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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Cubs 7, Reds 6

Picked a bad night to write the previous post on David Weathers, eh?

He simply did not have it. You could tell when he fell behind Ryan Theriot.

“Terrible outing,” Weathers said. “I felt uncomfortable from the first pitch – rusty. I just didn't get it done.”

Weathers walked Ryan Theriot to start the ninth. Derrek Lee hit the next pitch into right for a single. Aramis Ramirez hit a ball that center fielder Norris Hopper made a diving attempt on. It went to the wall for a triple. The Reds walked Daryle Ward, and then brought Hopper into play right in front of second base.

Why not walk the next hitter as well?

“I don’t like to load the bases if I don’t have to,” Mackanin said. “It puts more pressure on the pitcher. If there’s a base open, the pitcher has the ability to make pitches.”

Mark DeRosa hit one off Weathers' glove. If he catches it or lets it go, the Reds get an out and would have had a slim chance of escaping.

The loss, by the way, was Reds' 82nd of the year. That guarantees that the streak of losing seasons goes to seven.


at 12:20 AM Blogger Redsheart said...

...... Weathers blew the save again. He did same thing when Rich Hill pitched against us July 27.


He did the same thing over and over again. What a shame we lost again....

This bullpen is going to false to our trust till last day of this season? I'm rooting for the Reds even now. But I can't believe this organization anymore. I don't want to watch this bad bullpen next year, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

at 6:27 AM Anonymous George Hale said...

And therefore Mackanin has yet to record a winning season as a major league manager, and he never will (I predict).

at 7:09 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trade Griffey to Seattle so he can hit his 600th home run and finish his career there. Hopefully we could get a starting pitcher for him. Next year's line up, Dunn in left, Hopper in center, Hamilton in right. Encarnacion at third, Keppinger at short, Phillips at second and Votto at first. Young and inexpensive lineup should leave money to get another starting pitcher.

The first year Griffey was a Red, 2000, was the last season the Reds had a winning record and a manager. Since then, bargain priced managers that inspire no one. Let's get a plan for 2008 and bring back baseball to Cincinnati.

at 8:18 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, "write" not "right." Weathers has never been good enough to Close for a "competitive" team. He needs to learn the meaning of the word "conditioning" and lose at least 2 of his 4 chins (for his health's sake if nothing else). Why the Reds tolerate slobs is a big fat mystery. This team is going nowhere again in 2008 even if they take the Ho-Hos and Skyline garbage off their training table but better conditioning normally leads to better physical ability and more stamina and even better decision-making (yes, the Valenzuelas and Wellses and Luis Tiants excelled in the blubber zone but it's the rare pitcher who couldn't benefit from a saner approach to diet and exercise) just as it's the rare journalist who couldn't benefit from slowing down and proofreading better!

at 8:27 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Picked a bad night to right the previous post on David Weathers, eh?"

So, do you call yourself a "righter" in public?

at 8:52 AM Blogger Jeff Lehner said...

"Picked a bad night to right the previous post on David Weathers, eh?"

You're not kidding!

Weathers has had a good year but I think going into 2008 with him as the 9th inning solution would be unwise. I'd go with Burton or see what free agency or a trade could bring. Nothing against Weathers but it seems to me betting on a 38 year old guy's arm holding up for another year isn't a move a true contender would make.

at 9:13 AM Anonymous ABC said...

CSA, did you see Griffey blow that save. Oh yea, that was Weathers. Well, Weathers must have come in the game with a bad attitude, and that must have been Griffeys fault.

at 12:07 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

REDSFAN 1974 This is it for me. 7 Losing season's in A Row. The REds have never been as bad as they are now, since the 30's. Griffey cursed this team!

at 2:13 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Griffey had bunted home the runner on 3rd (no one holding him on with the shift)in the 1st inning Weathers would have had another run to play with. Does Griff have a no bunt clause in his contract?

at 2:31 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey ABC, did you watch Hopper run about 50 yards to try and make that diving catch, all the while Griffey jogged about 10?? Maybe had Griffey busted his butt for once he would have been there to back up Hopper and held the runner to a double,or even a single.

Oh wait, my bad, he's got 593 homeruns, he can do whatever he wants.

at 2:44 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Unfortunately other major league franchises have GMs and ownership with more experience and baseball knowledge than the Cincinnati Reds.
They are much too smart to give the Reds anything for Griffey. The only way the Reds will be able to deal him is if they pick up a large part of his salary. We will probably be cursed with him for one more season. There is no way they will bring him back after his contract expires.

Ken, why don't you do something for the real baseball fans for once and RETIRE!

at 2:54 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

“I don’t like to load the bases if I don’t have to,” Mackanin said. “It puts more pressure on the pitcher. If there’s a base open, the pitcher has the ability to make pitches.”

HUH! Please bring a real manager in here for next season!

at 3:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's 8 losing seasons in a row. look out bengals.

at 3:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

nope - nevermind. it is only 7 straight losing seasons - went back and checked. my bad. guess it just feels like 8 straight. or 18 straight.

at 6:06 PM Anonymous Seattle Slim said...

Don't be trying to send that loafing, conceited, dry baby back to us! We were smart enough to get rid of him when we still could.

at 6:56 PM Blogger starbuck said...

Weathers is not consistent enough to be considered a closer. I made the comment last week that Weathers is lucky to have been o successful this year. I still contend that a reliever who has blown 5 saves and lost 4 or 5 games (That would actually mean that he actually blew a save opportunity plus gave up additional runs to earn the loss)is NOT a successful closer. We have to find a real closer next year, John. This guy is not the adequate for a team who has any aspirations of contending for a division title!!!

at 7:08 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Look at Weathers' stats compared to other closers. A lot of guys have blown five saves. Chad Cordero's blown nine. When you add in the fact that Weathers saved 11 games going more than one inning, he's a had a good year. I suspect the Reds will go to camp with him as the closer with the idea that Burton takes over at some point.

at 7:58 PM Blogger Phill said...

Ah yes the curse of Ken Griffey Jr....That roughly .280 average. The thirty homeruns, the 93 rbi's the 78 runs, 85 walks, 145 hits(second most on the team)...that is really ruining the Cincinnati Reds.

Chances are Griffey either retires at the end of next year or he keeps playing but for a different team(maybe go back to the AL). He's gonna be around til 08 is over. The fact that the only time he's been sidelined during the actual season was due to a stomach issue is amazing. I see no reason to get rid of him unless it's part of a trade for something proven and good.

at 9:04 PM Anonymous Brad said...

have to agree with you Phil Griffey has some shortcomings as do all players, but I really am embarrassed FOR some of these people who try to blame him for so much more than he is responsible for. And the unecessary meanness to how they do it. I think its just to mask their inability to discuss the main problems with this ballclub, such as where to find a couple of starting pitchers,bullpen. Also, how much can we count on Josh Hamilton to not be sick or injured, how to get value in trade or playing time for Ryan Freel making 3 and 4 mil in 08 and 09 with the emergence of Hopper and Keppinger. We have to be realistic in looking at these.

at 9:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brad- you bring up some good points. To take that further, Bailey AND Cueto are going to have to emerge in 08. Noone is going to trade away good pitching and the Reds have nothing to trade that anyone wants to get it anyway, except Phillips, Bruce or Votto and I don't see that happening. Also, no pitcher who is a free agent who is effective would want to pitch here, for numerous reasons. The only chance this team has next year is to develop its own pitchers.

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