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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, December 5, 2007

Cantu released

The Reds released Jorge Cantu in anticipation of making a pick in tomorrow's Rule 5 Draft.

I did not see that one coming.

Cantu, 25, hit .298 with a home run and nine RBI in 57 at-bats after the Reds got him in a trade from Tampa Bay for RHP Calvin Medlock and LHP Brian Shackelford.


26 Comments:

at 2:46 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

seems kind of stupid. The guy can play and there is now way anyone from the Rule 5 draft is better.

 
at 2:47 PM Anonymous Dan said...

That's really a shocker. Most people were thinking a platoon @ 1B with Votto, in case he struggled early and a backup to Phillips @ 2b & EE @ 3b. I would think it highly unlikely that Votto will be packaged in any trade now, and unless you project Keppinger or Freel as an everyday 3b, which I do not, EE would appear to not be going anywhere.

 
at 2:50 PM Anonymous redsfan45 said...

i dont get that move!!!.. rather see magic-man released before Cantu!!

 
at 2:57 PM Anonymous MONEY MIKE said...

Someone will def. pick him up, but I dont know why the Reds released him. I would like to know who we are going to get in the draft, maybe that will make the realease of Cantu make a bit more sense.

 
at 2:58 PM Blogger Anthony said...

Thats crazy, Cantu was a great fit with the reds!

 
at 3:06 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John,
I am a bit surprised they could not move Cantu. Was there a bit of interest in him from other teams?
Woody

 
at 3:14 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am thinking Cantu will be named in the Mitchell report

 
at 3:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am stifled, he did pretty good while he was with the Reds. I wonder who we will get in the Rule 5 draft. Also will we trade Hamilton?

 
at 3:16 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

I'm not buying the Rule V draft excuse one iota.

This move has exactly the same track marks as Ryan Jorgensen, and you all know what happened shortly thereafter.

Thar's a carp in 'at thar fish tank on this move.

 
at 3:20 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is bizarre. They must have a deal with whoever has the first pick. But still makes no sense unless Cantu has become off limits.

 
at 3:24 PM Anonymous Greg B said...

This is disgusting to me. Jorge Cantu is a great baseball player that has proven he can put up big numbers in a big ballpark in tampa. He could have been great at great american. He is not a player that should be getting dropped. We freaking traded for him last year and gave up a good relief pitcher to get him. This is so sad. I have always supported Krivsky but I'm done now. Krivsky thinks he is too clever. I'm so mad right now. Oh yea, Cantu is only 25 and the platoon with Votto was going to be great. damnit.

 
at 3:34 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

my guess is he asked for release...he is 3rd at 1st behind hatteberg and votto, and freel/keppinger back up the rest of the infield...he was slowly becoming the last guy off the bench...i wish him luck wherever he ends up and hope he gets a starting gig somewhere!

trade hamilton, I want to see hopper roaming center and leadoff bunting!

 
at 3:51 PM Blogger John Fay said...

We talk Krivksy at 5:30 Cincinnati time. We'll get a more detailed explanation.

Remember, they were able to trade Buck Coats earlier today. Cantu will make decent money -- he's arbitration-eligible -- but I'll admit I immediately thought there's got to be another explanation. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions.

 
at 3:55 PM Anonymous Dan said...

Even IF Cantu is on the Mitchell Report, he wasn't on the juice last year when the Reds acquired him, becuase they were testing last year. KC signs Guillen to a 3 yr., $36M deal and it is almost a foregone conclusion that he is on it. So who is a bigger risk at their projected salary? The point is, he DID PERFORM last year as a right-handed bat. I can't believe the ANYONE in the Rule 5 draft can provide that production, as well as play as many positions as Cantu.

The only GOOD expanation is that there is a multi-player trade going down and the Reds will acquire an extra ML ready player who will play that role. Hope so anyway!

 
at 4:02 PM Blogger Trevis said...

I echo anom@3:14. Must be in the Mitchell Report, or some other severe off field issue. It makes no sense otherwise for a team that can't hit lefthanders as it is.

 
at 4:23 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Sorry but both Hamilton and Burton are better than Cantu.
"Nobody in Rule 5 will be better than Cantu"

Come on. Obviously had no trade value or they would have Buck Coats him.

Jon Lieber is interesting, but I still like Jason Jennings and keep our kids...

• Free-agent pitcher Jon Lieber is attracting interest from the Royals, Astros and Reds. The Mets and Rangers have also inquired about him as a potential fallback option. Lieber missed the second half of last season, but not with an arm injury. He ruptured a tendon in his foot running to back up home plate, but he's expected to be fully healthy by spring training.

 
at 4:25 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

The comments by Cantu's agent and Krivsky concerning the arbitration don't make a lot of sense either.

What salary leverage does Cantu have after spending big parts of the past two seasons in the minors and being injured?

And, it's a month before arb filings and almost two months before hearings, so they couldn't bat around some numbers for a couple of weeks?

Instead, the Reds would rather add a Rule V player, taking up a roster spot again, to replace a guy with some versatility, experience and pop in his bat?

Very strange.

 
at 4:33 PM Blogger Trevis said...

Maybe its a typo and it suppose to be Castro!

 
at 4:42 PM Anonymous Dazed&Confused. . .Again by Krivsky said...

How can Buck Coats be traded for cash or a player to be named later, but we just release Cantu? Coats, with apologies to friends and family of his will never be a successful Major League ball player. Cantu has already proven himself to be a success at the big league level. Yes, he had a few down years but he looked very good at the plate for the reds last year. He consistantly gave them solid at bats albeit in garbage time. Unless he is a clubhouse problem I don't see how there aren't about 31 teams after him right now, if for nothing else a solid bench player. Yeah, why would a small market club like the Reds need a low risk high reward player? Is Encarnacion's ceiling really higher than Cantu's?
If he signs with a NL central team I'll never forgive Krivsky.

 
at 4:44 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Reagan, it's hard to trade a guy this close to his arbritration filing, and Rule V picks are historically failures. The fact the Reds got lucky twice in one year is more than most teams have in 10-15 years.

Besides, Hamilton and Burton are not comps to Cantu. Hamilton is a left-handed hitter, which the Reds have too many, and Burton is a pitcher. That Cantu is versatile, MLB-experienced and a right-handed bat with some pop is why he had value to this team.

Plus, they gave up a decent Class AA pitching prospect in Medlock to get him.

 
at 4:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's sit tight. I think all of this points to the fact that something is up.

 
at 5:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe if you waited Mr. Redleg instead of implicating steriod use by him,you might find out why.

 
at 5:05 PM Blogger Dave from Louisville said...

Does this create a spot to protect Guevara? Chris Kline of BA thought his was one of the top 5 available.

 
at 5:19 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's too bad we couldn't get anything for Cantu, but besides that I have no problem with letting him go. He seemed like just another average infielder in an already crowded infield. If he goes on to be great on another team you can rag on me all you want, but I don't think that will happen.
However, does this mean that the Reds will be keeping Hatteburg? I was hoping they could send him in a package for a good starting pitcher. Krivsky's still my man though.

 
at 8:30 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Thanks Mr. Redlegs,
I agree that it is a weird move, but Cantu might be the third option behind Kep and Hopper off the bench in a pinch.
Votto hits lefthanders just fine and I see 150 game potential. Hatte also hits lefties fine.
Wayne did great last year in Rule 5, and also helped a bunch in Minnesota seeing/doing the same.

I see the Reds needing him as less of an issue than they did not get the 25K or PTBNL.

 
at 11:20 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The idea that Cantu might be in the Mitchell report is actually plausible, considering his rapid fall from his big year in 05. From 05 to 06 he cut his HR and RBI totals in half and struggled with injuries. Haven't we seen enough of Barry Bonds to recognize the effects of suddenly stopping steroids?
I've got nothing against Cantu. He was very useful. I actually would have kept him and Coats. But there's a reason somewhere out there for his problems.
Now would someone mind telling me why the hell Jerry Gil is still on the roster?

 
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