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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Friday, March 14, 2008

Yankees 7, Reds 7

Matt Belisle did not exactly solidify his spot in the rotation with his performance in the tie with the Yankees. (The game was called in the 10th because of rain). Belisle went three innings, allowing seven runs on eight hits. He walked two and struck out one. 62 pitches, 31 strikes.

Josh Fogg, meanwhile, pitched five scoreless innings in the 5-0 win over Brandenton in other game of the split-squad doubleheader.

The competition for the starting rotation seems to be sorting itself out.

"We've still got two weeks to go," Dusty Baker said. "We've got good competition for the couple of spot that are open. We'll let keep pitching. Guys make thedecision for us."

Belisle gave up a double to Derek Jeter and walked Hideki Matsui on five pitches. Not a good move with ARod due up. Belisle paid when ARod hit out to right center.

Reds scored two off Phillip Hughes in their half of the first. Corey Patterson doubled. Juan Castro singled him in. Junior Griffey doubled Castro in.

Belisle gave the run right back. He walked the ninth hitter -- Brent Gardner -- with two outs. Johnny Damon doubled Gardner in.

The Reds added a run in the second as well. Andy Green doubled. Jerry Haiston singled. Patterson got Green home with a single.

It really got ugly for Belisle in the third. He got the first two outs routinely, then gave up five straight hits and three runs.

"He had the two-out blues," Baker said. "He could stop the bleeding."

Green doubled in another run in the third for the Reds.

Kent Mercker, Josh Roenicke, Pedro Viola, Daryl Thompson, Mike Lincoln and Todd Coffey shutout the Yankees out on one hit over the next seven innings.

The Reds tied it with three in the seventh. Jolbert Cabrera drove in the run on groundout. Juan Francisco, the Dayton third baseman last year, doubled in the second run. He's an impressive looking kid. Jerry Hairston singled in Francisco.

The game was stopped by rain one out into the eighth. The delay lasted 21 minutes. When it began to rain again in the 10th, they called it.


110 Comments:

at 1:27 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

As I stated two weeks ago: Belisle doesn't make the opening day roster.

ST CSA

 
at 1:29 PM Anonymous BigRedOne said...

I agree. I have the rotation as the following:

Harang
Arroyo
Fogg
Cueto
Volquez

 
at 1:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like that 5 bigred, except I would put Fogg between Cueto and Volquez, to break up the youngsters. It would also give a change in style. That being said, I'm not sure you want Belisle in the pen. I think you put him in a rotation, either in Cincy or L'ville.

 
at 1:40 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

If Cueto keeps pitching like he has been, he gotta be number in my book.

 
at 1:41 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

sorry, number 3 in the rotation

 
at 1:57 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

John Fay-I saw FSNCN(OH) is going to broadcast a couple more ST games, could you please list the dates & times???

 
at 2:01 PM Anonymous redsneedpitching said...

so I'm reading the spring training report, and on the side is a "hamilton update"

wtf, I come here for reds news, not rangers news. If I care what his stats are I'll go to the box scores at mlb.com. I come here to read about the reds, he's not on this team anymore. hell there's more about his stats than any other player on that page.

"reds spring training report" not "rangers spring training report"

this is beginning to get really annoying

 
at 2:03 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

Cin-Pit 0-0 after 2. Fogg throwing groundball outs. Got himself into trouble though with 2 out in the
2nd with a walk, then a SB, and a throwing error by catcher Bako. Fogg then hit the next hitter sleeve, putting runners on 1st and 3rd, before getting a grounder to SS for the final out.

 
at 2:05 PM Anonymous firefly118 said...

You can pencil in Belisle as the #4 starter! He has more MLB experience than our young guys and although Fogg may make the team, he will not be in the rotation.

Belisle made the rotation even before the first day of camp. To many people want him there!

 
at 2:06 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

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at 2:10 PM Anonymous redsneedpitching said...

the ST training report actually has a box score at the bottom, i got too angry to see that, so there are more reds stats. still the love affair for hamilton is borderline pathetic, and he should be left off the "reds" ST report

 
at 2:11 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

Cin 2 Pit 0 after 2 1/2

 
at 2:13 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Monday, 1:05 v. Detroit
Monday, March 24, vs. Blue Jays, 7:05.

That's it for the spring TV sked.

 
at 2:13 PM Blogger Matt said...

Belisle's gotta be one of those things that Dusty said was set in stone but became unset.

 
at 2:17 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really hope Belisle doesn't make the rotation out of spring.

 
at 2:25 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

this darn team will be lucky to get to .500 starting pitching has not improved one iota

 
at 2:31 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Major league "experience" means nothing if you can't get anyone out.

Send Belisle to St Louis and reunite him with Kyle Lohse. Plus, it keeps him in the division so Reds batters can face him more often.

 
at 2:43 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

sounds like belisle still doesnt pitch well w/ runners on base

 
at 2:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

fogg pitched good again, real good (of course its against the rats, mlb's punchline)

 
at 2:46 PM Blogger redbeard said...

It is time for the Reds to go with the young kids. Move Affeldt to the bullpen where he can be a valuable lefty and go with the kids in the rotation. It should look like this:

Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Bailey
Volquez

The Reds may take some lumps with the kids learning to pitch at the big league level and specifically in GABP. But I'd rather see that than a bunch of veteran re-treds getting roughed up every fifth day.

Go with the talented young arms it worked for the Tigers the last couple of years and it could work in Cincy too.

--Redbeard

 
at 2:46 PM Blogger Brandon said...

Gonna have to disagree with our starting pitching not improving one iota. How about Cueto and Voltron. Plus I know its Fogg but he has had a decent spring sitting at a 2.25 ERA after 4 innings today. This looks a little better then last years does it not?

Harang Harang
Arroyo Arroyo
Cueto Milton
Fogg Lohse
Volquez Belisle

I think its looking a lot better myself.

 
at 2:48 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

Fogg goes 5 scoreless innings with 3 hits, 3ks 1bb. 2-0 Reds top of 6

 
at 2:52 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Not looking good for Homer or Belisle.Someone is going back to AAA & one of them are going to go to the bullpen.

Anon 1:25-The pitching hasn't changed,Have you been keeping up w/ Cueto & Voltron?Patience my friend, Dusty know's what he's doing.

I wasn't big on the Dusty signing,but I like to be proven wrong.Dusty is a good manager,he know's baseball, & He is liked & respected by his players,coaches, & bosses.I think he is the right guy to tell pre-madonna players like Griff & Dunn to set an example,don't lolly gag, play hard, & it will show throughout the team.

The only thing Mantle & Hamilton have anything in common is:

1.Both bat/batted LH
2.Both have/had addictions that were hurtful to their careers.
3.Both were/are Hurt alot
4.They both had/have Blonde hair


Besides that nothing in common.Please quit comparing a HOF'er to a guy(Who I will still root for and hope the best for,because he is a solid ballplayer & a good person) that has 1 year of major league service & couldn't even complete that without being off the D.L, he missed like 70 games.This trade will pan out for both team's,but I still think the red's come out on top.

 
at 2:52 PM Blogger Brandon said...

Also I said it last year and will say it again. Bailey need to learn some more control. He is to used to the guys he pitched to being overpowered and having a BB/K ratio of 1 to 1 was ok. But when you walk 4 guys a game in MLB in 5 innings teams are going to burn you. He has to get that control down.

 
at 3:04 PM Anonymous BigRedOne said...

I was going to flip Fogg and Cueto but was too fast on the trigger before I got to. My rotation as of today:

Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Fogg
Volquez

 
at 3:05 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

Is it just me or has it seemed that Dunn (who started with an awesome Spring) and Votto both have not hit well since Dusty told them to be more aggressive at the plate?

John, have you noticed anything different in their hitting approach since then?

 
at 3:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last couple of games have made Dusty's decisions easier. Neither Belisle or Affeldt have had a marginally decent outing. Affeldt to the pen for sure and I think Belisle to Lousiville if he has options. Fogg it is in the rotation.

 
at 3:20 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Redleggs, Please don't tell me to be patient nor am I your friend. Not even a single game has been played so dont tel;l me that our starting pitching has improved, you do not know this. You were the same blogger that was telling us that Affeldt was going to be a "stud".. You change your mind daily.

I am not getting into this Hamilton debate but if he does stay healthy he has even more talent than a Mickey Mantle and others. The scouts even referred to him as such

 
at 3:21 PM Blogger Joel said...

john,
does belisle have options left? if so, i could see him and bailey starting the year in AAA and coming up when the inevitable injury occurs to one of hte starters. i like

harang
arroyo
cueto
fogg
volquez

it looks like the youngins start in AAA

 
at 3:22 PM Anonymous BigRedOne said...

There is a nice article about Volquez and Cueto by Ken Rosenthal on foxsports.com today. Ken states how Volquez and Cueto are the talk of all the teams in spring training. Finally respect for the Reds!

 
at 3:23 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

My rotation:

Soto
Seaver
Harang
Gullett
Rijo

Pen:

Borbon
Dibble
Charleton
Meyers
Service
Eastwick
Sullivan

I live in a fantasy world in which my rotation is based on players I have seen play.

 
at 3:23 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk is cheap .

 
at 3:23 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talk is cheap .

 
at 3:24 PM OpenID sportshandicapper said...

Big "I told you so" on Belisle not belonging in the rotation. I'm glad he didn't wait until the games started counting to re-demonstrate his lack of belonging.

How could anyone have believed all the offseason talk about how he was going to be our #3 behind Harang and Arroyo? That was beyond absurd.

And I'm really glad Cueto doesn't appear ticketed to start the season at AAA. He's more likely than Bruce or Votto to be Rookie of the Year. I expect Cueto and Volquez to be our #3 and #4 starters in the playoff rotation :)

I still like Bailey in the rotation more than Fogg, but Fogg was very impressive down the stretch with Colorado. I'd keep Fogg around, but Belisle should definitely be stored at Louisville. I'd probably give Shearn a call-up before Belisle.

 
at 3:24 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

I agree with everyone Fogg is in,Belisle & Baliey out.Bailey need's to work on control,more upside than downside with him,He just needs more seasoning.Belisle should be producing by now,he's had chance after chance to win a job outright,either in the pen or the rotation.He keep's beating himself & I have a feeling it won't be to much longer when the Franchise decides to cut it's losses on him.His back injuries,inconsistent pitching, & tired arm are reason enough

Still 2 weeks left of ST though,Thing's change.(Injuries,Bad outings,good outings,trades,etc...)

 
at 3:26 PM Blogger John Fay said...

I haven't notice any big difference in the approach of Dunn or Votto. Both took called tihrd stirkes in last two games, so they aren't being over aggressive.

Belisle has an option.

 
at 3:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Redleggs you are the same dude that was telling everyone that Affeldt was going to be a stud, I agree with that other poster

Bob
Troy Ohio

 
at 3:39 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

I have been a big Belisle fan, but realize that he needs to improve on the stretch and concentration to limit the big inning.

I would not think that the ML bulpen would be a spot for a guy who has trouble from the stretch.
AAA for Matt is not a bad thing. There are guys playing better than he is, namely Fogg, and we used more than 5 starters last year.

Put the best guys in the rotation. Don't throw away the others, keep developing them. It has taken EE a few years to become a ML 3rd baseman.

 
at 3:42 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

I don't see where everyone has said that Fogg is in.. Belisle and Bailey are out.

I don't see where it matters, behind Harang, the parts are interchangeable

Reagan sometimes players simply don't have what it takes and we cant always stay in the developmental mode

 
at 3:42 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Anon 2:20-I have an idea who you really are behind that anon veil.Your word's give you away.

Ok,So I'm not your friend.I was just being kind with both of us being red's fans.It's shame you really have to be so negative though. They say "Patience is a virtue",not for everyone I guess.Impatience is exactly the solution,good idea.

The reds should of hired you & your imaginary scouting team,Impatience & fantasy is not the solution,Real baseball knowledge is.

I NEVER said Affeldt was a stud or should be in the rotation.I said Bailey was a STUD & he should be in the rotation.Please, if your going to call me out for my comments,get it right!!!Geesh.I like Homer & root for him,It just seems his last outing proven he needs more work.People can be wrong, Maybe,Even you sometimes.Results speak volume.I'm what's best for the team.

 
at 3:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: My rotation:

Soto
Seaver
Harang
Gullett
Rijo

Pen:

Borbon
Dibble
Charleton
Meyers
Service
Eastwick

I'd definitely have Clay Carroll in there and not Service. Carroll was probably their best reliever during the early 70's. There have been a lot better relievers than Scott Service through the years, including Brantley and Graves, for sure.

 
at 3:47 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

Redleggs, in fact you told us before Affeldts last outing that we would see the real "stud" and that he was going to blow everyone away. If you are now saying that you claimed Bailey was a stud, your pitching coach skills are not very keen

 
at 3:49 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

I think the Reds SS would beat the Reds SS today.

Jack is about 500 on a good day, but the facts and stats don't matter as long as he can bash the Reds (except Kepp), Red Fans and then say he is a realist.

The Reds open up a 6 game lead in the Central and Jack is headed south of the boarder with Ms. Julie.

He will be "Senor Jack in Tampico"... "expert on Mexican League Baseball!" Nurse Julie will sell the best fish tacos on the East Coast

 
at 3:50 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Why bother with optioning Belisle? Unless you just need a starter at AAA. How many chances does one guy get? I am tired of his act, send him away along with Majewski, Coffey and Bray.

ST CSA

 
at 3:51 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

Redleggs by the way did you get a chance to check out comparable crime statistics for Cincinnati and Denver..aside from capital murder..ALL major crimes ARE HIGHER in Denver Get you facts straight dude

 
at 3:52 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

lets not attack the blogger reagan..if you have something to say about Julie tell her to her face ..then run dude

love and respect Jack

 
at 3:54 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

I agree Cheviot it gets nauseous after a while..If people want a winner here its time to say goodbye to the losers and that includes Freel

Next year with no Ken Griffey and an extra 12 million we will do even better

 
at 3:54 PM Blogger Ron said...

John,
Can you provide some information on Rosales. He's hitting .346 for the spring, playing several positions, but isn't getting any mention in the utility competition. Is he a minor league player who's receiving some time with the big boys or is he a real contender? Doesn't seem to be much about him on the net.

 
at 4:00 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Cease and desist on the back and forth personal stuff.

 
at 4:01 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

reagan..I like Harang, Encarnacion, Phillips, Keppinger, Hopper, Dunn, Cordero, Votto, and Arroyo to a certain degree. I am a realist and as I have always maintained I will be thrilled if this team plays .500 ball

But you want to know something..I dont care how they play..We love going to the ballpark, drinking our water and listening to Marty and Jeff on the radio

 
at 4:04 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Rosales is 24. The Reds like him enough that he won't make the team as a utility player. He'll be the everyday SS at Chattanooga is my guess.

 
at 4:04 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Bob in troy,oh I mean Jack,Julie,jackelope, or Anon 2:20_

Please get your fact's straight,like Straight St. in Cincy.I never said Affedlt was a stud,that he should be in the rotation,or he was a great signing have always said Homer was a stud & he should be in the rotation for seasoning.Let him take his lumps in the show,but after his last outing,I now think he should be in the pen to do that & give Fogg the nod for the rotation.Fogg just has more experience & his result's in ST show that.he's a solid veteran with post season experience & at the price,why not start him

One of my main complaints is NO LH stud pitcher for the Rotation & NEVER did I say Affeldt was the answer.I actually said he would not even make the cut(for the rotation) & probably will be used out default as the sole LH starter.I also said I was not pleased with that.The LH stud pitcher spot still needs to be filled & It's not happening this season.

This was also said(Homer in the rotation) early in ST before Cueto & Voltron stepped in to change my mind.I have never seed Voltron pitch,I have heard plenty about Cueto,Both are having tremendous ST's & Bailey is not.You don't know for sure till you see for yourself & results speak for themselves.

If your going to diss,atleast get it right!!!!!

 
at 4:08 PM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

Redleggs .. you told us the other evening that we would see the real Affeldt and told us to watch him "blow the players away"..

Redleggs you even made comment the next day admitting such and told us we all make mistakes.

Again, you suggesting that Affeldt and Bailey would be significant shows a lack of keeness on your part

Fogg may be experienced but hes a .500 pitcher

 
at 4:11 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John,
Regarding Affeldt's and Belisle's last outings, isn't this about the time in spring training when pitcher's get "dead" arms? I mean, is anyone going to panic of Harang gets rocked next time out?
Or Arroyo? Cueto?

ajaxonford

 
at 4:16 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way John, I feel for you. I'm sure your editors mandate that you do this blog, and then to have to put up with all of the sophomoric arguing of some of these regular posters....

ajaxonford

 
at 4:19 PM Blogger Matt said...

My feeling with Rosales is that he should go to AAA despite his successes but I think he projects better than a sub in the long run. He's pretty well rounded but the clock won't start on him until September I bet, provided he handles AAA.

It's nice to see a lot of offensive production from the minor leaguers today and through spring. Griffin's 3 for 4 now. Valaika, Francisco, and Henry are showing the Reds have a lot of prospects with real promise, not to mention Roenicke and Viola.

Brad Salmon's starting to earn some love. I feel bad for Belisle having to face the Yanks (while Fogg gets the Bucs SS edition) but the central will have some heavy hitters too so Dusty won't cut him much slack there. I might use that last option on him.

 
at 4:22 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Dude,your in fantasy world again.Time for your medication.

Please look in the archives and show me where I said Affeldt was a stud,the solution, or anything like that.

You can't,because I never said that.Get you fact's straight

I did say Bailey was a stud & that he should be in the rotation.Then I said I was wrong,he needed more seasoning.Still think he's a stud,just need's more seasoning in the bullpen.let him take his lumps there.

Your a old & tired story dude,get a life,get a job,get off the medication,get off the couch, & get real.

 
at 4:24 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Here's litle advice from your moderator: When you start out a comments with another person's name, it's likely to be an attack on that person.

So just stop. I'm sooooooo tired of arguments about who is right. Stop it. No one cares.

 
at 4:25 PM Blogger Fkdrad said...

John;
Pedro Viola arrived on the big club radar today. He moved from Dayton to Sarasota to Chattanooga rapidly last summer. After today he deserves more of a look with the big club. Andy Green has certainly had to open some eyes with his hitting and fielding as well. Adam Rosales is behind Janish and young Castro as shortstop-he may be at 2nd somewhere ?

 
at 4:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You here that, kcaj ni eulb hsa, nobody cares. Get off the high horse.

 
at 4:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I meant to say "hear"....before I'm attacked on the blog. ha.

 
at 4:38 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I meant to say "hear"....before I'm attacked on the blog. ha.

 
at 4:55 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

I just don't like someone saying I said something, when I know damn well I didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was talking baseball,then someone out the abyss of confusion decided they wanted to say I said something I didn't

I know I'm right & the archives will prove that.I'm a man of my word & I'm man enough to say when I'm wrong.In this case I'm not wrong.I never said Affedlt was a stud & I never would say that.Get your fact's straight.

 
at 5:00 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

REddlegg in CO,Exit stage left.

Go redlegs 08',prove all the haters drinking haterade wrong this season.let'em drink water,eat stale pretzels, & be negative somewhere else.

 
at 5:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I said it last year, and I will say it again. Belisle is not a starter and is a better bullpen guy. I am so happy to see how good Cueto has become. The one non-Reds guy who said Cueto is the ace of the team now seems a little out of place, but still the kid can pitch it sounds like.

I think I will go get a Blogger login as well.
Adrian

 
at 5:10 PM Blogger BATSFAN said...

Hey John how did the Bats game go today against Norfolk? I know they won 4-1 yesturday go BATS! You dont have you but can you give play by play of one minor league spring game this spring training?

 
at 5:19 PM Blogger sarasotaredfan said...

John,


I was at the game today. Didn't Valentin's single in the third score two instead of the one run that was posted on the scoreboard?

 
at 5:19 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not realistic to mix passionate discussions with various personalities and not expect some conflict. It's silly to tell people not to discuss passionately as well. Some people here know what they're talking about, and others want to lead off Corey Patterson. The latter half should expect some ribbing. It might even result in people learning things.

 
at 5:26 PM Blogger Phillip said...

Here's my thoughts on the pitchers who make the cut:

Starters:
Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Fogg
Volquez

Relievers:
Bill Bray
Kent Mercker
Jeremy Affeldt
Jared Burton
David Weathers
Francisco Cordero

Possible 12th:
Josh Roenicke

Bailey and Belisle to AAA to get better command of their pitches.

 
at 5:49 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

As of today, Andy Green is leading the team in 8 offensive categories - games, runs, doubles, homers, total bases, walks, OBP, and slugging % - which is an obscene .840.

How is it that no one ever mentions him?

 
at 5:53 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Hey you guys left out John Franco from your fantasy pitching staff. Gotta find a spot for him, don't you think?

 
at 5:56 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

First off, I'm really sorry John and most everyone else who posts here, some days are better than others.

OK, I'm greatly disappointed in Belisle today and the spring overall. I'll admit that I was one of the few who expected him to get over the hill this year and really contribute. Hopefully by end of spring things will change but he looks to be heading for the bullpen to me now.

Last 3 spots in the rotation:

Cueto (has the lead now and should make it.

Fogg (hey, pitch him against the Pirates at least, they made him look good today)

Fifth Spot???? I'm guessing Bailey right now. Hope he can work out some of his command issues. Actually I don't think anyone has earned this spot yet.

Volquez in the Pen with Affeldt. Belisle in the pen perhaps or in AAA.

I think the 4 and 5 spots are totally up for grabs. By end of the day Monday we should have plenty more to discuss.

And oh, the bullpen has been very impressive for the most part of late.

Thanks John and to you all for the time.

 
at 6:02 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Philip-Mercker & Bray are long shot's.Age & injuires are not helping those two.Coffey & Stanton will be there,just watch.

 
at 6:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fogg in the rotation? Belisle in the rotation? Affeldt in the rotation?

ARGHHHHH. I'm beginning to miss the Bengals already. Yuck

 
at 6:15 PM Anonymous redsneedpitching said...

hamilton compares to mickey mantle?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard, go cry yourself to sleep cuddled up with a texas box score.

 
at 6:24 PM Blogger Steve said...

How many ops are we going to give Belisle? He's getting shelled. Look, he'll get two more starts at least in ST and if he doesn't improve, make a decision.

I don't think management will be so patient this year. Belisle and Magic are on borrowed time IMO.

Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Fogg
Volquez

Affledt to the pen. Belisle as long or spot starter if one of the kids fail. I don't see it with Bailey yet either.

 
at 6:46 PM Anonymous Stan said...

Anyone think that Belisle would have value if packaged with Freel or a prospect? Or does he just get cut?

 
at 7:09 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Belisle, Freel, Hatteburg, Majewski, Coffey, Stanton, McBeth, Bray, Castro and Griffey all have little or NO trade value.

 
at 7:11 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Fogg
Volquez

Yeah baby! Thats what Im talkn about. Great big gahones! (sp?)
Hang em out there and lets see what happens!

I dont know if it will be, but if it is, I know I wont miss a friggn game!

(TV of course) for those of us phony reds fans outside the "sphere of fandom".

Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 7:31 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

a healthy Josh Hamiliton has superior skills than Mickey mantle, ask any major league scout

 
at 7:41 PM Anonymous wanderinredsfan said...

Are you serious? This Mantle-Hamilton comparison has to stop! Its annoying, and it seems that there is only one poster here that believes they are comparable. Question: What scout was able to watch Mantle and Hamilton, to make that comparison? No-one, because Mantle's prime was nearly 50-years ago. If you are going to keep bringing this up again and again then please post the suppossed 'scouts' name so we can all contact this guy and get his personal opinion for the record. I'm willing to bet my '58 Mantle card that he does not exist and that no, I repeat NO, scout would ever say something so preposterous. Your play.

 
at 7:42 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Volquez for a starter spot and Mr. Coffey is doing very well this spring for one of those power arm spots.

John, sooooooo does not have 7 o's :(). I always love the spellcheck guys.

Love your blog. Hate the Cubs

 
at 7:54 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not much interested in the Hamilton/Mantle silliness but the fats should be correct...Mantle was a SWITCH hitter.(Yes, he was better than Pete Rose)

Ed Smith Stadium handled 8000 today and the toilets worked and it was far from "awful". It was pretty good there in fact. Sorry John.

Corey Patterson looks like he came to play.

Votto and Dunn have both looked bad ever since Dusty gave them batting advice. They look awkward and unsure at the plate.

 
at 7:57 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I realy like Hamilton, he aint Mickey Mantle, his skills may be better (how do we know that?)but it doesnt mean hes better or will be even close to the player Mantle was.

Griffey's skill set is better than Aaron's, are you gonna go there too?

How about Arod and Ruth?

Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 8:06 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John
How has Josh Roenicke looked? Does he have a shot to make the club?

 
at 8:20 PM Blogger redfuture said...

John,
Does Belisle have the same 93-95 mph fastball, the slider, the curve that he had last year?

If he does he will be fine, but he does have to put up a couple quality outings to solidify himself.

 
at 8:58 PM Blogger NVreds said...

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at 9:07 PM Blogger NVreds said...

jack quit using the anon posts if your going to be so angry when other people use them. I remember you posting that hamilton/mantle garbage in an earlier post, and I'm pretty sure there aren't two people in this world that think that. this guy has the record for most hrs in the WS. josh has never even been in the postseason. he hasnt even played a full season in the bigs.
thats ridiculous, you ask any ML scout, and they will tell you your crazy.

mantle: best switch-hitter ever, 12 WS, 7 rings, over 500 hrs.
josh: former junkie who couldnt even quit crack to play baseball

 
at 9:10 PM Blogger NVreds said...

the guy has a triple crown. case closed, way better than ham could ever even dream of.

 
at 9:18 PM Blogger Captain D-bag said...

in all seriousness, is using the word "dude" proper blog lingo?

i've seen it used repeatedly tonight and i was just curious, didn't know if people were just fans of "The Big Lebowski" (great movie and totally under rated) or, for you older gents, "Fast Times at Ridgemont High".

i'll hang up and listen to your response.

oh, and go Reds and rah rah rah...ect...ect...ect

 
at 9:46 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to mention, a 13 time all star (played 18 seasons, 13 for 18 is pretty incredible) and 3 time MVP, (and 3 time runner up).

Jack, for the "they have not played a single game" guy who hates optimistic projections, this one sure is a doozy!

KinFM

 
at 9:53 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fast Times at Ridgemont is for older guys? Wow, I fell old all of a sudden and Im a few years younger than Jeff Spicolli (sp?)

LOL HAHAHA

KinFM

 
at 9:54 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

All this silly arguing and puffed-out chest stuff...sounds like kids on the play ground in the third grade, you know the one, where everybody argues and somebody's gonna prove they're right by shouting the loudest and putting down the other guys. Like John said, nobody cares, so why make it so personal? Huh?

All this predicting and horn tooting are so bogus. Take a tip from me. Just sit back and enjoy the competition in spring training like I do every year, with absolutely no interest in projecting anything, let whoever is running the team-this year it's Dusty and Crowd- make their picks and then watch how things go the first few weeks in April. By May 1, we finally have something to discuss intelligently.

Until then it's just a lot of projecting that's deteriorating into childishness. Besides that, nobody on this blog is going to be hired by a big league club for their baseball knowledge, so keep in mind none of you guys is qualified as an expert. Keep the conversation on individual performances by bubble players so far this spring and I'll find it worth reading. Otherwise it's just ranting.

 
at 9:56 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

A couple of other good "dude" movies:

Bill and Ted (1 not 2, 2 was a p.o.s.)

Point Break (another Keanu Reeves film, coincidence)

KinFM

 
at 10:05 PM Blogger redfuture said...

I know that good managers try to identify strengths and leverage them to their advantage. Here is my question though. Why don't they try to identify weaknesses and leverage them to their advantage as well? Here is a scenario that I have in mind. Bear with me. The Red hitters are notoriously deficient versus LH pitching. Also assume that Cueto and Volquez keep doing what they are doing and go into the rotation. Assume further that one of their regular turns comes up against Ted Lily, Rich Hill, Tom Gorzelany, Johan Santana or Cole Hamels. Why not give the young stud an extra day off and plug the spot/long man in to pitch that game instead? Reds more than likely lose that game regardless. Come back the next day with an even fresher Cueto or Volquez against an inferior pitcher. Why allow the young stud to lose a game in which he gives up only 2 or 3 runs? Especially when an off-day is coming up within 5 days to re-sync the rotation and skip the 5th starter entirely. This way the young stud innings are held down a bit plus optimize the team's chances to win. Looks to me like a good way to get a net gain of 2 or 3 more wins on the year. Heck, even one more win could spell the difference.

 
at 10:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:54,

Its just locker room talk, guys busting each others chops, we dont know each other, and cant see each other so we have to comment on each others posts.
No different than guys sitting around a poker table.

It does get pretty personal sometimes and in those cases I totally agree with you.

Tonight a poster made a baseball related observation, about a former Red, some of us think its a little over the top and enjoy telling him so.

As you said its ST and theres not much to do other than speculate, which is basically an opinion based on some degree of insight and knowledge. Our opinions sometimes differ and debate insues.

Even though it gets too personal sometimes, I think most of us (and its usually the same core group), would buy each other a beer if we ran into them.

Dont get discoureged, it gets a little rough sometimes, but there is good baseball talk in between the "entertainment". (Thats how I see it anyway.)

There are some characters on here, Im probably one of them, but hang in there, its a good blog.

Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 10:52 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ive thaught about that myself, especially when your #1 is clearly not as good as theirs.

Concede the first game, slide everyone back a slot and now you have the advantage 4 out of 5 games.

Your idea is a little different but theoretically could work.
Not sure how it would play out in real situations, but sounds plausible.



Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 10:57 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

My version is tailored more for playoff series. During the season #1 matchups are not a given.

KinFM

 
at 12:19 AM Anonymous BigRedMachine said...

This is a bit ridiculous. Cueto has not guarenteed himself the #3 spot on the rotation with a couple good ST outings. I'd love to see him on the team, but a 4 or 5 spot seems a lot more reasonable. Bailey also deserves to be on the team. Sending him back to minors now could really throw him off. He's working his stuff out in Spring Training like he should and his stats still aren't that bad. Here's a rotation

Harang
Arroyo
Fogg
Bailey
Cueto

Bullpen:
Volquez
Bray
Roenicke
Burton
Weathers
Affeldt
Cordero

I'll be happy to argue with anyone who disagrees.

 
at 12:58 AM Blogger Dave said...

So sad - the Reds stink for over half a decade, I move to Florida (back in August), the Bengals show a couple of non-miserable years, and Cincy is suddenly a football only town - I'm ashamed. Let me clear this up for a few folks in football terms, then.

Outfielders = linebackers...they are the all-around athletes and come in many flavors. You can have big, slow, powerful ones like Adam Dunn or David Pollack or you can have small and speedy, like Freel/Hopper or Geathers/Johnson. You can also have all-around, like Griffey or Ray Lewis.

Pitchers are QBs...a good one is invaluable, and they must be a mix of arm strength, leadership, poise, and grit. Everything starts with them and they can't get flustered when the situation around them goes other than as planned. Volquez has mound presence in spades, and he goes after hitters. He needs to work on finishing his curve - he tends to flatten out his arm, rather than snapping it down, and it causes him to "float" the ball up there, rather than really winging it (he still has a C+ to B level curve; start finishing and it would be a consistent B+). Watch the Yankee game on mlb.tv or DVR if you have it - you'll see this. When he gets that pitch figured out, with his A+ fastball and A changeup (which I'd grade an A+ just cuz no one else throws a decent change anymore), he's got 15+ wins on a yearly basis. Give him time, a good pitcher is always worth more than a good outfielder.

We also have Dunn (maybe long term?), Stubbs, Bruce, Hopper (early 30s), Dickerson - we always find good young outfielders, from Davis, O'Neil, and Daniels to Hamilton, Kearns, Bruce, and Dunn - pitching is what we need. As much as I like Josh Hamilton, we're fine without him, and better off with Volquez. If Fogg doesn't lay a brick his next outing or Bailey throw 6 shutout innings, we're looking at:
3. Cueto
4. Fogg
5. Volquez

Now, in a month or two, when Fogg's back to a 4.00 ERA and Homer finally gets pissed off enough to trust his stuff, we'll have the three young studs in there. Meanwhile, Belisle was a good reliever 2 years back. Now that we're not hard up for starters, he's our long relief guy, Coffey and Bray are great for 5th-7th inning work, and for 7th-8th we have Burton and Weathers. If Mercker or Majewski add anything, look out! This is shaping up to be a real, live, big-league staff. It will be nice to remind some folks back in the 'Nati that a consistently well-thrown ball does not have to have points on two ends.

 
at 1:15 AM Blogger NVreds said...

Bailey in AAA will not throw him off.
he's 21, and from what I saw in him last yr and the one game this spring I watched is lots of room for improvement. he has a good FB, is gaining command for it, was able to throw it inside to LH, which is huge for a 21yr old. but his curve is still not where it needs to be, he hangs it it's right down broadway. his change needs work, but that screwball action he had on it was wicked. he needs to work on refining it. Then obviously he needs to cut the walks. its clear he lived off his FB in the minors, and that hurt his development IMO. plus putting him in AAA will probably fire him up to actually work on those things. putting him on the team and him getting shelled has way more potential to throw him off. he'll be in the rotation at some point this yr, but he's NOT ready.

 
at 1:34 AM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Dazed & Confused-Another great dude movie.

New Version Dude movie-Superbad.

I think the red's are going to turn some heads this year,for all the right reasons.Realistic optimism can't hurt.

Catcher & Now maybe even 3rd can start to be debated who mans those positions full time.When A-gon comes back,plays well enough to warrant his position back & EE ain't hitting,then what?is Kepp going to play 3rd or what happens if Freel get's hot,Dusty is going to play who's hitting,expect that.

The Catcher is the most underrated debate on here.Ross & Javy need to be replaced by a stud catcher that can do it all.I would like to see 1 all around catcher & a Defensive backup.Cut the other two, save more money in the long run, & More roster space for a needed pitcher,etc...The 3rd catcher thing get's on my nerves.Reminds me to much of how Narron ran the team.

 
at 1:43 AM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

You can't really be serious about having Pedro Borbon as one of your all time stud relievers are you? Good lord I can remember holding my breath everytime they would call him into the game. There have been alot better Reds relievers over the years than him.
Ted Power, Jeff Shaw, and
Jeff Brently are three that come to mind off the top of my head. Someone mention
Clay "The Hawk" Carrol, now there was someone you could count on. Where have all the great nicknames like that gone?

 
at 1:44 AM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Dude, come on dude."DUDE" are kidding me.This dude is is asking about the word dude.How many dude's do you know that does not use the word dude.You hearing me dude?

DUDE,
Get my drift?

I'll talk to all you dudes & dudettes later,

Dude,Check ya later.

Sooooooo(Using the Fay ooooooo) many ways to use dude.

The bud commercial proved that,Dude

 
at 1:47 AM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

By the way, I would happily take a 500 pitcher for a number 5 spot and I'm betting the Reds would too, as would just about every team in MLB. If Fogg can give this team double digit wins and go 6 to 7 innings, saving the pen, that ain't bad. That'll do, That'll do just fine.

 
at 8:30 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

I was not on this blog last night..but appreciate everyones obsession..too funny..It does appear that some of you need real friends to talk to though

I like Josh Hamilton, we met him, his wife and kids.We loved watching him play. I have no doubt that if the man stays healthy and clean he can become a perennial allstar.

Most current athletes have the skills and talents to surpass the old timers..its not an affront it just the way it is. Ali would have whupped Marciano and Joe Louis.as great as they were

Hamilton is bigger, stronger amd faster than Mickey Mantle, already a better defensive outfielder. And most scouts did, in fact, compare Josh to Mickey Mantle when he was drafted

 
at 8:33 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

NV Reds..all of Baileys pitches were and are all over the place,,nothing has changed

you can keep sending him down to AAA but that aint gonna help his confidence

he should not have been brought up last year

 
at 8:36 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harang
Arroyo
Fogg
Bailey
Cueto

Harang
Arroyo
Fogg
Cueto
Volquez

Either way, its nice to feel like the Reds will be competetive every night on the mound.

Seriously, HB JF JC EV, we have 4 guys for 3 spots and all are better than the 12 different guys we had pitch in those spots last season. Hopefully, the coaching staff will be able to translate their talent into wins.

As long as Belisle or affeldt dont end up in the rotation, im happy.

Im sure most of us agree.

Kevin in Ft Myers

 
at 8:58 AM Blogger Jack in Blue Ash said...

the reds most definitely will not be competitive "every nite" on the mound.

After Harang..its a crapshoot..spring training means nothing

Volquez is 3-11 in the majors the past 3 years with an ERA over 7

Arroyo is from last year..

Fogg is a lifetime .500 pitcher

Cueto has never pitched a game in the majors

 
at 12:02 PM Blogger mentalmidget said...

I have believed for the last year and a half the Belisle is nothing more than a mop-up guy at best. Out of all of Belisle's starts last year, how many were a quality start? Mop-up or Louisville-bound for Belisle!!

 
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