the mid 100's & the resorts off the I-70 corridor is high 60's-early 70's.Fluffy,deep, soft, & epic as always.

at 7:50 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

I don't see Livingston being able to come back and contribute at all this year. It's not likely he'll be back to full strength until next season. Solid pitcher though, hope he bounces back well and is able to contribute next year. Could make it into the rotation even.

at 8:06 PM Blogger NVreds said...

lineup top 4 for the game today:

look at all that speed! imagine it everday in the bigs....lol, it would be fun to watch everyday, but highly ineffective....

at 8:24 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember that Shearn had 4 quality starts out of his 6 starts? Does anyone remember that he had 2 of those quality starts on the road against playoff contending teams (Brewers and Cubs)and 1 at home against the Mets. You don't play 12 years if you are "terrible". Look at his overall stats in the minors.

at 9:16 PM Blogger NVreds said...

you dont play 12 yrs in the minors before your debut if your any good

at 9:29 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

That sounds like the Astros and Reds fault. If they had any stability in upper management maybe he would have received a shot. They all brought in their own guys. Remember Joe Valentine, Jason Standridge, Josh Hancock and others? Were they better than Shearn? More deserving?

Baseball as political as our everyday office/blue collar jobs?

Why aren't we all CEO's? Not always about deserving or job performance.

at 11:42 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rule 5 observation. You aren't stock piling arms when you have to send the players back and lose $25k in the process.

The 2 pitchers selected:
1. Valenzuela never pitched above A ball, returned to the Braves, and then sold to the Mexican league. Braves made money coming and going off of him.

2. Capellan (WOW!!!) Never pitched above short season A ball. He has spent 4 years in extended spring training and spent 3 years in the Gulf Coast League and 1 year (last) year in the New York Penn league. Numbers don't matter when you repeat these leagues 2 and 3 times.

at 8:38 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys have to remember, this is Cincy, not New York, Krivsky cant just go out and sign all the obvious (and most expensive) talent. Hes just turning over a few rocks to see what crawls out. Its not a bad approach for a small market team. Sometimes its nothing interesting, but once in a while.....

-Kevin in Ft Myers

at 8:50 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:42,

You must expect Krivsky to have a 100% success rate. No GM in history can claim that.

Im not sure you understand modern baseball economics and a franchise like Cincinnati's place in the marketplace. See my last post.

-Kevin in Ft Myers

at 11:35 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Capellan still represents a chance worth taking. It's not like this team is deep in talented, young, AND proven pitching. Good luck Cap.

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