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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Monday, May 19, 2008

Lineup v. Dodgers (updated version)

Ryan Freel 3b
Corey Patterson cf
Ken Griffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Joey Votto 1b
Jerry Hairston ss
Paul Bako c
Bronson Arroyo p

V. RH Brad Penny

Edwin Encarnacion is getting a day off. He's 9-for-53 over his last 14 games with only four RBI.

"I think he needs a day," Dusty Baker said. "I told him last night and he didn't fight it, so you know he needs it."

Ryan Freel is 7-for-17 off Penny.

Paul Janish or Hairston is a tough call. Janish had the big game yesterday. But Hairston is hitting .500 (7-for-14) in his last four starts with a double in each game. I know his career numbers aren't very good, but he seems to bring a lot energy to the lineup.

"I've two guys going good," Baker said. "That's a good situation."


at 7:22 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John I'm sure there must be a statistical reason but why is Double-E not in the line up?

at 7:30 PM Blogger ryan said...

When it's all said and done....we'll have one of the best pitcing staffs in baseball......and we'll be in the playoffs!

at 7:42 PM Blogger PJFan16 said...

Good lord is makes me giddy to have these two on the top of the lineup now before I get blasted hear me out. I love Having that much speed at the top of the lineup because it allows Dusty to play small ball.

at 7:44 PM Blogger Pat said...

EE's batted 174 over the last week. He needs a rest.

at 7:44 PM Blogger Joe said...

I would have liked to see Janish in the line-up.

Good to see EE getting a day off. He's been cooling off lately and a mental day may be needed.

Lets hope Arroyo has a good game tonight.

I hate West coast road trips....just kill you the next morning.

at 7:53 PM Blogger cinredlegs4 said...

Joe I agree with you. I would have liked to see Janish in the lineup after reaching base all 4 times yesterday, but Hairston is still playing good ball.

at 7:58 PM Blogger IanFromOhioU said...

I would like to see Janish in the lineup. John, has he had any experience at 3rd base in his short career?

at 8:03 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

You just got to laugh at Baker's lineups. They rarely make any sense.

at 8:04 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Who is Freed?

at 8:24 PM Blogger fiveisalimit said...

maybe switch Patterson and Hairston?

at 8:27 PM Blogger Rob said...

ok CSA post your lineup each day so we can laugh at that. Lighten up.
Dont you think Dusty Baker might know a thing or two about baseball and how to order the line-up since he played in the big leagues for 19 seasons and has managed for 15 more. And he is around his players day after day so he can tell when they feel good and when they feel worn out.

at 8:37 PM Blogger dmiller9500 said...

Glad to see the hot hitting Griffey in his prototypical 3 hole spot. Can someone reference the law that says KGJ must hit either 3rd or 4th?

at 8:38 PM Blogger AReds83 said...

Why not start Janish at SS and start Hairston in CF?

at 8:42 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

"I've two guys going good," Baker said. "That's a good situation."

So why arent they both in the lineup?
Freel 3b
Jannish SS
Hairston CF

at 8:46 PM Blogger Da Phoenixx said...

Its an unwritten law that says a future 1st ballot hall of famer, top 10 greatest players ever, deserves the respect to not be dropped out of that slot. Always been that way.

at 8:48 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must say that Patterson is a comfort in CF, especially in cavernous Dodger Stadium, but his spot so high in the lineup (and Hairston down below) makes as much sense as Griffey batting third.

at 8:55 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Dont you think Dusty Baker might know a thing or two about baseball and how to order the line-up since he played in the big leagues for 19 seasons and has managed for 15 more.

The stats would say no. He doesn't know a thing or two. His lineups make no sense. He said guys on base clogs the bases.

at 8:56 PM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

not a bad lineup aside from dinosaur jr. in the 3 hole...don't mind seeing janish sit against penny, i'm sure he'll be in the game late if the redlegs have a lead.

besides, we wouldn't want patterson to cool off from sitting 2 days in a row

at 8:59 PM Blogger JerBear said...

AReds I'm with ya on that one. Dusty Baker really likes Corey Patterson, and maybe you can't blame him. You hear how managers and general managers have certain guys that they like and if they are drafted high then they will continue to get chance after chance even if it's not necessarily deserved.

At the same time, the Reds have won 6 in a row so Baker has been making a lot of good moves.

I think we just need to be patient. If Corey Patterson continues to hit in the .220s with the players behind him that have been so successful (Freel, Hairston Jr. and Bruce in Triple A) then I have confidence that the right guys will get most of the playing time.

It's weird...I hope Patterson turns it around, but at the same time I wouldn't be too upset if he didn't just because I think the other guys are better options. lol

Oh well...we can never hit Brad Penny anyway...so I am all for trying some crazy lineup. If the Reds beat Brad Penny tonight, then they may just be a team of destiny!

at 9:17 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

This has already been mentioned but worth mentioning again in my opinion. Patterson and Hairston should swap places in this lineup. But, I'm surprised Patterson isn't leading off so I won't press my luck.

at 9:25 PM Blogger AFMike said...

It is funny how we all seem to think we know more about setting a lineup than Dusty. While I'm not a huge fan of his, I will confess he's a whole lot smarter than all of us.

I do believe that Junior is going to come around, but in the same breath, I would like to see him moved if possible. Until that happens, I would leave him right in the 3rd spot and hopefully he will get hot. Yesterdays single I was as important as any hit the Reds got.

If the Reds can go 4-3 on this trip, I believe they will be in good shape. I'm only sorry that Krviski was fired before his team turned things around. John, do you think or has anyone asked Mr. Castellini his feelings on the teams success?

Go Reds!

at 9:34 PM Blogger smtides said...

I always get a kick out of the guys that bring up the "clog the bases" comment as proof that Baker sucks.

I sometimes wonder if they really believe Baker thinks having guys on base is bad, or if they just think it will help their board cred with JBA and CSA?

at 9:37 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

It is funny how we all seem to think we know more about setting a lineup than Dusty.

I wish it was funny. The joke is on Dusty, though. There are years of proof that Corey Patterson doesn't belong at the top of a batting order. There's no logical explanation for it and no amount of knowledge that can support it. Doesn't matter if you've played the game, managed the game, or invented the game.

at 9:45 PM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

jr. top 10 greatest ever?

i don't buy that, but i'd be willing to hear some lists...

at 9:47 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Hamilton had another homerun this evening..leads the American League in homers and RBIs..4th in batting average

enjoy the game gang


at 10:04 PM Blogger Joe said...

Top 10 ever - too many to consider - a top 30 would eliminate a lot of arguments.

at 10:11 PM Blogger Richard said...


He is intolerable to listen to.

at 10:11 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Dont you think Dusty Baker might know a thing or two about baseball"

No, I truly believe he does not. That belief was thoroughly enforced every time I listened to him on ESPN. And it continues to be enforced every time I read his quotes in the Enquirer. And see his lineups.

at 10:28 PM Blogger redsfaninwestvirginia said...

off to a good start 1-0

at 10:30 PM Blogger redsfaninwestvirginia said...

off to a good start

Go Reds!

at 10:46 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey JackBlueAsh don't you think Ranger fans miss Volquez just slightly considering he's 7-1 now and leading the majors in ERA. Don't get me wrong I miss Hamilton, but be thankful to have a pitcher like this guy. The daily posting of Hamilton's stats is kind of getting old, we all know how good he is.

at 10:48 PM Blogger Chillicothe redfan said...

Any chance Janish can play some right field?

Seriously, he keeps hitting the ball like he has been, Dusty will see that Hairston and Janish get time. Besides, nice to have a decent PH bat on the bench if you need it.

at 10:53 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Bronson looks ok tonight, now up to 14 scoreless inings. Penny seems a little sketchy, if this continues for a few inings I like our chances tonight.

at 10:57 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

go to sleep now csa

nite nite

at 10:57 PM Blogger Joe said...

Dunn - 5 games in a row! Who would have thought!

at 10:58 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Dunn it again!

at 11:00 PM Blogger Tom & Shelly Hehenberger said...

Whoo-hoo, go Dunner! Another home run--what is that 5 games in a row?

at 11:01 PM Blogger David Hartman said...

Can we please trade Adam Dunn for a bucket of balls already?

He's absolutely killing this team.

at 11:03 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

why play janish in right when he is a natural ss?

at 11:05 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Hamilton had another homerun this evening..leads the American League in homers and RBIs..4th in batting average

And? In case you haven't noticed, Volquez leads all of baseball with a 1.33 ERA.

at 11:11 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Janish has what, 5 major league at bats? How about we relax before putting him in RF.

at 11:13 PM Blogger Chillicothe redfan said...

reaganshad, it was a joke. That's why the next sentence began with "seriously"

I 'm just hoping Griffey can get himself going. I love seeing Freel getting on base though!

at 11:15 PM Blogger LittleRedMachine said...

Dunn could hit? Who knew?

at 11:28 PM Blogger Dave said...

Miller, the rule is you put your best hitter 3, or maybe 4 if he's a power guy. Jr. isn't hitting this year, but if you look at the last two years, the only guys who sniff his numbers are Phillips and Dunn (you know, the other guy ignorant fans from Cincy love to hate). He's a consistent 30 HR, 90+ RBI guy - he'll start clicking this year and do similar.

at 11:45 PM Blogger Dave said...

Go back a few weeks ago and look it up - I told all you Dunn haters he would heat up and start carrying the team...fast forward two weeks and here we are - headed for our 7th straight, he's got a pair of hits and 3 RBIs...I'm still waiting on someone to name a better option to replace him in left, via either free agency or a realistic trade (not Pujols for Hatteberg and Bailey).

at 11:54 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

got it now chillicothe

harriston has been playing well but he cost BA an innings worth of pitches with the error

at 1:30 AM Blogger Dave said...

Rough game - D is still needed, and we cost ourselves this one...also, sadly, David Weathers, God love him, no longer has 8th inning stuff. He's still solid enough to pitch good middle relief, but he doesn't have the K left in his heater, and his offspeed stuff doesn't have the necessary bite. We would be better-served with Burton sliding back to where he pitched so well last year - setup duty.

at 7:14 AM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

dave, the difference between your prediction on dunn vs. dinosuar jr. is age...dunn is still in his prime, dinosaur jr is an old, fat, slow, dead pull hitter that can no longer catch up to the inside fastball. he won't sniff 30 hr's this year and i'd be surprised if he totals 30 over the rest of his career...slugging .369 w/ only 11 extra basehits in 160 ABs...that's juan castro territory

that sauid, he's still decent enough at driving in runs, and could still make a contribution as a pinch-hitter / spot starter if he was willing to accept that role which he isn't....i see longoria, the #2 prospect in MLB last year, won another game for the rays last night...it's time, get bruce up here and give him the RF job*

*After I see him play in Columbus on Memorial Day

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