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Tuesday, December 18, 2007

Rose on the Mitchell Report

Pete Rose is going to be on "Sports Unfiltered with Dennis Miller" on Versus (it's a cable network) tomorrow at 10 p.m. Here's what Rose had to say about the Mitchell Report:

"The Mitchell report’s come out and I never thought anybody would make me look like an altar boy."

"If you’re gonna put these guys that supposedly did steroids into the Hall of Fame, I mean I gotta get a shot somewhere."

"I’ve been suspended 18 years for betting on my own team to win… I was wrong....but these guys today, if the allegations are true, they’re making a mockery of the game."

I think the Mitchell Report is going to keep Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds out of the Hall of Fame, unless the allegations are proven untrue. Rose's problem now is that even if he was re-instated it's up to Veteran's Committee to put him in. I don't see that happening.


27 Comments:

at 1:21 PM Blogger Cindy Thomson said...

John, would you mind saying exactly why the Veterans Committee would never put Rose in?

 
at 1:27 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John:

This is off-topic from the post, but I saw on mlbtraderumors.com that the Mariners are in "serious negotiations" w/ Carlos Silva. If that deal goes down, would that make the Reds the top trading partner to your knowledge??

Not saying a deal gets done w/ the Reds, but from what I've read the Mariners (Silva?), Dodgers (Kuroda), and the Reds were the three teams involved.

Thanks.

~ Matt

 
at 1:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Inever noticed that Clemens ever had a bad season. As far as he goes, I'll just wait and see. But he better step up prove his case soon. The longer he sits back on this, the worse he'll look. Rose can tell him that personally.

Rose is not the only person saying he should be given another chance. Many fans and sportswriters have been saying it the last week. Rose got all his records legitimately. He deserves to not only be in the Hall, but he should be allowed back into baseball altogether. No one will hire him as a manager, of course. But what team wouldn't want him as a minor league hitting coach at the very least? Few people alive would be better.

But it is odd that after all this time of defending Bonds, Rose would say the steroids users made a mockery of the game. He was there in the best seat in the house, watching Aaron make the homerun record. But he defended Bonds. The homerun record is the one evryone look for. Bonds made a mockery out of it

 
at 1:38 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Rose, Bonds and Clemens had done enough to be in the Hall before their transgressions.

It's just not a legit Hall when the people at the top of the leaderboards are not included. At some point, the Hall needs a work-around so it doesn't look so sanctimonious. It's baseball, not burning in hell.

 
at 1:44 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Old-timers,like the ones on Veteran's Committee, are hardliners on gambling. I didn't say they'd never let him in, but my guess is it would be difficult.

The fewer potential trade partners for Baltimore, the better the Reds chances.

 
at 2:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obviously there are a few factors in the way of Pete making the HoF, but one thing that is irritating to me is that Pete keeps popping up lobbying for his own reinstatement/HoF consideration.

Seriously, humility might set in after 18 years with most human beings . He ought to step back, move on, and let others do the talking for him - and, in the end, if baseball wants him back it will take him back.

Stalking the one you love will only make it worse for all involved.

 
at 2:05 PM Blogger jdeezman said...

As far as I'm concerned, we don't know that even Pete Rose wasn't a "greenie popper" from back in the day.
The fact is that everyone is always looking for a competitive edge. Some go about it in legal ways, some illegal.
The Mitchell report has plenty of circumstantial evidence, but NO ONE is guilty of anything until it's proven in a court of law.

This IS America, last time I checked.

MLB in and of itself should be self sanctioned and ashamed for turning a blind eye to this KNOWN problem for years.

If Bud Selig/MLB really want to do the right thing, they would come out with a proclamation stating that this era WILL be called the PED era, and that they are sorry for it, and will work to right the situation.

Then they should just move on.

Rose, Bonds, and Clemens deserve to be in the HOF just as much as Ty Cobb does.

Ty Cobb was one of the most bigoted and racially prejudiced players in MLB history... but by God, he's in the HOF. If his openly rascist ways aren't an embarrassment to the HOF, then a little gambling and some HGH/steroids shouldn't be either.

Sanctimonious BS is just that... BS!

 
at 2:24 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as 'old timers' like Bob Feller and Johnny Bench are still around, Pete Rose will never get voted in the Hall of Fame.

 
at 2:52 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are Pete's Major Records
All-time Major league record for career hits-4256
All time Major league record for most games played-3562
All -time Major league record for most at bats-14053
All -time Major league record for
most singles-3315
All -time Major league record for
mosttotal bases for switch hitter-5752
All -time Major league record for
most seasons of 200 or more hits-10
All -time Major league record for
most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits-23
All -time Major league record for
most seasons of 600 or more at bats-17
All -time Major league record for
most seasons 150 or more at bats -17
All -time Major league record for 100 or games-23
All -time Major league record for
playing most winning games-1972
Only player in Major League history to play more than 500 games at five different positions-1B(939),2B(628),3B(634),LF(671),RF(595)
All-time Major league record for playingmost winning games-1972
All-time National league record for
most years played-24
All-time National league record for
most consecutive years played-24
All-time National league record for
most career runs-2165
All-time National league record for
most career doubles-746
All-time National league record for
most games 5 or more hits-10
Modern National league record for
longest consecutive game hitting streak 44(June 14-July31,1978)
Modern National league record for
most streaks of 20 or more games-7

Think he should be in the Hall?

 
at 2:53 PM Blogger Duke Danbury said...

I find it both sad and hilarious that people in Cincinnati still think Rose should be in the HOF. He gambled..which is No-no Rule #1 (see Sox, Black). And then he lied about it for almost 20 years.

Cincinnati is a strange town.

 
at 3:02 PM Anonymous mdred said...

to jdeezman:
even Roberts, the face and most favorable of Oriole's, who has the most circumstantial evidence (by Bigbie), now made a statement and admit of use, funny, once! of steroids. This, and after Pettite, looks like will shut up the critics of the Mitchell report. The fallout will continue and spread.

 
at 3:13 PM Blogger oldtimer said...

Actually we do know that Pete popped greenies. Hey in the 70s guys smoked pot and played hung over and drunk. Doc Ellis pitched a no hitter on LSD. Lots of people experimented with stuff.

But steroids are different. They give you strength and muscularity you would not be able to develop otherwise, in a sport where superior specimens can use these to gain an unfair advantage. Pitching on LSD is exotic and kinda dumb: hitting home runs on steroids is plain and simple cheating. Irregardless of what the rules say. It's an unfair advantatge. I sure in heck wouldn't want to play against a steroids laced player and call it even.

Of course in the 80s a lot of Pete's buddies were guys he met at Gold's Gym. I played softball against a team with Tommy G. and Dave Rose, and we didn't call them The Steroids for nothin'. You gotta think Pete noticed what steroids could do for his buddies, and he played at a high level well into his 40s like Bonds. I bet Tommy G could shed some interesting light on this.

Having said all that, I believe the Old Timers committee is a bunch of addle brained idiots, whose self interest in keeping their little club exclusive, robs them of all their credibility with me. Pete Rose was one of the all time greats, play with more enthusiasm and love for the game than anyone I ever saw. Like Pete said, 18 years is a long time. But lying to our faces for 14 years is a long time too.

Without Pete the Hall of Fame is an irrelevant footnote of buffoonery. Period.

 
at 3:39 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

"PED users make a mockery of the game" . . . said the world champion amphetimine champion of the 1970s.

Why do we still listen to what that idiot has to say? Is he peddling another book?

FWIW, I'd put Rose, Bonds, Clemens and McGwire in the HOF, as well as Joe Jackson (probably). There would be a sentence on their plaque explaining what they did, and how it affected the game, but keeping them out harms the HOF more than it harms the individuals.

 
at 3:39 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

"PED users make a mockery of the game" . . . said the world champion amphetimine champion of the 1970s.

Why do we still listen to what that idiot has to say? Is he peddling another book?

FWIW, I'd put Rose, Bonds, Clemens and McGwire in the HOF, as well as Joe Jackson (probably). There would be a sentence on their plaque explaining what they did, and how it affected the game, but keeping them out harms the HOF more than it harms the individuals.

 
at 3:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey John--Is it a fact that Rose would have to get in via the Veterans Committee? He has NEVER been eligible for the HOF, even though he stopped playing years ago. Isn't being moved to the Veterans Committee based on a certain number of years you have been eligible to be in the HOF? I know it sounds weird, but look at Ichiro getting ROY, that is just as bizarre.

 
at 4:07 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Exactly, Chris. It's baseball, not life and death.

 
at 4:43 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

John, Look for the Bedard deal to be announced by week's end. Just FYI.

 
at 5:22 PM Blogger redsfaninrochester said...

Even though the Mariners are about to sign Silva, it also said they are interested in another starter, as thier goal was to gain to starters for 2008. They have a great outfield prospect also, and it is said they would include that player possibly. I would not want to give up Bruce, and that is who the Orioles want. I would wait it out, and see what shakes out over the next few months. Maybe we could get Blanton(Oak.) for a cheaper package. I know we need a lefthander, but lets get a proven starter. I also believe he is under contract until 2010.

 
at 5:35 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keeping Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame only harms the fans more than anybody else. But then again, since when does MLB ever care about the fans? Every decision they have ever made as an entity in the last 20 years has only flown in the face of all the fans, from Pete Rose, to the economic disparity to the steroids.

 
at 6:44 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pete gets in the HOF, 1 day after they bury him! His on the field numbers don't lie, he was the best hitter ever,PERIOD! But the old timers who don't like his attitude will never let him enjoy his time in the sun.

 
at 10:18 AM Blogger Joseph said...

Hey, Pete had his chance to become eligible for induction into the Hall. Mike Schmidt lobbied to get him some face time with Selig, and the press made it sound like that meeting went pretty well. Unfortunately, Pete then proceeded to make his public confession available for 25 bucks a pop -- My Prison Without Shame, I believe it was called -- signed some baseballs with an apology written on them, and then appeared on a few talk shows to offer the most insincere-sounding verbal apologies ever. He had his chance. He, himself, misplayed it. It's over. The plane has crashed into the side of the mountain.

And if I were Mike Schmidt, I'd never talk to the guy again.

 
at 11:12 AM Anonymous Ted said...

I will continue to wish for a Christmas Miracle. What Christmas Miracle? Well, the one where Pete Rose goes away for good. I will not deny his ability to play the game, but I would give anything for him to leave the public eye. He is a disgrace for a human being and every time he talks, he proves what an uneducated moron he is.
He seriously said the players who were using steroids and/or HGH are making a mockery out of the game? You bet on baseball. You bet on your own team! You made a mockery of the game by lying to everyone for 17 years and then writing a book and admitting your guilt. You sir, are an idiot and I wish you would go away.

 
at 11:40 AM Blogger oldtimer said...

Yeah Pete's a shameless self promoter, but he's also been a shameless promoter of baseball and the Reds for years. He has an almost encyclopedic level of facts and figures crammed in his brain about all facets of the game, and listening to him talk baseball never fails to get me more interested in the game.

Unfortunately the rest of his mind revolves around d)ldo-brained thinking. Playing out the denial act for so long was stupidity of epic proportiona, but it was the same intense one=minded thinking that got him all over the place in the record books.

I choose to remember Pete as a fun, intense, smiling player who was battling for a hit every single time up. I'd wait for his at bat, rather than walk away and do something else. That;s the mark of a great player, someone the fans stop and watch every time. Griffey commands that same respect currently, even with his slippage of late.

Nah, too many good memories of Pete keep me from dissing him or his incredible career. Just wish he would take some diplomacy classes. Learn about timing. But that's Pete Rose.Stubborn to the end.

Too bad, the game could use his enthusiasm.

 
at 11:46 AM Anonymous J-Diggety said...

my thoughts exactly Ted

 
at 12:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pete does belong in the hall of fame for what he did on the field. But Pete also has help keep himself out of the Hall by his actions.

Oldtimer, you are right! Baseball needs Pete Rose spunk,but I'm not sure he'd wouldn't say something stupid and start another controversy around himself.
Woody

 
at 1:44 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John:

My question is simply this: I baseball is anti-gambling like Mr. Selig claims, why is it I see a banner for Argosy Casino in left field at Great American Ballpark?

Richard Martin

 
at 5:02 PM Blogger LDP said...

Seasons change, but one thing remains constant: Pete Rose is an idiot.

 
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