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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Roster turnover and over

I was cleaning out my computer bag the other day when I came across a roster from just before spring training opened in 2005 -- the spring before Wayne Krivsky took over. Only nine players from the 54 invited to camp that year remain with the club.

They are Matt Belisle, Todd Coffey, Aaron Harang, David Weathers, Edwin Encarnacion, Ryan Freel, Javier Valentin, Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey Jr. Kent Mercker was on the club as well, but he falls under the left-and-came-back category.

I'm not sure how that compares to other clubs. But this is clearly a roster Krivsky constructed.

And, if you've been watching any of the Congressional hearing, one thing is pretty clear: Either Brian McNamee or Roger Clemens is lying, and we may never know which one is.


at 2:27 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pssssssst! It's Clemens.

at 2:38 PM Anonymous the eagle's roost said...

we may not know who is lying, but we sure do know who has all the incentive in the world to lie and who doesn't.

at 2:45 PM Blogger unblogger said...

Concerning the Clemens affair, I think it is clear who is lying. The one who seems to contradict not just everyone else, but himself as well.

at 3:03 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

So when they suck again this year who are all the Krivsky apologists gonna blame it on? Still Bowden's fault? Marge? OB? Come on guys, who's it gonna be?

at 3:28 PM Blogger maus said...

Roger looks guilty as heck -- very dark day for baseball. The owners , commissioner and union are as guilty as the players. I've got a real problem with any records set over the last 10-15 years.

My prediction -- baseball attendance will not suffer greatly because of today -- fans are sick of hearing about it. The owners and union do need to come up with a VERY stringent INDEPENDENT testing program ASAP. This program needs to be proof to the fans that the game is going to be clean from here on out.

Bud Selig needs to be fired. You can't tell me that he didn't know about it. He did nothing about it until he was pushed.

I think the owners need to be fined a great amount (fines to go to drug prevention programs and maybe ticket price reduction). They knew too.

Fehr (spelling?) needs to be fired too.

I don't have an answer for how but the record books need to be adjusted as well.


at 3:40 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

Let's blame it on Jack in Blue Ash!!!

Ha, just kiddin Jack. I know you'll laugh about it.

at 3:45 PM Anonymous redsfawoody said...

It's hard to believe Clemens especially after he said Pettitte must have "misremembered" their conversation. Did he really say that trainer was injecting his wife with HGH? Wondering maybe if Clemens should of taken Bond's route and played the stupid card.

As far as us Krivsky apologist(like we all apologize for him?) what if the Reds are better this year? Are you going to apologize for ripping him at every turn? Or are you going to find another axe to grind with him?

If the Reds are worse this year I'll blame it partly on Krivsky,partly on Baker, and partly on the players. If they produce a better record I'll will partly praise Krivsky,partly Baker, and partly the players. It takes more than one person to make the club successful or wretched.

But I will say they will play a better brand of baseball and people will start to take an interest in the young guys.

at 3:56 PM Blogger Jon said...

"So when they suck again this year who are all the Krivsky apologists gonna blame it on? Still Bowden's fault? Marge? OB? Come on guys, who's it gonna be?"

hahhah! When the Reds suck! hahah!

Apparently its Wayne's fault you're pessimist, too.

at 4:08 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, am I right that Javier Valentin, Richie Gardner, Norris Hopper and Joey Votto also have been with the Reds since before Krivsky? - Petey in LA

at 4:34 PM Anonymous Z in Oxford said...

John after hours of Clemens coverage, I was just curious to know when the Mike Stanton congressional hearings will be airing on national television??

at 4:55 PM Blogger John Fay said...

You're correct on Valentin. I missed him. The others were with Reds but not on the 40-man or invited to spring training.

I'll correct the original post.

at 5:10 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys: Have you checked our starting rotation? Of course we will suck, we have a GM who has already been replaced!! For good reason,the Nats.won more games,as we try to sign rejects! We are a disgrace thanks to Cluless !!! WAKE UP CINCY FIRE KRIVSKY............REDS FAN IN FT.THOMAS

at 6:01 PM Anonymous PresidentJohnAllenJr. said...

I love it when Waxman said, one of you guys is not telling the truth. PSSST, Both are to some degree. The Nanny thing almost made Clemens mad enough to blow up. Nice composer for Clemens. Now, Pettite has to be asked by the FBI if Clemens used HGH. I don't what to say but it will hurt baseball for a short period of time.
Benson signed a minor league contract today with the Phillies.
John, any news on Lofton?

at 6:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Reds Fan In Ft Thomas,
Why are you so hung up on the "Nats record beating ours? We get it. You hate Krivsky, any chance you might post something other than the hate you have for him? Don't you have any other opinions on anything about the Reds or is this going to be a "wake up fire krivsky" repeat through the whole season? I would like to know so if it is I can just skip over your post knowing its the same thing again and again.
Walt J.

at 8:24 PM Blogger Ben said...

my name is ben and i like wayne krivsky. he's made a lot of really clever moves (come ON, brandon phillips) that will spell out a winning team this season and a possible championship team in the years to come. however, it's interesting to look at the promising youth still in the minors who were signed by his predecessors. for the record, i'm not pleased by the dusty signing (put your money into your players, for goodness sake) or the coco signing (that's a lot of money for a closer--you could have traded for street!) but i'm still in wayne's corner.

at 8:27 PM Anonymous Joe in Blue Ash said...

Judge Krivsky on what this team is doing three years from now. He may not get the luxury to still be around unless Big Bob is resonable. Look, good teams are developed over time, especially small market teams that cant afford to get better overnight through outbidding the Sox, Mets, Yankees and Angels for established stars in their prime. The Reds probably will suck this year and maybe even next as the kids especially young pitchers gain experience and figure out how to succeed in the bigs. As the kids get better, the veterans like Dunn and Griffey need to be more team oriented and do whatever it takes to get runs in instead of swinging for the fences, padding stats while leaving a lot of runs on base. Krivsky has no control over what veterans do in the batters box and cant magically make rookies into Cy Young candidates over night. I do think the guy is building something and doing it the right way given the Reds budget constraints.
Marge and Bowden never built anything. Krivsky shouldnt pay for their idiocy.

at 7:47 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Krivsky doesn't deserve any credit for the young pitching - he didn't draft them and he seems busy trying to trade them away for mediocre veterans so we can finish .500 this year and he can save his hind end.

If anyone paid for the transgressions of Marge and Leatherpants it was OB. He's the one responsible for the young talent everyone's drooling over, not Krivsky. When they finally come to their senses and can him, he'll never gets another job as a GM again.

at 8:49 AM Anonymous Jack in Blue Ash said...

thanks red faced

i am just waiting for more interesting topics

plus you all need a break from my negatism

at 9:15 AM Blogger David Hartman said...

Ummm....when Dunn and Griffey swing for the fences they ARE being team oriented.

I know it chaps you to consider it, but some guys actually DO get paid to HIT HOME RUNS, not singles, because, (make sure you're sitting down here, this will send you into shock) hitting home runs helps the team.

Not everyone has the same role. The Reds would be no better with 8 Norris Hoppers or Ryan Freels than they would be with 8 Adam Dunns or Juniors.

Dunner made some strides last year, and there's no reason to believe he won't make more this season. The bashing is getting kinda old, and it's baseless. Dunn and Junior put fannies in the seats, and that enables the Reds to not only pay Dunn and Junior, but also guys like Harang, Phillips, Votto, Bruce, etc.

at 11:31 AM Blogger reaganspad said...

So in 06, Kriv uncovered Brandon Phillips, Arroyo and Ross.

In 07, he uncovers Hamilton, Burton and Kepp.

Who are the 08 Krivsky's?

It gets harder now with an improved roster over 2006 but here is the battle for the 08 Krivsky:

Alex Gonzales*

Edinson Volquez

Jeremy Affeldt

Francisco Cordero

Sergio Valenzuela

Gonzales * is for the family distraction last year. What is interesting, with all his family issues last year, he had the best offensive percentages of his career.
I see 08 for him as a huge year: 500 ab's with 85 RBI's and stellar glove work... and the winner of the 08 Krivsky

at 11:54 AM Blogger Pat said...

How did Marge do in 1990?

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