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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Reds 5, Cubs 2

David Weathers has taken the position as campaign director for the Aaron Harang Cy Young drive.

"Everyone says it's (Jake) Peavy in a runaway," Weathers said. "Lay out the numbers."

Harang is 16-4 with a 3.61 ERA. He's pitched 216 2/3 innings, allowed 194 hits, walked 51 and struck out 198.

Peavy is 18-6 with a 2.39 ERA. He's pitched 203 innings, allowed 151 hits, walked 61 and struck out 220.

So if the season ended today, you'd have to go with Peavy. But Harang has two more starts.

“Give me one guy for one start," Weathers said, “and I can't think of anybody in this league I’d take over (Harang). We lean on him, and he delivers.”


at 1:25 AM Blogger kingseyeland said...

Harang would get a lot more love if his ERA were about a run lower and his team ever had a winning record.

He'd also be about 20-3 if not for this bullpen.

at 3:05 AM Blogger Phill said...

The thing that kills Harang is two things and probably two things only. It's his ERA and the team he plays for. His ERA is just too high for a Cy Young winner. If it was around 3.20 or so he'd have to be like the number 2 guy and definately be in the running for first place.

Although as pointed out above, had his record not been skewed by some awful bullpen outings he'd probably get it, regaurdless of his ERA.

at 6:31 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who's to blame for the bullpen? The answer is simple: KRIVSKY I believe and will always believe he handicapped Narron from the beginning!!!1

at 6:41 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harang has to pitch in Great American Ballpark and Peavy gets to pitch at Petco Park. I think the differential in their ERA's has a lot to do with that. Harang won't win it until the Reds start winning.

at 8:12 AM Blogger Wumi said...

I DO love Harang a lot! But I just wanted to laugh when I saw this post! Com'on, Harang has no chance getting a Cy Young this year! I know it, you know it, everyone knows it! Just like what kingseyeland said, if Harang has 20 wins, Peavy doesn't, then higher ERA and lower strikeouts probably won't matter. But here we go, the season will end in one and half week, there is no chance Harang can catch Peavy and beat him on those categories. Even though, I still think Harang deserve being voted for Cy Young!

at 9:33 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Harang pitched in San Diego his era would be a run lower.

at 9:38 AM Anonymous MONEY MIKE said...

two things that hurt harang the biggest...playing at GABP and being on a non-contender such as the reds

at 9:44 AM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

I LOVE Aaron Harang, but this isn't even a close debate. Jake Peavy is every bit the horse that Harang is -- AND his ERA is over a run lower, AND he's pitching as the "stopper" for a team in the thick of a pennant race.

Harang better get some 2nd and 3rd place votes this year, though.

And 8:33 is overstating the park effects. According to baseball-reference.com, Harang's ERA drops to 3.14 if you "normalize" the stats for ballpark effects. Peavy's stays at 2.39. ERA+, which IS adjusted for park effects, has Jake at 174 (74% better than average). Aaron's at 131.

at 10:24 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peavy actually has a lower ERA on the road than at home. And if I had to choose one pitcher in the NL to start a must win game, I'd take John Smoltz. Lets hope Harang at least garners a few Cy Young votes this year.


at 11:13 AM Anonymous Jon said...

Even with no personal award Harang is a consistent horse and I would love to have a couple more like him. Question for John Fay- just how do the Reds go about improving the pitching for next season? No impact free agent would realisticly want to sign here.Noone would trade us good pitching without getting something worthwhile in return. I still like Griffey but we are not going to get anything in return and if Dunn's option is picked up he has a total no trade until June 15. Where does this improved pitching come from?

at 11:24 AM Blogger John Fay said...

I think they have to look at trading a valuable player -- freel, hamilton, encarnacion, keppinger. The free agent market isn't good.

at 11:27 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John - Do you know what the Reds' record is when Votto starts? It's gotta be good. Thanks.

at 11:33 AM Anonymous Jon said...

Follow-up for John Fay. Do ypu think the Reds would consider trading any of those guys that would bring some good pitching such as Phillips, Bruce, Votto, Encarnacion, Hamilton, Gonzalez, Freel etc. either by themselves or in combination?

at 11:46 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please John, don't mention Hamilton or Encarnacion in trade talks. I would hate to see those guys go. Trading Freel and Keppinger is a no brainer if you ask me, especially if someone is actually willing to give something up for them.

at 11:51 AM Blogger John Fay said...

don't think they'll trade Phillips, probably not Hamilton. Any of the others? Yes. Don't have the record with votto in front of me. Did notice they are 17-10 with Hamilton leading off.

at 12:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ideally, we could move either Dunn or Griffey for a decent arm. If not, trading one of them for some right handed pop. This not only changes the culture in the clubhouse, but hopefully frees up some cash to pursue pitching by whatever means.

I wonder how many players it would take to pry Santana loose from the Twins? It would seem the Reds have plenty of hitters, which is what Minnesota needs.

Mr. Fay, do you really think Freel has value? At his salary, we'll be lucky to give him away.

at 12:44 PM Blogger Phill said...

I'd say most on the block would be a guy like Freel. I'd be willing to see Keppinger go if it brough back good pitching.

It doesn't seem that Krivsky has given up on EE so I don't think he'd go. He looks like yet again he's poised for a great year next year. Hopefully his break out.

at 12:57 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John - Do you think there's any chance the Reds would move the fences back in the corners next year to help the pitchers?

at 2:04 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freel has no value, at least not for a good pitcher. Good defense, good speed, but when your OBP is so low, that speed is wasted.

at 2:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, How many times in a season does someone ask you what 11:57 did?

at 5:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the record: Harang has started 17 games at home with an ERA of 3.33 and 15 games on the road with an era of 3.91......he's better at home.....GASP doesn't seem to hurt him much at all.

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