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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008

Cubs 12, Reds 3

Josh Fogg did not retire a batter in the third inning. When he left, it was 7-1 with runners on second and third. The inherited runners scored off Mike Lincoln, as well as another run.

Fogg's line: 2-plus innings, 7 hits, 9 runs, 9 earned runs, 2 walks, 2 Ks.

Fogg has made the Reds' two shortest starters of the year. With Matt Belisle and Homer Bailey pitching well in the minors, you wonder how much longer the Reds will go with him.

The Cubs scored four in the first. Fogg wasn't fooling anyone. The Cubs' four hits were all rockets.

The Reds scored a run in the second when left fielder Mark DeRosa circled Joey Votto's high flyball but came nowhere near catching it. The Wrigley wind can make the best outfielders look bad.

Fogg pitched a 1-2-3 second, but Derrek Lee led off the third with his fifth home run of the year. It got uglier from there.

Fogg left six innings for the bullpen to pitch. Not good when club is two games into a stretch of 16 games in 16 days.

On positive note: Jeremy Affeldt looked really good. Faced seven batters, struck out five.

Minor note: Jay Bruce was a double away from the cycle for Louisville when he was pulled for a pinch-hitter, trying to find out why). Jerry Hairston Jr. has homered also. Unless, the Reds turn it around soon, I'm predicting a Friday shakeup.


at 8:21 PM Blogger JF said...

Fogg vs. Zambrano is not a mismatch? No GM in the world would take F over Z. Get serious!

at 8:23 PM Blogger BuckeyeHoov said...

Looks like another long night.

at 8:25 PM Blogger BuckeyeHoov said...

Homer Bailey can't get here soon enough as far as I'm concerned. He certainly is as good as an option, if not better than Josh Fogg. Fogg is not fooling anyone right now. On that note, could someone please tell me why Todd Coffey is still in a Reds Uni?

at 8:30 PM Blogger 1360 said...

Why is Fogg on this team? Let Homer sink or swim in that slot. I certainly like my chances with him better than Josh "I Must Be Pitching In A" Fogg! Super glad I shelled out $200 for MLB Extra Innings when the Reds are out of it already!!!

at 8:33 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Belisle will be here before Bailey...watch. I would almost place a bet on that.

Fogg is as good as gone.

at 8:33 PM Blogger Ray Kinsella said...

Who here thinks Javy Valentin is the worst catcher in baseball!!

at 8:35 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Easy up, JF, the post was written somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

at 8:41 PM Blogger 1360 said...

Fine...bring Belisle, bring Don Gullett, Jack Billingham, Mario Soto....anyone with a pulse has to be better than Fogg!

at 8:41 PM Blogger BuckeyeHoov said...

The mound has cost us a couple runs over the last few nights. That ball Fogg just hit caught the mound but if it doesn't that is a two run base hit. Last night Keppinger was robbed by the mound too.

at 8:42 PM Blogger Ray Kinsella said...

Like I said. Please ship him and Cough!!ee to the AL.

at 8:53 PM Blogger 1360 said...

Off to watch the democratic debate. How sad is that? I'd rather watch that than the Reds!!

at 8:55 PM Blogger robdicken said...

I'm glad Fogg finds it funny that he's given up 5 runs in 3 innings tonight. I'm glad he thinks its funny to pitch like garbage.

Did anyone else see him laughing about giving the homer up to Derek Lee?

at 9:01 PM Blogger Ray Kinsella said...

Now can we get rid of Josh Fogg?? Or do we have to wait for him to give up 10 runs??

at 9:02 PM Blogger 24/7 said...

fogg looks like we resigned lohse for 1 mil. possibly worse. at least lohse has stuff. i'll say it once again. FOGG CANNOT HELP THIS TEAM.

bailey for fogg
mcbeth for coffey

at 9:04 PM Blogger Roodog said...

Fogg is embarrassing on the "hill" as he's smiling after giving up a jack to D. Lee & then proceeded to load the bases on a hit & two walks. Finally his night is over & hopefully his stint with the Reds. Bring up Homer now!!

at 9:07 PM Blogger mentalmidget said...


Belisle? Are you kidding me? That guy is long relief, period! He has had his chance to start! Check quality starts! How many games has Belisle started? Whats his record as a starter? ERA as a starter?

at 9:08 PM Blogger Roodog said...

Close the book on Fogg! Nine earned runs in 2 innings pitched. Now that is something to laugh about. Hopefully he can keep laughing as he picks up that pink slip!

at 9:12 PM Blogger reds fest said...

He was laughing. He wants Cubs to hit a homer and win. I'm sick of Krivsky's job.

at 9:14 PM Blogger Joe said...

Sad outing for Josh Fogg, don't know how many more they will give him. Thankfully Coffey did not get the call, but it's still early! Belisle or Bailey are looking good right now. How about Thompson in Chattanooga.

These past 5 games have been tough to listen to. I hope it improves soon, my ears are hurting.

at 9:16 PM Blogger JF said...

Wiiiiiiiild Pitch.

I'm going to have fun laughing at Dusty fans all year long here.

Oh sure, he's not pitching but still...did Dusty's expression change between run 1 and run 10 tonight?

Of course not!

George Romero would be proud.

Brains! Braiiiiiiiiins!

at 9:17 PM Blogger nhelmstetter said...

robdicken: I saw him laughing...the only thing worth laughing about is the way he pitched. After seeing in the pre-game show on FSN what Belisle and Bailey have done in AAA, we won't be seeing Fogg much longer...hopefully anyway.
How about bringing Jerry Hairston up as a righty off the bench and getting rid of the one-dimensional Juan Castro? If you really miss Castro's bat I'm sure one of the pitchers could take his place.

at 9:19 PM Blogger Greg said...

fogg always laughs off poor outings... "i just didn't have it tonight... oh well... just go out to the next one"

the "oh well" not exactly what you want to hear from a piss poor outing from a below ave. pitcher

at 9:22 PM Blogger Redsfansince72 said...

Hope Wayne is worried about his job.. he DIDNT fix the Right handed hitting part of this team.. he traded Hamilton who could hit and we get to watch Dunn walk or strikeout.. no clutch hitting.. no emotion on the field.. a "who cares- i-got-paid attitude!!!

at 9:22 PM Blogger Ellie said...

wow get rid of fogg and call up homer bailey. Also we need to eathier trade for a right hand bat or sign mike pizza if we want any chance and guys i think its about time to call up the best prospect in baseball.

at 9:23 PM Blogger Greg said...

i'm beyond done with watching the most lazy catcher in all of baseball (opinion... maybe fact...) i'm tired of him just reaching across his body at a ball instead of doing the right thing and moving his whole body in front... tends to make your pitcher feel a little more confident too... they don't have to pitch a perfect ball to know their receiver is going to do his job.... block and catch the ball!

at 9:23 PM Blogger Dan H said...

Boy has this been one ugly game so far. They best halt this skid soon. You usually can't win a pennant in April but you sure can take yourself out of contention. Its time for Belisle, he has earned his shot in the minors onhis rehab. Also Bray can do no worse than Coffey. And finally, how about moving Keppinger to lead off and dropping patterson down to 6 or 7.

at 9:31 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Belisle? Are you kidding me? That guy is long relief, period! He has had his chance to start! Check quality starts! How many games has Belisle started? Whats his record as a starter? ERA as a starter?

Woah woah woah, man! I agree with you! I was just being sarcastic, that's all.

at 9:31 PM Blogger dmiller9500 said...

There's a few guys I don't ever need to see in a Red's uniform again. Todd Coffey, Josh Fogg, Javy Valentin, and Juan Castro can collect their pay checks else where. I really don't care how the Reds get rid of them or who they replace them with, I just want them gone. I honestly believe Valentine is the worst defensive catcher to ever play the game.

at 9:36 PM Blogger brad_combs said...

The best line of the night comes from Chris Welsh. He's offered to shave his mustache if the Reds come back in this one.

at 9:39 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...


I did see him laughing,what a joke of a pitcher.That alone would of been it for me.Get him outta of here.I was a supporter in early ST but 15 earned runs in 3 games.Come on.(Please refrain from the paste & comment post,it gets annoying.I'm not debating with you,just agreeing)

There is reason for people to panic,losing 5 games in a row.The hitting looks horrid,the pitching is getting rocked, the lineups look like Narrons, & WK is sitting red in the face I imagine.BC has got to be pissed,I know I am.

Go AHEAD Jack,let your gloating begin,Feels good to be right.

Alot of holes in the ship.

CF,lead off, The bullpen is starting to falter, the starting pitching; medoicore at best, the LH hitting problem,the catcher issue,EE/Coffey/ Griffey / Dunn under achieving, The base running looks bad,terrible bunting, The RISP avg, , anything else I'm missing.

They can hide these issues to a certain degree in ST,but once the season starts it all comes out into the blue.Not Looking good,I'm very concerned.A losing slump now is not what this team needs.

J.leyland on PTI today, He admitted in yelling at his team to get them fired up,saying it's like telling children to hear you just not listen to you.Calling out guys & that team is stacked with stars.That takes gusto as a manager,wonder how Griff would take that?Guess what, it worked too!!!!

Manager of the Durham Bulls from the movie Bull Durham-
You Catch the ball
You Throw the ball
You hit the damn ball

at 9:40 PM Blogger Scott said...

Coffey should be sent to the minors.

Fogg to the pen.

Bailey called up -- we already know what Belisle can do -- he will be similar to Fogg. Let Bailey learn at the MLB level -- he can't do worse than Fogg or Belisle as a starter.

Call up Jay Bruce & release someone/trade someone...

at 9:43 PM Blogger Dan H said...

Just checked the Louisville box score and noticed Bruce was pulled for a pinch hitter in the 7th even though he was going for the cycle. Score was only 6-4 Louisville, any significance to that?

at 9:44 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

This is so ugly, and very upsetting.

A week ago, it was "at least they are pitching well, when the bats heat up..."

Now it is painfully clear, that Arroyo and Fogg are unreliable at this point.

Im hoping Bronson can improve, I like him (when hes not singing). I know people will say "aside from a few mistake pitches" but the problem is, when he gets hit he really gets hit.

Fogg is either not bad or not good but never really good. Ill have to look at his splits to see if hes a second half guy or something.

Maybe these guys are the type that have to have run support to win.

I sure hope Dusty's going to earn his money soon, because this team is digging a hole, and they dont have the players to dig themselves out if it gets deep.

at 9:45 PM OpenID PJFan821 said...

Heres my moves:
1. Fogg goes to long relief, Belisle to his starting spot, DeCaff=GONE. Bailey is the next option down the line with Fogg going bye bye and Belisle moving to long relief.
2. Trade Hatte and Freel...Get some sort of Right Handed Batting Help, hopefully a 3B to back up and be prepared to take over EE...I think EE will be fine, question is when.
3. And then everyone on these forums needs to realize that this team is not designed to win in 2008, 2009 maybe....2010 definitly.
And give Dusty sometime before we judge. Hes got a big mess to clean up from the previous 4 managers and two GMs.

at 9:46 PM Blogger robdicken said...

The best line of the night comes from Chris Welsh. He's offered to shave his mustache if the Reds come back in this one.

Chris Welsh is actually pretty darn good if he's not in the booth with George Grande. George Grande just NEVER shuts up.

at 9:54 PM Blogger lonesome red said...

Can anyone explain why the Reds bunt SOOOO much. Patterson attempted 2 bunts so far. Why? In the 1-0 loss to Pittsburgh, runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out. Instead of swinging for a flyball to sac. the run in, Hopper bunts into double play. Later on in the same game, runner on 2nd, nobody out. The next 2 batters come up swinging away and do nothing to advance the runner. Horrible managing. I was willing to give Baker a shot but these sort of stupid decisions make me already give up on this season.

at 9:56 PM Blogger Ray Kinsella said...

Is it me, or do the Red's bats look sloooooow. Especially Grif, Dunn and EE, WOW. I just don't see anyone with a quick bat...except Zambrano.

at 9:58 PM Blogger mentalmidget said...


My man, I too, have been a Reds fan since 1972 (completely, technically since 1971). We've seen the best (I have the 1975 World Series box set) and the worst of our beloved Cincinnati Reds! Your Dunn, "who cares, I get paid", attitude is right on the money! His mentor is Griffey Jr.!!! He has the same attitude! I hate it! We were spoiled with the likes of Rose, Griffey, Morgan, Perez, Bench, Foster, Conception, Geronimo & pitcher. The BEST BASEBALL TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF PROFESSIONAL BASEBALL! I'll argue that subject any time of the day, 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week!!

at 9:58 PM Blogger reds fest said...

If Fogg to the pen, does he cause their meltdown? We don't need him anymore...

at 10:04 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

No gloating here...this team will do slightly better than last years team

There are..and have been some serious issues with this team and they have raised their ugly head during this road trip

You want to change the losing..change the people that have been there while the team lost

Quit making excuses for and defending these individuals

at 10:08 PM Blogger dmiller9500 said...

Hopper couldn't hit a sac fly from second base.

at 10:21 PM Blogger dmiller9500 said...

I'll say it again. Javy Valentine is the worst defensive catcher in the history of the game.

at 10:23 PM Blogger robdicken said...

No gloating here...this team will do slightly better than last years team

There are..and have been some serious issues with this team and they have raised their ugly head during this road trip

You want to change the losing..change the people that have been there while the team lost

Quit making excuses for and defending these individuals

Pete and Repeat were rowing a boat down the river. Pete fell off, who was left?

at 10:25 PM Blogger 24/7 said...

only jack could turn a talk about fogg and coffey bleeding runs into an opportunity to blame dunn and griff for this swoon. whether they're hitting now or not, they can flat out hit. it's the other guys sans harang that you have to worry about. talk about getting homer bailey and marcus mcbeth up here to keep a team that ain't hitting right now in ballgames.

at 10:26 PM Blogger GLJax said...

This team is terrible. Fat , lazy players. If they can't hit, get them out of here. Wait a minute, they can't do anything... They suck!

at 10:36 PM Blogger Dave said...

mentalmidget at 8:58 says IT ALL - nothing to add, except:
Both paid astronomically but, apparently, not enough to actuualy work out a little or be a positive leader.
Where will they be next year? I'll bet against whichever lucky team that is.

at 10:41 PM Blogger INDYREDFAN said...

can someone explain to me why hopper is not the everyday starter at Cf

at 10:45 PM Blogger AReds83 said...

In an attempt to remain positive, I will say that it's good to see Votto with a couple hits, and maybe even Dunn is coming around. It's kinda funny, I was just wondering yesterday how the Reds were going to fit Belisle back into the rotation and it looks like Fogg is volunteering his spot.

at 10:50 PM Blogger Emilio said...

The Reds have got to come up with an excuse to put Fogg on the DL! A hangnail! A bunyon! Bad hair day! I don't care just get him out of the rotation. He wouldn't make the Dayton squad as a janitor! (no direspect intended to any janitors out there as it is a noble profession)

Either DL him or get rid of him in some other way. Affeldt has looked like a completely different pitcher since the team broke camp. Belisle and Bailey have been mowing everybody down in the minors. Come on, Reds!!?? If I were to somehow (GOD forbid!) lose the use of my arms...I'd still pitch better than Fogg!

That said, I agree with you John...a shake up is coming. Cabrera and Hairston have been hitting well in the minors and, as you wrote previously, give the Reds some better right-handed bats off the bench. If they put Affeldt in the rotation and put Fogg out to pasture, they could perhaps bring up Bray, although I must confess, that I have not checked to see how he has done recently.

Belisle or Bailey are perhaps better options.

at 10:53 PM Blogger INDYREDFAN said...

can someone explain to me why hopper is not the everyday starter at Cf

at 1:02 AM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Hopper is not in the lineup because all he does is bunt.He's one dimensional & it's to predictable.I would count on seeing hopper in AAA here soon.Maybe a Jay Bruce call up.I'd swap Hops for Bruce in a heartbeat.

at 6:41 AM OpenID PJFan821 said...

Who gets to 600 first....Griffey or A Rod? I got my money on A Rod!

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