Braves 14, Reds 7
Didn't see that coming.
Given a 7-0 lead, Tom Glavine could not get out of the fifth for the Braves.
Bronson Arroyo had te shortest outing of his career: 1 1/3 innings, seven runs on seven hits. The last batter he faced, Chipper Jones, hit a three-run homer.
Paul Bako homered in the third. In the fourth, Joey Votto singled home a run, Adam Dunn doubled home two more and Jeff Keppinger singled in another. It's an 8-5 game.
The Reds added a run in fifth.
But Josh Fogg and Bill Bray combined to gave up four in the fifth.
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Post a Comment*arroyo needs to be off this club or either go to the pen and figure things out one this is uncalled for 7 runs in less than 2 innings he gives us no chance to win when he is on the mound look at how much zito is making and they sent him to the pen i think its time to do it in cincy and bring up homer he cant be any worse
John...Julie said you sounded great on the radio..
I don't know what more can be said about this team
At least we could watch Josh last year..did I mention the following:
Hamilton wins AL Player Of The Month
Dallas Morning News
Josh Hamilton was recognized Saturday as the American League Player of the Month for April after hitting .330 with 32 RBIs during the month. It was the second-most RBIs in April in club history behind Juan Gonzalez's 35 in 1998.
"It's exciting to win the award, but I'd trade it for a better start for our team," Hamilton said. "Ultimately, it's not supposed to be about individual accomplishments, but reaching team goals.
TEAM GOALS
i love the reds but i will not pay to see this team play. anyone who does is a fool...season ticket holders--SUCKERS.
I'm having to listen to the Braves broadcast so I missed your comments. What exactly did you say?
Edison Volquez: 6 Starts 35.1 IP 24 H 6 R 5 ER 1 HR 18 BB 42 K 1.27 ERA NL ERA Leader
Cinci record: 12-19 oops 12-20 Texas record: 13-18
like welsch said on the broadcast they need to evaluate arroyo because if that was belisle or fogg they wouldn't get another start its gotta be 15 day dl or bullpen for arroyo he does not deserve another start
I'm better off watching the Celtics with local products James Posey (XU) and Rajon Rondo (UK) help take the Celtics to the next round in the NBA playoffs. I recommend it to anyone subjugating themselves to the Reds this afternoon.
John,
Love the blog..post occasionally. But seriously..I am so sick and tired of having Josh Hamilton's name continually thrown around. He doesn't play here anymore. We have a top tier pitcher because of the trade, and if anyone thinks a top tier pitcher is not as valuable as talented outfielder (albeit one that is fragile and has a history of drug and alcohol abuse) they should be banned from the site. I like Josh Hamilton. I enjoyed watching him and wish him the best..but enough is enough. Not having him on our team is not the problem with this team. I beg you... I'm crying "uncle" here...
smokey..what else is there to discuss..another lineup? Griffey and Dunn not hitting? another losing season?
Did you read the bottom of the article regarding Hamiltons desire to improve the Team..not individual stats? I find this quite applicable to our current discussion.
But Smokey if ya dont like the topic..move on .
I agree with Big Red Smokey. Hamilton wouldn't mean a thing on this team. It's just that bad here.
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Has anyone besides me considered the fact that maybe the careers of both Griffey and Dunn are over? It happens to all athletes eventually. Remember Joe Charboneau? Rookie of the year then disappeared. Griffey's bat has slowed to a crawl because of age. Maybe he should retire.
I think Dunn has lost it and is "Done".
Jack,
This is a Reds blog..not a Rangers blog. I bet I speak for the majority here in saying...ENOUGH. If you want to talk about a Ranger..go to their blog and have at it. I'm trying to be nice here.
With Hamilton we would have some offense and clutch hitting..
smokey if you were only here occasionally ..you would knot know would ya..now come back under one of your other nicks
Griffey was finished five years ago..
Dunn is getting close. Lance said it this am on his blog..Hamilton is 3 times the player Dunn is
Well this is my only nickname..I actually have other things to do in life sometimes than sit on a Reds blog and act like I know what I'm talking about. But I'm not going to lower my standards to your level and subject the people on this blog to a squabble with a clearly troubled man who can't seem to do anything but puposely incite trouble. Final word is this: it's people like you that ruin good blogs.
Griffey looks like he is trying for #598 on every swing. Holy crap, Adam Dunn gets a two base hit.
smokey..you are the only one attacking other bloggers on here..grow up and let us discuss baseball
john fay asked us not to attack other bloggers Smokey..show some respect for the man..thank you
Dunn gets a hit but 1 or 2 hits a week just ain't gonna get it.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.
Who pitches for the Reds if Hamilton doesn't get traded? Belisle, Bailey, Fogg? No offense, starting pitchers are way more valuable.
And Hamilton can give you all the lip service you want about "helping the team". They suck as bad as the Reds do. Remember Hamilton had to have his own Life coach on the books? Yea, he really sacrifices for the team.
Keppinger continues to amaze me.. I cant believe he was never given a chance to play on a regular basis before he came to Cincinnati
get rid of Griffey, Dunn, stop paying millions of dollars in contracts to Cormier , Stanton, etc..you have over 30 million to spend on pitching without trading great talent like Hamilton
I cant believe the Reds would fly Mario Soto in to become the personal coaches of Cueto and Volquez..
ENOUGH!!!!! Time to blow this team up and start again. Bring up Bruce and Homer...and anyone else likely to help. Arroyo is showing that he doesn't give squat about the Reds and just wants to head back to Boston. Give him what he's said he wants. 600 home runs or not...time for Junior to move on. The Red's have made a major mistake not getting rid of Dumb...ummm...I mean Dunn. Let him take his 40 hrs and gazillion strike outs to another team. Give me a team who is passionate about the game. One's who'll hustle and give a darn. Grrrrr...I'm sick and time of these Reds.
Hamilton was making major league minimum last year. pay a coach 100k .. and he still costs 9 million less than Dunn and 11.5 million less than a Ken griffey
Wow, now you're just reaching. You can't go back and undo every bad contract the Reds made just to keep Hamilton. The free agent market was pretty bad this year. The Reds tried to make other trades but the price was too stiff. This was the most logical trade and I think it has and will continue to be an even trade. Not every trade requires one team to be a loser or get taken. It has worked out well for both teams.
Huge difference between what Soto's doing and what Johnny Narron did. Soto going to be with the team for a week. Then he's going back to the Dominican.
If he was staying with the team the entire year, it would be similar.
jeff, I am not reaching at all..Its a combination of signing and paying players that should not have been signed..Cormier, Stanton, Patterson, Hairston, etc..just to name a few..Juan castro? and bad planning by keeping Dunn and Griffey.
The point being if you have the money by proper planning you dont have to trade talent like Hamilton to acquire pitching
Im glad we have a Mario Soto to help mentor these two young pitchers.
John I know that..Find out Narrons salary and add that to Hamiltons ..what did we pay out last year?
Give us a better topic to discuss ..Im in
Brad..maybe we have the wrong pitching coach and shoud get Soto full time
Jack, that sounds good to me. But I think just about anybody would be better than Dick Pole.
Hey John...
Have you ever had a blogger that posted so much while knowing so little as Jack? It's comical and a shame all at the same time. I will continue to enjoy the blog daily (not occasionaly as Jack says..read the first post I sent Jack.. I said post occasionally, not visit occasionally)and I like the insight you provide. It's just too bad that someone can ruin a good experience as effectively as Jack.
This team has been near falling apart for many years..What is happening now was inevitable..Hopefully Jocketty will start doing the correct things..mainly develop a plan and stick to it
Laters dudes
Jack, there's nothing wrong with wanting to keep Hamilton. I liked the guy. But if you've listened to ANYONE that covers the Reds (Fay, Daugherty, Grande, Welsch, Thom, Marty, Brantley, Rosecrans, etc) you would hear that the Reds made a good trade and that it has worked out well. It costs talent to get talent.
Me too Brad.
On The Reds: I feel for my Reds. I really do love my Reds but this is a deep hole we are digging. I hope it turns around soon.
Reds' fan in East Tenn.
smokey .. a blog is a debate and the only one diminishing and attacking other bloggers personally has been you.. grow up.. laters gang too nice to be inside
Votto has walked twice today. That's not good because as you know, walks clog the bases and you can't walk across home plate!!
Jeff I like Volquez and I agree.. Again..its a shame we did not have the cash to get the pitching and maybe we should not have spent 46 million on a closer we did not need this year..
Planning, Planning, Planning
when you manage an organization..you have to know the needs of your organization and be very realistic..Wayne and Bob thinking this team was going to contend now was just poor planning
keeping Adam Dunn was a major and expensive blunder
I gotta run
We didn't need a closer this year. Who would have been your choice to assume that role without Cordero?
Jack,
What pitchers out there were worth paying what you'd want to pay with the savings for Griff and Dunn? Do you want the Reds going after the Zito's and Silva's of the league? I'd be interested to hear your suggestions instead of constant na-na-boo-boo.
"it will stay in the park"
George Grande describing a pop fly played by the second baseman.
St CSA
This is just getting worse and worse with each game.
Good luck with getting to 600 Griffey, but do it in Seattle. I could care less if he does it in Cincinnati. Send him away. Dunn too. I don't care about RBIs, HR, or OBP. Maybe its just bad chemistry. Make a change.
Bring up the minor leaguers. At least then we would have an excuse as to why we play like a minor league team.
I had to turn Georgie and The Creep off today. They lasted as long as Arroyo.
Nice catch by Freel in CF today and he should have caught the one in LF last nite. Looks like he is worried too much about style points. Picked off yet again. I think he is in there for comic relief.
St CSA
Should be plenty of seats available for the Cubs fans this week.
How many home runs has Griffey hit since last year's all star game?
ST CSA
Listening to sports talk this morning, people seem to think we should have traded Dunn for Volquez. Yeah, that woulda been great if Texas would have been stupid enough to do that. But Dunn is overpaid, and J Ham makes the min. Besides that, the Reds would still be in last place with Hamilton.
Freel is actually going to make Patterson look like a gold glover in that outfield.
St CSA
John, Is Jerry Hairston Jr. injured? I don't believe he's made an appearence since the Giants wins. It seems odd that he hasn't been used whatsoever. Could he be hitting the DL when Weathers comes off?
Who's the fool that signed Arroyo to the big contract extension?
He is not hurt as far as I know. He pinch hit the last game in St. Louis.
Smokey,
To clue you in Jack has many different handles. If you noticed he just switched over to CSA. Just ignore himn and he will quiet down towards you.
John. I'm tired of reading Jack's comments. I don't care what he thinks anymore. Cut him off for good. Thanks.
I won't say or agree Dunn is done. But he sure better get it together soon, or I'm going to be right there with the rest of you.
The chemistry on this team, for whatever it is worth, is terrible. The way they are playing, somebody should be throwing bats, helmets and fits every day! I beleive Dunn and Griffey have to be a big reason for it the malaize. Neither are the leaders on a relatively young team that they need to be.
Hattiberg has to be wanting out pretty bad about now. I suspect Hopper would welcome a new home. Why has there been no action to move them off the roster yet. Valentin is not playing, he too would probably welcome the opportunity to get more ABs in the AL? Why not accomodate them, they are not being used by the Reds?
I hope Josh Hamilton wins the RBI title in the AL and hits .330 for the season. I hope Volquez wins 15plus with an ERA under 3.0.
When oh when, will we see Jay Bruce in Center field? Who cares if he hits home runs and bats left handed. He has the capability of hitting .300 in the major league and neither Freel or Patterson are going to give you that over 120-150games.
Bronson Arroyo should be put in the bull pen or on the DL with and rehabbed in AAA. Reds need to motivate him to to get it together or get out of the way. Bailey and Thompson are just waiting for an opportunity. Cannot take too much more of his pitching.
There are not too many bright spots on this team.
I'm not inclined to cut anyone off. They can just create a new ID anyway.
It's beyond me why anyone would create more than one sign on. It's all anonymous anyway.
John from Cincinnati: Don't use all CAPS. Drives me nuts.
By the way, the HBO show John from Cincinnati was huge disappointment. I loved Soprano's, Six Feet Under, Deadwood, The Wire.
It's difficult for me to decide which is more troubling: the Reds terrible play or the fact that somebody would use different sign-in names to post comments that are unintelligent at best. And Pootyhead..I don't care if he comes after me, that doesn't bother me. It's the fact he has no clue what he's talking about that's the real crime.
Looks like the bullpen is rounding into shape nicely..
you lose Hamilton, you get a good pitcher..things remain the same as last year..maybe even a little worse
keep the same players expect the same results
Freel - CF
Kepp - SS
Phillips - 2B
EE - 3B
Votto - 1B
Bruce - RF
Hairston Jr - LF
Bako - C
Pitcher
how stupid can this organization be?
if were going to be in the cellar atleast let these guys get some PT
forget griffeys legacy and dunns contract
Ben
I would venture to say Arroyo might end up on the DL tomorrow when Weathers comes up... the real question is, when Arroyo's turn comes up who will be sent down/released/on the DL when Bailey comes up to fill that spot in?
that's upsetting, glad i didn't have to watch that.. i never thought i'd rather sit at an open house than watch the reds...
Any idea if Jocketty is trying to package some players and send them off for somebody we fans might be excited to know? i know Krivsky was pretty tight lipped about potential trades, i have no clue about Jocketty. i'd like to see hattie, freel or patterson, ross or valentine packaged up for either a good catcher or something... Bako won't last too long, it's fun to see him doing well tho.
Jack being Jack
He doesnt realize there is a difference between knowing alot about a baseball team and knowing something about baseball.
He also beleives if he says the same thing over and over it makes him right or that we will all start agreeing with him.
The Wire was the best drama seires ever. Doubt we will ever see such creative work again.
By now I'm pretty sure John Fay realizes Jack, CSA and I are not the same person nor do we know each other. I'm also pretty sure he just doesn't want to admit he was wrong in his accusations. No big deal. Doesn't impact me.
Big Red Smokey...two weeks ago you made a post that would have everyone thinking you hated the Josh Hamilton trade. I parodied it in my Thread Recap. I would be happy to go back and repost it for you. One of John Fay's recent discussions was "Would you make the trade". How are we not supposed to talk about Hamilton when the moderator himself asks us a question directly related to Hamilton.
Who out there would have traded Willie Mays for Bob Gibson? Most of you? All of you? How about none of you. While Hamilton is no Mays, Volquez is no Gibson. Reds gave up a five tooler with heart and got a good looking prospect who can't find a hat that fits straight on his head.
at 8:37 AM Big Red Smokey said...
Play Hopper! We suck for trading Hamilton!
Here it is Big Red Smokey. Directly from your post April 21st.
Marty was commenting on certain players just being content with their large contracts...Brantley just agreed. Brantley went so far to say these same players could care less about winning or losing
Brantley said bring the young players up and prepare for next year
Both felt that this is just a continuation of last year and that Dusty wanting to exercise patience is wrong
Jack,
To your earlier point:
"A blog is a debate."
That is a philosophical view, not a fact. A blog is a "web-log" of comments of any variety.
It's pretty clear your philosophy has worn itself thin, not because debates are bad, but because you are relentlessly negative and argumentative. Sorry.
"keep the same players expect the same results"
"keep sayin the same stuff and expect the same lack of respect"
Top Ten dissappointing performances for Reds through this point in 2008.
1) Arroyo
2) Dunn
3) Griffey
4) Coffey
5) Patterson
6) Belisle
7) Fogg
8) Hopper
9) Valentin
10) Ross
I left out the rookies - nobody depened on them to make the team to begin with.
I left out the General Manager(S) Field Manager and Coaches. They should share the blame but they don't perform for the players.
Jay Bruce should be this teams starting center fielder. Two reasons, 1) the Reds have the worst record in baseball and 2) Bruce was the highest rated prospect in all of the minor leagues in 2007. He may be hitting .287, but I would let him get hot in Cincinnati rather than Louisville if were going to watch a last place team again in 2008.
"Did you read the bottom of the article regarding Hamiltons desire to improve the Team..not individual stats?"
I know Hamilton isnt the sharpest tool in the shed, but he would have to be a complete moron to say anything different in this situation.
99 out of 100 mlb players say the exact same thing when given an award like this with their team struggling, its become a cliche.
Not saying hes being fake, but it doesnt prove anything either.
For JBA
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I keep reading about Adam Dunn being such a huge problem offensively. Am I missing something? He went 2 for 4 today and drove in 2 runs. He reaches base more than anyone else on the team, and is nearly leading the team in runs scored despite hitting #5 all year. The problem with this team is the guys who DON'T reach base, not the ones who do.
Oh, and of course the other problem is the manager who doesn't understand that guys who get on base a lot should be at the top of the order and your weaker hitters should be at the bottom.
(Dunn) "He went 2 for 4 today and drove in 2 runs."
He should be in double digits as far as the number of multi hit, multi RBI games. How many has he had?
Its great he gets on base and scores, noone is debating that, but your argument is like having a housekeeper that doesnt dust, doesnt do windows, and then saying "but she does great job cleaning bathrooms, so shes a good housekeeper".
As much as I hate bringing up Josh Hamilton, please Zippy, google his stats, THATS WHAT WE EXPECT OF DUNN! NOT JUST GETTING ON BASE AT AN ASTOUNDING RATE!
I recall the last half of the 07 season with basicly the same starting eight (Hamilton was usually on the DL), the Reds were playing pretty good ball for Pete Mackanin with his serious demeanor and a sense of humour. But of course he wasn't a big name, like Sparky Anderson wasn't a big name, so Pete was not given serious consideration for the job. Look where we are now!
I think it's about time for me to give up reading this blog. It's gotten stupid.
Hey John-
I don't know about the show. Never watched it. My name is John and really am from Cincinnati, and I've been around a lot longer than the show. Anyways, here's my post before it was so rudely disallowed. (I am also surprised at your behavior since I never peronally attack you or any poster on here). You sure it was just the caps and not the content?:
This team is the sorriest bunch of losers to play the game! It's time to turn the roster over now!!!! 12-20, the worst record in MLB, last place in the weakest division and we were supposed to contend this year! What a bunch of losers! Get rid of them all!!! Thing haven't even started getting ugly yet with the fans. Just wait til the next home game when the attendance will be 800. Players getting booed left and right. Castellini is having a growing meltdown with the fans. I want to hear from Walt Jocketty, something our previous GM woudn't do, address the fans. As a paying customer I want to hear the results of the organizaitonal meetings he had in St. Louis. I want to hear what direction they are plannign to take. I want to hear what the plan is. I want to hear them acknowledge this team is garbage. I want to hear them say it's time to get rid of players who hearts don't belong in Cincinnati and they'd rather be playing in BOston or Seattle. Then get rid of them now!!! Not tomorrow!!!! Get players who want to be here and knows what it means to have 'Cincinnati' across their chests!!!
Zippy, I'm on board with your crusade to launch Dunn to the leadoff spot. Hi-ho!
Wow....I was at all the games this weekend and I could not have been more disgusted. I only get to see the Reds 3 times a year when they come to Atl. and maybe 1-2 games in Cincy! This team has so many problems. The only thing consistent about the team is their inconsistency. One day they can pitch and the next they can't and that goes for hitting and fielding. There is just something not there with this team. I am usually optimistic with the Reds but, they have just broken my heart too many times for me to believe they will turn it around. Looking at the way they played this weekend if they don't take 2 of 3 or better from the Cubs they should trade off the team for prospects. The fire sale includes Dunn, Griffey(if he doesn't block the trade), Hatteberg, Patterson, Ross, Arroyo, Belisle, Coffey, and Fogg.
There's always next year...
Should have logged on earlier to weigh in on the Hamilton discussion. I guess I too, am in the minority, but there is no way you trade away Hamilton, when it means you have a starting outfield of Dunn, Griffey and Freel/Patterson/Hopper. I understand the argument of needing more pitching but don't trade away the player who has the highest upside of any player in the organization without having a plan for filling the hole left when the player is dealt.
Frankly, it is far too early to argue who got the best of the trade anyway. Let's talk about it a few years down the road. The bigger issue is how the Reds could make that trade and think the current outfield would allow them to contend.
Everyone said the Reds made great trades for Arroyo and Ross. Now Arroyo will cost the Reds over 20 million dollars over the next 2 plus seasons.
And don't look now but Bruce is starting to show why he didn't go north with the team out of spring training. Add that to Bailey's falling stock from a couple years ago and it makes one wonder about the player development side of the organization.
Not to be the master of the obvious but something is seriously wrong with this organization from top to bottom. It is rotten from the core. One can only hope that Jockety knows how to turn this around. Clearly his most recent predecessors were clueless. And if Jockety sets out a blueprint for rebuilding the organization, Mr. Castellini needs to stick to those plans and stop meddling.
great post Robby..you hit the "nail on the head"
JBA
"And don't look now but Bruce is starting to show why he didn't go north with the team out of spring training."
The REAL reasons Bruce didnt go north:
#3 Quad strain 2 weeks in, Dusty is worried about "Leg Problems"
(By the way, guys Bruce's age and physical condition, get over a quad strain in 2-3 days)
#2 Corey Patterson is signed as leadoff hitter and CF
(Between Dusty's guy being there and JB's "leg problems" Bruce cant get in a game) (Patterson did have a great spring, but we'll never know what Jay might have accomplished because he didnt get a real shot)
#1 reason jay bruce didnt go north out of spring training:
Keeping him in AAA for six weeks delays his arbitration one full year.
Im not saying hes ready, Im not saying hes not struggling a bit right now, but I am saying it wouldnt of mattered if he could have hit .450 this spring, he wasnt getting a shot and he wasnt goin north.
I don't know how many times I have to tell some you fantasy league guys. If you want someone to walk every time, you sign a midget. I hear they work a lot cheaper than our current walk leader and cover more ground in the outfield.
As for Lord Griffey and his 600 homer countdown, I would just as soon they sign Frank Robinson and see if he can get to 600. Might happpen a little quicker and I am sure we would get some better 'culture' in the clubhouse.
St CSA
Bruce did not go north because WK and Dusty thought they were gonna win this year and Dusty was enamored with this Patterson dude for some reason..
It sure is funny that JBA, CSA, and Another losing season post directly after each other numerous times on every blog...we're talking only a matter of minutes off.
Whoever is the REAL person under all 3 of these IDs, seriously needs to get a life and quit heckling people that post here. The person's lack of knowledge is continually left out in the open by the same closed-minded opinions under EACH of their 3 Ids. The total disregard to facts and constant Hamilton and Cantu posts are ridiculous.
All-in-all...these 3 are a complete waste of space on here.
Personally, I'd rather hear nails on a chalkboard before I hear another "Hamilton went 2-4 tonight" or "Don't know why we got rid of Cantu" rant.
My guess...JBA, CSA, and Another losing season is some 13 year old kid who THINKS that he knows the game of baseball. The lack of knowledge and maturity only suggests this.
Shame on you Robbie, remember attack the post not the blogger.
ST CSA
Shame on you Robbie, remember attack the post not the blogger.
Says the person that just called me out by name LOL
Take your own advice, Jack!
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