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Tuesday, April 29, 2008

Cardinals 7, Reds 2

The Reds kept Albert Pujols from hurting them. He went 0-for-4.

The rest of lineup is 15-for-34, however, including 8-for-13 off Johnny Cueto.

Johnny Cueto's sixth start was by far his worst. He went 1 2/3 innings, allowing seven runs (six earned) on eight hits. They hit some rockets off him. It's hard to tell much from the press box -- it's right about even with the top of arch.

"He was throwing well but he wasn't locating well," Dusty Baker siad. "Too many balls over the heart of the plate and up."

Sleep fast, as Jack McKeon would say, first pitch tomorrow is 12:15 St. Louis time. the game is on FSN Ohio. A rarity for weekday day games.


49 Comments:

at 10:26 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Jorge Cantu 3 more hits tonight.
St CSA

 
at 10:30 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Is Ryan Freel the new baserunning coach?
ST CSA

 
at 10:36 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Perhaps the worst Reds outfield since Hurdle, Collins and Householder. Much, much worse defensively and Collins was a pretty good lead-off hitter for a couple of years.
St CSA

 
at 10:38 PM Blogger TowerOfPower said...

one stinking hit?

 
at 10:42 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Votto is .333 career against lefties. Far better than Cantu. But hey, keep looking up meaningless stats of guys who wouldn't play on this team.

Looks like the team threw in the towel and just wants to go home after getting down 7-0.

 
at 10:43 PM Blogger Greg said...

John,
is it possible that any comment referring to cantu is blocked? i think i speak for nearly everyone on here when i say, the cantu talk is old and annoying.

good/bad news on bray tonight... got out of a big jam ... bad news... he put himself in that jam

fogg is looking much more productive coming out of the bullpen. (as soon as i say that albert gets walked and reaches base for the first time tonight...) ha..

 
at 11:17 PM Blogger HoosierVirg said...

John, noticed Stormy pitched an inning for the Bats tonight, how is Hopper doing?

 
at 11:20 PM Blogger Branden said...

Patterson had one of the three hits. he really doesn't deserve to start...

 
at 11:25 PM Blogger Matty G said...

I've only seen the box score, but it looks like Fogg was way better out of the 'pen tonight. How'd he look? If nothing else, at least our relievers stopped the bleeding!

 
at 11:27 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

I for one appreciate the updates on former Reds players either let go or traded so stop being so sensitive and if it bothers you don't read it. Hamilton was 3 for 4 Sunday night with another couple RBI's and 2 for 5 tonight with another steak.

 
at 11:35 PM Blogger Chris Sabo said...

WAKE UP CINCY FIRE JOCKETY!!!

lol

Omg, can we please bring back Jorge Cantu, I'm tired of this young guy Votto getting all these hits....oh yeah and Edinson Volquez.. has over a 1.00 ERA...Can we Please re-do that trade, what were you thinking w/ your post John, Why do we want a guy thats young, and has a future, when we could have a CF, who is a high-risk injury player (nevertheless unbelievable) when we have 4 other CF's on this team he could sit beside!

OMG can you guys believe that we signed Stanton??? What's wrong with this team, stop crying Krivsky..you big baby, its not like you got fired for making this team way better than it was jeez...can we please see if we can talk w/ the Giants and send Bruce, Volquez, and Bailey to the Marlins for Cantu and ohh..Hendrickson??

WAKE UP CINCY WAKE UP, ITS ALMOST THE FIRST OF THE MONTH!!!

ST

C. S.

 
at 12:18 AM Blogger Zippy said...

The vast majority of us (with a few exceptions) agree on several things, which seem pretty obvious to most of us:

1) Griffey is no longer a #3 hitter.
2) Patterson is not a leadoff hitter.
3) Dunn should be traded to an AL team ASAP.
4) The team lacks leadership.
5) Freel and Hopper are under-utilized, while Patterson is over-utilized.
6) Bruce would make a nice replacement for Dunn.
7) Votto should be moved up in the lineup.


The question is, why doesn't the organization see these things the way we do? Or, if they do, why aren't appropriate changes being made? I wonder if John F. can shed any light on this?

 
at 12:27 AM Blogger Dave said...

How many of Cantu's hits were infield singles? How many were homers? What was his fielding percentage for the game?

I'm sorry, but the Reds have no need for a DH in the field, especially one without power (see Dunn, Adam, for a current example). I'll take Votto any day - there's a reason we couldn't trade Jorge for anyone last year, and nothing has changed. Get over him and enjoy something better.

 
at 12:34 AM Blogger travis said...

Where in the world would the immortal Cantu play ? Over Votto or Encarnacion...no and no.. I do not understand this obsession with a marginal player who is below average devensive and is having a decent year, so far (remember it is only April) at the plate.

Cantu could not break the starting lineup for the Reds and at best would be just a pinch hitter who cannot hit lefthanders.. I dont think Cantu would be happy with a bench role anyway, the Rays got rid of him in the first place because of his bad attitude. You would think that it ws AROD that was let go by the Reds..

 
at 12:53 AM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Uh, it was never Hurdle-Collins-Householder. It was Hurdle-Cedeno-Householder, and they weren't that bad at all. Until they got a bat in their hands.

 
at 2:13 AM Blogger JerBear said...

Was it just me or didn't it seem like the Reds should have scored 5-6 runs off of Pinerio? It didn't look like he had anything in the first inning!

Yet somehow he struck out Jr. and then Phillips shows bad plate discipline by reaching for a ball and grounding to third...and then Keppinger...well I don't know what he was thinking!

It's amazing how a couple plays can change the tide of a game. I thought the Reds would score 3-4 runs in that first inning...


Finally...tonight's game was one of those that the Griffey and Dunn bashers will save in their archives.

I hate to say it, but on a night like tonight I kinda think Griffey and Dunn couldn't be gone soon enough from this team.

If they hit a few important homeruns tomorrow maybe the pendulum will swing back a little bit in my mind...but man I really am longing for the days of a new outfield!

And it's not necessarily because Griffey and Dunn are terrible. They have their good nights. But we pretty much know what to expect from them...the good and the bad. And the bad is catching up to the good it seems. There's little hope of improvement.

The Reds need a different mix in the outfield badly.

Finally...if Freel or Hopper aren't getting most of the start in centerfield within the next couple weeks the fans may turn on Dusty Baker! I think his one major downfall so far is Patterson getting the nod in Centerfield.

Reds fans were pretty skeptical. Baseball fans in general were skeptical. Cubs fans were laughing at us when we gave Patterson the opening day job...but Baker thought it was the way to go. Sometimes the masses are right.

 
at 7:26 AM Blogger Bill said...

Most posters on this blog seem to assume that hitting would never be a problem for this team. Now that the pitching situation appears to have been fixed, the Reds' lousy offense has been revealed for what it always has been -- lousy. Dunn and Griffey are just not the guys you want hitting third and fifth in your line up right now.

Cueto gave up 7 early, but Bray and Fogg shut them down for the rest of the game. After the second inning, it was up to the rest of the team to score 8. Instead, they got a pitiful 3 hits. If Freel's hot, he should be playing. If Hairston is hot, he should be playing. We could spend all year waiting for Dunn and end up in the cellar again.

 
at 7:29 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

great game ..wonderful Dusty Baker fundamentals

wonder if Gonzo could make that double play Kepp made

looks like one our our pitching phenoms is coming down to earth..is Volquez next?

Bray looked terrible, same as before..always behind in the count..even Marty said so

Griffey certainly does not look like a HOF both at the plate and in the field

Jocketty was gushing at the 3 game winning streak.. all is ok in Redsland...here we go again..another seven years of losing

Hamilton had 2 more hits last nite batting .336

It would have been nice to have Hamilton , Bruce, Votto in the outfield and Cantu at 1st base

 
at 7:42 AM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

john,

why no comments from keppinger on the baserunning blunder? i was interested to see what he had to say for himself, but i see nothing in the enquirer or ddn this morning. was he available for comment after the game?

also would've liked to see what dunn and jr had to say for themselves after the errors. did they stick around to talk?

thanks

 
at 7:47 AM Blogger oldtimer said...

Growing pains with Cueto. For all you guys who want the AAA guys immediately, this is how it goes for a while. Super big learning curve.
Learning how to play at this level means taking your lumps for a while. Even Votto will have his moments. This thing is so bad, there are no quick fix.

Don't mind hearing Cantu numbers occaisionally. He was a lucky find last year, wish the Reds has held on. He coulda played left at least as well as Dunn. Am I the only one who saw that throw as far sillier than the ball that hit Deion on the head and bounced over the fence? As an outfielder, the guy is all time sad. Gone next year.

 
at 7:49 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

I dont care how bad Patterson is at the plate, if Dunn and Griffey are going to play the field like last night how can you not play Patterson in center.

I wish Baker would give up on this lineup, its based on antiquated philosophies.

Kepp
BP
Votto
Griff
EE
Dunn
Bako
Patterson
P

 
at 8:04 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

I guess the point of guys posting Cantu or Hamilton stats are to show what bad moves they were by Krivsky and how smart they are for knowing that.

It really serves no purpose other than to massage their own egos.

Thats why its irritating, they like to pretend they are providing the rest of us with a "service" but really its a
"nany nany boo boo, Im right your all wrong" mentality.

Its just tired and weak.

 
at 8:25 AM Blogger Frank Robinson's Ghost said...

Watch your back, Walt!

9 more games like this one and you're gone too. I hear Bob says "we're just not going to lose anymore."

If we had kept Cantu, who would he be replacing in the lineup? Votto or EE. With worse defense. Hmmmm.

Hope this is not a trend for Cueto, but gosh he is young.

 
at 8:27 AM Blogger Jeff said...

Since there is nothing wrong with reporting on former Reds, I guess there is also nothing wrong with updating everyone on players the Reds got in the off season. Volquez is currently 4-0 with a 1.23 ERA in five starts. Josh who???

 
at 8:43 AM Blogger robdicken said...

Jorge Cantu 3 more hits tonight.

And he was 0'fer his previous 3 games before that.

As I said before...just a matter of time before he comes back down to earth. His fielding is still atrocious, too.

 
at 8:58 AM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

Just when you think this team is going to make a run, they fall back to poor fundamentals. Base running is the first thing you work on when you're five years old. And when the Red's get behind, the offense goes to sleep.

Dusty needs to have a closed door meeting and give the players the following speech.
"Everybody into the shower. Anybody that isn't in the shower in ten seconds is going to get find a hundred dollars. You guys lollygag the ball around the infield, you lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. Do you know what that makes you? Lollygaggers. What's our record? Twelve and Sixteen. How did we ever win twelve? It's a miracle. This is a SIMPLE game. You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball. YOU GOT IT !?!"

 
at 9:35 AM Blogger Old guy up north said...

From ESPN:
Apr. 28 : Cantu broke out of an 0-for-13 slide with a double in the sixth inning of Sunday's game, reports the team's official website.

Check back at the end of May when he is hitting .240. There are about eight guys in the Reds organization that I would rather have on this team than him (including JR and Dunn). GIVE IT UP!!!

 
at 9:37 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

My 7:49 post with the lineup, thats based on Dustys guys that he seems to play no matter what.

At least if he shuffles it a bit we may see some better results.

Patterson is the only realy good outfielder on the team in an important posistion, Im starting to believe we need him in there for defense, but bat him in the 8 hole.

Of course I would like to see Dunn out of the lineup, and Griffey platoon in right.

By platoon, I mean start Griffey every night, give him 2 at bats to do something, and get him out before he costs us a run in the field. (maybe 3 Ab's if hes hitting that night)



Now, in my perfect world:
(based on players IN the orginization, no pipe dreams)

Hopper (CF)
Kepp
Votto
EE
BP
Bruce (LF)
Griff / Hairston / Freel (RF)
Bako
P

Bench:
Hairston
Freel
Hanigan (backup catcher)
Agon
Patterson

Agon and Patterson are your defensive replacements

Freel and Hairston are super subs.

Anyone not mentioned is gone in what ever way possible. (Sorry Mr Castellini $$$ but you dont want to lose anymore, your words)

 
at 9:45 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

like Volquez...its too bad we had to trade a great ballplayer like Hamilton for pitching and keep two dinosaurs like Griffey and Dunn for 24 million a year.

would have loved to see an outfield of Votto, Hamilton, Bruce..with Cantu on 1st base

Hamilton had another 2 hits last nite batting .326

 
at 10:06 AM Blogger Danny C. said...

The team looked very bad in the field last night and on the bases (on the rare occasion they got someone on). However, Brantley made the point that his scorebook showed a lot of line drives - I would have to say I agree. The Reds hit a lot of balls hard last night, but they were right at people. Did they hit enough of them to win? I have no clue.

Johnny Cueto had good speed on his fastball last night, but he was leaving it and the change-up out over the plate all night long. Brantley mentioned that location and trying to hard were factors that were definitely effecting Cueto. Hopefully Harang can get some run support and we can take two of three from the Cards.

 
at 10:06 AM Blogger Red Faced said...

I think you guys are being to hard on Dunn concerning the er throw or lack of a throw or whatever you want to call it. It seemed obvious to me that the cutoff man was just way out of position.

The big bats came through in the first inning for us didn't they?

Remember back when there was talk of the Reds having the best outfield in the NL with Dunn, Kerns and Griffey? I don't recall it either. We look sad, just flat out sad in the field and at the plate. We win 2 games against what has to be the worst team in the league (the Giants) and then squeak one out against a mediocre Cardinals team and suddenly everythiung is alright. Well we came back to reality last night. The offense is still struggling, the defense is sub par and on nights when the pitching isn't there we just flat out don't have a chance to win.

Cueto will have some rough outings and that's to be expected but the defense behind him didn't do him any favors either. Hopefully he is able to use this year to make him all that much better for next year when we have an extra 23 million to spend on some offense.

 
at 10:18 AM Blogger travis said...

I have never seen such an obsession with former Reds players...they are gone and never coming back "so called" Reds fans.. so either become a Ranger or a Marlin fan or be happy that the Reds have a potential 24 year old ace in the making who will be winning games for years to come...

Young power pitchers are hard to find and almost no team trades them when they have one...too bad for the Rangers and great for the Reds..
I cant wait to read this blog when Volquez has his first bad outing...which pitchers tend to do from time to time....the crying about the Hamilton trade will be nonstop from some fans. I actually think that some fans are hoping for a Volquez bad outing..so they can get on here and post some more Hamilton stats...

 
at 10:29 AM Blogger Chris Sabo said...

Its a shame you have to make trades of good players to get good players. Why can't we trade nothing for something? Why can't we just get young guys for free, instead of building within?? I'm confused and lost, can someone reconcile this for me? Oh wait thats right, the best P available this offseason was....no other than Carlos Silva..who we would be paying 10M a year to pitch mediocre baseball lol. I'd rather take Dunn's .240 BA, 40HR, 100RBI, and .400+ OBP. He's so old at 29, gosh.

 
at 10:45 AM Blogger stew said...

John,

I have been thinking about this for a couple of days and would like your thoughts as well. If Jocketty's M.O. with the cards was to either trade for or sign underappreciated or undervalued stars (McGuire, Edmonds, Rolen)to anchor the middle of the lineup, can you think of anyone that he might target to bring into Cincinnati? It appears that we need a good, consistent right handed hitting outfielder that is not horrible defensively that can be with us for several years. Any thougths?

 
at 10:57 AM Blogger 24/7 said...

WHY in the world do we need a hamilton/cantu update every single day? WHY? they are NOT cincinnati reds. what purpose does it serve?

on to baseball...

i'm tired of all the bad baserunning by a lot of guys on this team. but man was that boneheaded by keppinger, i mean bako was sent on monday and phillips was hit by a ball but getting doubled up because you didn't know the rule?

i seen from his first couple throws that cueto wasn't in his groove. why bako doesn't call more sliders instead of waist high breaking balls is anybody's guess. you take the kid down the tunnel and show him a little tape on why it's 3-0 after 1 inning. not a great effort by the reds last night.

freel can cry, but he's getting paid swell, he was primed for replacement, and even though he can't hit consistently (like freel), patterson is better on the bases and in center.

with cueto struggling, we may have just gotten reminded who the staff ace is, and how much we need him today.

and no, marty and hal, if he's struggling, let the kid who proved he could play in the bigs work it out. cueto was more of a long shot than bruce or bailey, and he played his way on. if they are ready, call on em, but not at the expense of cueto.

sorry john, all this shoddy baseball and lackluster reporting on the bengals lately has me fired up. doc...nuff said...and curnutte just doesn't have a clue what a good football player looks and plays like.

 
at 11:08 AM Blogger Reds Fan of Toledo said...

Well since some of you are obsessed with former Reds why not be a fan of the Nationals? Last time I checked they had 7 or 8 former Reds in their Organization. Also they are a team that realistically is worse off than the Reds so all of you negative people will love that. They win three in a row and lose one and you turn on them again. At least wait to see how they react today. If they lose again then its something to look at.
To those of you who think the Reds should have made a run since they held them after the second knows nothing about baseball. Being down 7 that early changes each players approach. Players start to press and try harder to do things. Like Brantley said there were a lot of hard hit balls, just right at somebody. It was just one of those nights.
GO REDS

 
at 11:09 AM Blogger robdicken said...

I have never seen such an obsession with former Reds players...they are gone and never coming back "so called" Reds fans.. so either become a Ranger or a Marlin fan or be happy that the Reds have a potential 24 year old ace in the making who will be winning games for years to come...

People are obsessed with minimal results in this city. They see very little of a person, and think he's "god." Doesn't anyone remember the obsession with Ryan Freel? 2-3 years ago, everyone in this town was obsessed with this guy. And what do we have now? People are asking for him to be traded because they realized the guy is a mediocre (or less) ballplayer AT BEST!

I am not counting Josh Hamilton out of anything...but again...the praise for this guy is ridiculous. They guy played 90 games with us last year and people are treating him like he's the next Ted Williams. Give the guy 2 FULL seasons in the major leagues to prove that he is such. Just because you have 1 good year, doesn't make you a "good" ball player. This has been said time and time again about Jorge Cantu.

The obsession with Jorge Cantu is beyond ridiculous, though. The guy played minimal games for us at the end of the year, and apparently he is now the next Tony Perez. The guy has had ONE good season his entire career, and even then....he couldn't hit lefties worth a darn and his fielding sucked. Get over it already!

 
at 11:14 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

"like Volquez...its too bad we had to trade a great ballplayer like Hamilton for pitching and keep two dinosaurs like Griffey and Dunn for 24 million a year.

would have loved to see an outfield of Votto, Hamilton, Bruce..with Cantu on 1st base

Hamilton had another 2 hits last nite batting .326"

REALLY? We had NO IDEA that this was your point of view on this!

Please tell us again tommorow and the next and the next, because its like the movie groundhog day, and when we wake up tommorow, it will be like today never happened and we wont know this anymore.

Thank you for your public service, you add an immesurable amount of substance to this blog and we are indebted to you forever for it.

 
at 11:20 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Maybe some posters can change their sign on to "IwishCantuWasHere"
or "HamiltonNotVolquez"
or "DinosaursGoAway"

then, they wont have to type these insights 3 to 4 times a day.

 
at 12:11 PM Blogger Gatsby said...

You folks are missing the fact that the reason Keppinger screwed up on the bases was because of Patterson's original baserunning blunder. Anybody who's played above the T-ball level knows that when you're on third base, and you aren't forced to run, you wait to see if the ball gets through the infield (unless it's a run-on-contact decision, which, by Patterson's body language, it wasn't, 'cause he started to run and then stopped). So, yes, Keppinger's a doofus for running back to second, but if Patterson immediately heads back to 3rd when the ball is hit, the Reds still have guys on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs.

In summation: why did we pick up Patterson?

 
at 12:18 PM Blogger Exiled No More said...

Can everyone please chill out??? I remember when I used to actually enjoy reading comments for their thougtful insights (even posts I disagreed with). Now, I just get a headache reading all the venomous infighting. Since we aren't going to lose tomorrow, how about a venom-free Thursday?

John, can we get a lineup?

 
at 12:28 PM Blogger oldtimer said...

Re Dunn's throw, the cutoff man was way out of position??? Huh??

Yeah, he should have been standing behind him...LOL. His fielding has been a sick joke for years. He'll be lucky to start on another team, unless they stick him at first base and he stops being Dr. StrangeGlove. Even then, his slumps make his a part timer. And I've been saying this for three years, not just lately.

Course there has so much Dunn Love around here, I found very few listeners. Mammoth homers bore me, guys who can run, hit doubles and homers, and play a great outfield get me jacked. How bout Dunn Love Dunn Gone?

Cantu and Votto coulda held down LF, and switched back and forth at first. Anybody that drove home 117 just 2 years ago and is young has 117 reasons to get a closer look. That kind of production is what the Reds lack, yet Krivsky passed. And what happened to him? Goner.I like Hattieberg, a nice hitter, but a terrible fit on this team. If he could still catch, excellent...but he can't, apparently. His arm is supposedly the problem, but it's gotta be better than Valentine's, Drop Javier and use Hattie in spot duty. Free up a spot or carry 24, drop the dead weight. Scan the waiver wire. Changes are coming, Jocketty has infinitely more skills than Krivsky, unfortunately he took over at a bad time. I expect some big stuff by June and July.

Baker's man love for Patterson just aggravates me more and more. But apparently as alluded to yesterday in one of the blogs, he talked Castellini into signing this guy, and he's gonna ride him all the way into the ground. Hopper's getting screwed, no way around it. AND this team sputters like an old junker on its way to the junk yard.

As for Cueto, have patience, he's learning how to pitch at the next level.

 
at 12:35 PM Blogger pootyhead said...

I don't know but seems to me if you keep posting about people repeating the same,you are just giving them what they need. Let 'em do it and just ignore it as long as they don't rip on you. I would bet eventually it would lose it's apeal if they don't get a reaction.

 
at 12:47 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The lineup's been posted. Blogger isn't working too well. Hopefully, it will show up soon.

 
at 12:55 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Josh Hamilton was a very special young man and his story is wonderful..there is no harm in following him as he fast evolves into an allstar

Good pitching is not hard to find when you have the money to spend. And it is legitimate to be upset about having to pay 22-24 million bucks a year to Adam Dunn/Ken Griffey


I would take Cantu on 1st base and Votto in left field

 
at 1:04 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Hamilton was a great story, there is absolutely nothing wrong in following him as he becomes an all star

Pitching is not hard to find if ya have money. It is a shame that we have to pay Griffey/Dunn 24 million a year, money better spent on pitching

Discussion about Cantu is legitimate. Would love to have Cantu on 1st base and Votto in left field

 
at 1:17 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

"Josh Hamilton was a very special young man and his story is wonderful..there is no harm in following him as he fast evolves into an allstar"


Absolutely, you should follow whoever you want. I wouldnt care if you built a shrine to JH in your basement.

But if I want his stats, Ill go get them thanks.

 
at 1:35 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

"Discussion about Cantu is legitimate. Would love to have Cantu on 1st base and Votto in left field"

If it is legitimate, then why couldnt Dusty start Cantu next game?


If we all started listing what we would love to see, this blog would turn into a fantasy league discussion. I mean why not talk about how nice it would be to have Pujols, Verlander, or Joe Mauer?

The reds have a 25 man roster, they have guys in the minors that may be ready to contribute, please refer to those players (guys that could actually play in a Reds uniform this year)in discussion if you want your comments to be "legitimate".

 
at 2:40 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Amen Kevin! Amen!

 
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