Dusty on Homer
Dusty Baker wants everyone to relax a bit on Homer Bailey. In the short time, Baker's been around Bailey he's seen progress. He's willing to let yesterday's 2 1/3-innings, two-run, 59-pitch effort slide.
“I can go on the progress I’ve seen since I’ve been here. Yesterday was the first time that he wasn’t pitch-efficient since I’ve been here."
Baker elaborated a bit on the whole Bailey situation.
“It’s not easy being Homer. I’ve seen it a thousand times. It’s not easy being that Mr. Everything, Can’t-Miss Kid. . . I learned years ago that the most dangerous word for a kid is potential. If they don’t do great, then no matter what they do, they don’t reach that potential.
“Sometimes it takes longer to get than others. What is Homer 21 years old? This dude is barely drinking age. There are kids in college who haven’t signed a contract who are still pitching. Homer has this experience already. That’s the thing. Let’s not forget, his dude is three years ahead of whoever’s going to be in this year’s draft.
“He may not be where you want him to be, or where we want him to be, or where he wants to be, but he’s still ahead of the program. Two or three years from now, we might have another thought process.”
86 Comments:
we never really liked the signing of Dusty Baker but the more I hear about how he handles players and his insights..I am impressed
I agree with his comments on Homer, but this "lack of command" is a serious issue and not one indicative of age
Interestingly, one of the scouts we met at GABP said that Homer would end up as a one inning closer with his temperament and fastball
Julie RN
I don't think saying that he isn't ready for big-league hitters yet isn't hating on the kid.
As I said in another post, the best thing the Reds could do for Bailey is send him back to Louisville to work on (1) his change-up and (2) the overall command of his pitches.
If he does that successfully he could be back up by June and never look back.
just wondering, you keep talking about all these scouts you watch games with, what are their names and what organizations do they work for?
I don't think scouts sit up where Ja-ulie (yes one person who post as two new name) sit.
Agreed smtides. Not a whole bunch of 21 year olds come up with pin point control, so yes his age has something to do with it.
Another problem he might be having is after mowing down minor leagues for the first few years,he could be a little bit shell shocked from major league hitters.
You have to give him time before you cast him aside into the bullpen.
Julie,
You should stick to the nursing. "Lack of command" is very indicative of age. It's the biggest problem most every hard throwing young pitcher faces.
Woody:
The other thing I've noticed about Bailey in the two times I've seen his this spring is that there is no rhythm to the game when he is on the mound.
He does a lot of walking around, seems to be talking to himself, unsure of what to do next. Now I'm just a fan in the stands but that's sure how it looks to me.
I just think he needs a little more time or seasoning or whatever you want to call it.
If the Reds had no other fall-back option, then yeah, I think you push Bailey. But with plenty of early off days and some live arms on the staff I think you give him a little more time.
It's reassuring to know that Baker seems to have faith in Homer. I believe it to be very unwise to deal him b/c he's having some issues with command. Especially for a certain someone in Oakland. Just don't tell Daughtery. He seems to think stats are the work of the devil.
Right-o, Bailey has some serious body language when he's struggling. But Cueto and Voltron take the ball, get the sign, rock, and fire.
And the catcher ought to go out and smack Bailey in the head like in those V8 commercials each time he shakes off a call. How many times do you have to get burned before you finally do what the veteran catchers ask?
I heard Jeff Brantly talking about Homer last week on WLW, and he commented that his curve ball does not break sharply enough and may get belted if he does not work on it. Jeff also admitted that he had the same problem when he came up...
Anderson Fan
who can say his age has nothing to do with "lack of command"? are you kidding me! You think that is not a fine crafted skill that takes time to develop and locate? That is a giant bucket of WTF!
Julie stick to bedpans and sponge baths.
I think this is Dusty-speak for "Homer's gonna be starting the year in L'ville."
HomerBailey had the very same problems last year and everyone blamed it on his injury.He has a great fastball but his lack of control kept him from starting the seasons with the Recs last year and it appears to be the same tjis year
Maybe the kid just dont have it. smitide s how do you know he could successfully be back up in June are you a optching coach all of a sudden Baileys issues are not lacking pin point control redsfan, he has no control
-Kevin in Ft. Mitchell
Kevin, the kid is 21-22, he's not exactly ready for AARP membership just yet. Now that it's perfectly clear what he has to work on to pitch in the majors, allow him to do that work . . . down river.
Homer did show poise by Getting out of that bases loaded Jam,against a very good team in the 1st.
The bat's were cold, so may a little cushion for homer would have made a difference.He only gave up 2 runs, maybe was on the way to 3 or 4 run's.In a MLB game there are 9 inning's, he could start shaky,then loosen up later in the innings.(Ex. Arroyo)
It's not Like it was Milton out there.
He has more upside than downside,I say start him in the bullpen.It's not like the bullpen is anything to rave about.Maybe as a long reliever.He need's more MLB experience,not Minor league.
Majik & Stanton, did alright.Stanton got lucky,but it looked alright.Majik really stepped up, Janish made a great play on the DP.Could of went either way if there wasn't a solid SS to make that play.
Still The catcher issue is a issue.Javy can hit, Ross can field, & Bako look's Horrible,He couldn't even come close to 2nd on the throw from HP.(This years Chad Moeller) This is the one area that really need's to be addressed! I hear nothing from the team,the reporters, & the fans about how BAD the catcher situation really is.3 catcher's on a 25-man roster is a joke.Get a bonafided catcher that can do both,open up roster space for needed players,& save money.(In the long run)
I won't pretend to know everything about pitching but to me Bailey's problems with command appear to be more mechanical in nature. His pitches are not really all over the place, they mostly appear to be up in the strike zone. He had the same propensity last season. And yes, when Bailey was throwing while hurt last season there was a BIG difference as his velocity dropped considerably. For some reason he can't seem to keep his pitches low. The fast ball is staying high in the zone and guys are teeing off on it. His curve ball, when it breaks is falling into the middle of the plate. If a batter isn't fooled by the pitch then he's going to drive it a mile. When his curve doesn't break it's sitting high in the zone and guys are teeing off on it because it's not fooling them at all. It's just a flat slower pitch they can drive.
Last night one of the best curve balls Bailey threw was actually hit by Matsui. I think it was Matsui's second AB it starting in the middle of the zone and dropped just below the knees. It was a wicked pitch but Matsui was able to drop the head of his bat and slap it over the infield for a single. It was just a nice piece of hitting by Matsui. Most hitters would not have hit it, or would have topped the ball and likely grounded out.
Back to the mechanics problem. I don't know what it is but my guess is there is something that Bailey can do mechanically to help him keep his pitches lower in the zone. I don't know what it is. I did hear Brantley say someting about his stride, perhaps that is some of it, perhaps it's just his release point or maybe he's just trying to overthrow the ball. Whatever it is a good pitching coach should be able to figure something out with him in the amount of time remaining in spring training and get him in decent form by the start of the season. I hope that is the case. If not then I'm going to blame the pitching coach before I put any blame on Bailey.
And no, I have no major league credentials so feel free to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. It won't bother me.
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Stick to the baseball debate.
Harang
Arroyo
Fogg/Belisle/Affeldt
Cueto
Voltron
Could be Nasty!!!
Redlegg in Chicago..you were telling us last night that Homer was going to blow everyone away.Now you are saying put him in the bullpen.. You sound like Hillary Clinton lowering the bar because shes getting defeated
Homer Bailey has not changed since pitching in the minors..the difference being that the quality of hitters he is facing is far superior
redfaced we have watched him on TV and have seen the majority of starts at the ballpark..sorry his pitches are all over the place. If it makes you feel better typing a long discourse on Homer so be it.. fact of the matter hes not that good right now..what is is
You are trying to microanalyze every pitch and nuance..the reality of the situation is that right now in his career he is a 4 5 or 6 inning pitcher. Does this change? does he get better? None of us know
Do you actually know that Homer was hurt last year, did you speak to his doctor? Just maybe it was a cover to get him back to the minors after his abysmal performances early last year
Regardless hes not hurt now and he having the same issues he had last year
sorry John I just dont want to be lectured by that fraud Mr Redleggs
-Kevin in ft Mitchell
kevin why dont u tell him to his face rather than posting on this board
sorry could not get the entire post in
John Fay
When does your new system take affect and how do we register. I am the real Jack in Blue Ash and people have hijacked my account. You have my email addy and can contact me
Well, whaddya know, Jack caught once AGAIN posting under multiple IDs. Now he's "Kevin in Fort Mitchell," too. Talk about frauds . . . pot . . . kettle . . . black.
wow, Kevin is Jack is Julie. Whatever.
Red Faced, Grand and Welsh were talking about his long stride, that it makes his curve ball harder to command. Also mentioned pitching uphill because of his long step, instead of getting on top.
Majewski and Bailey had different approaches with 1-2 counts. Bailey gives up a walk, while Majewski kept the pressure on the hitter and got the weak liner double play.
Experience was the difference in those two. Nice job Gary with the bases loaded
If tomorrow were opening day the rotation should be:
Harang
Cueto
Arroyo
Volquez
When do the Reds even need a fifth starter for the first time? I know there are usually several off days early in the season. I am too lazy to look it up. Belisle, Fogg and Afeldt compete for the fifth spot.
Bailey starts the season in Louisville and hopefully is ready(providing that the Reds haven't ruined him) when the fifth spot is needed on a regular basis or Arroyo pitches like he has for the past season and a half.
Stanton looked like he lost a couple of tons. Maybe he got a bigger jersey this year.
redlegs I have not even been in town the past two weeks..take that matter up with John Fay and whomever is using that account.
Are you still taking comp time from your company even though you told everyone that you work independently?
Too funny..you are just some lonely old dude fantasizing in blogland
you did the same thing on our sports blog in msn and Joe kicked you outta the bengals blog
Nice try, Mr. Credibility.
Whether or not Homer Bailey is now or ever will be ready to pitch full-time in the majors is a subject worthy of debate. However, the constant ad hominem attacks on those commenting on the subject are a waste of time and cyberspace.
Are you still taking comp time from your company even though you told everyone that you work independently?
Too funny..you are just some lonely old dude fantasizing in blogland
LOLOLOL give myself some comp time LOLOLOLOL
And yet another identical post from Mr. Credibility under a different ID. Amazing how one person can cancer an entire sports blog . . . and for what?
Thank you 11:06 anon!
The flaws in logic in this blog are just astounding. Attack the argument; not the man (or woman). Any and all credibility is shot to hell when you start attacking the opponents persona.
I still root for Homer Bailey to do good things for the red's,(Unlike others)One outing(Against a very good hitting team) ain't going to change my mind.
Jack,Julie,Bigfoot,jackolope-, whoever you are & aren't, I was putting my money down on Homer last night to do some good thing's.It's not like he was completely horrible.The basesloaded jam in the 1st showed poise.Yes,I take back my comments of him starting.Voltron beat him outright.But This can be a learning experience for him & there is still alot of ST left.
Results speak volume,In sports or Politics!!!
Still think some seasoning in the Bullpen couldn't hurt,he's a AAAA player at this point.Time will tell,like it always does.
And it's Reddlegg in COLORADO,not Chicago.
It was only a matter of time before someone use both of their identities in one post. LOL
tee hee....shame, shame, shame, now we know your name(s)...
the funny part is i recall the "different" names debating one another and then ultimately complimenting each other's points.
now that's high comedy!...and a little sad...
-the real captain d-bag
Anyone else think that Homer has the potential to be a great closer if he isn't a stellar starter? But I'm really not already saying he won't be a good starter. Just wondering.
bailey will probably end up closing
-the real captain d-bag
so does this mean there is no nurse julie?
As always, we ALL appreciate your feedback Jack, Julie, Kevin, whoever you REALLY are. Sorry if our use of reason conflicts and confuses you.
I still see Bailey as a starter rather than a closer. Volquez on the other hand would excel at a closing role, he's overpowering at times.
As I said before, there is enough time left in Spring Training for Bailey to make some progress on his command. If he does not and someone else steps up to earn the rotation spot that's fine with me. I too would rather see him work out of the pen in order to allow him to work with the big league staff on his shortcomings as a starter. Plus he'd be available to make a spot start when needed.
I won't be surprised to see Bailey make progress though and earn that rotation spot. He's young and we'll likely see him be very inconsistent this year. He'll have some great starts and then bad ones. Much like he was last year, hopefully with more good than bad. His lack of command is the biggest issue.
redfuture I have not been in town for a couple of weeks nor do I yet have a blogger account. It appears that Mr Redleggs created an account using my name .
I wish I could write as well as him though LOL
No big deal
and it was always Jack Blue Ash
yeah there is a nurse Julie but she could care less about the Reds...shes a Bengals fan
i think if he gets his "control" under "control", starting is the obvious spot for him.
as of right now, if he was the closer, can you imagine a combo of scott williamson and danny graves?
ahhhh, debilitating ulcers and cardiac arrest - if homer grew that mullet out a little, he might be able to fill that role in the 9th.
...i think i'll enjoy cordero thouroughly this year - i hope...
anon 12:11
wow! i guess i need to stay on top of things. you don't read the blog for 10 minutes and someone is already signing posts as me! interesting...and again, kinda sad...
If I'm WK, I definitely push to have Voltron in the starting rotation for the following reasons....
1. To keep the fans supporting the team, at least 1 'young gun' has to make the rotation.
2. He has the most major league service time of the youngsters
3. He has pretty much staked his future as GM on the Hamilton-Voltron trade. Voltron has to do decent as a starter this year to make the trade work -- He can't be in the bullpen, he can't be in Louisville.
4. To Voltrons credit, he has pitched well enough so far to make the push reasonable.
I would say unless he collapses, pencil him in the lineup -- probably at #4
What a tool. When they check the IP addresses on this thread, or any other on Cincy.com, they'll know I post as one and one only.
More so, they'll know the cancerous varmint who's infected this sickly space, who posts one-minute apart with easily identifiable writing traits, who holds imaginary self-congratulatory conversations with himself, who doesn't possess the wherewithal or wit to stop, go away, come back much later as someone new on a sunnier day. . . .
But somehow, for some reason, keeps on rat-trapping himself in a maze of sports blogging schizophrenia here time and again.
It all makes your head itch and the desire to scratch overwhelmingly insatiable.
Homer aint gonna make it in the majors as a starter until he gets better command.If he doesnt, he will be relegated to the bullpen
the real Jack
jack doesn't debate anonymous posters or long distance fans.
MrRedlegs why do u try so hard to try and make blogger font beleive u are a sportswriter.. no sportswriter would be on blogs for 14 hours everday 7 days a week
then u tell us u are an independent writer anfd work for yourself, then u tell us you are on comp time that your company gave you thats why you are here all the time
Liar we dont care
Mr. Redlegs? say it isn't so...
Are you really the schizo with all the personalities?
i must say, you are quite clever if that's the case. posting completely opposite points only to argue with yourself.
to top it off, your lexicon appears to expand exponentially when you post as "Mr Redlegs". i tip my cap to you sir for your apparent "acting" skills.
but tsk, tsk, tsk, for shame, for posting under all those erroneos names.
...unless it wasn't you...
if that's the case, then carry on opining, but only under "Mr Redlegs", your I.Q. appears to be highest under that I.D.
-the d-baggiest d-bag dujor
You know, I'm starting to think it was better when posts had to be approved first.
i think dirt bags and Redleggs is the same person another one of his identies he loves the word opine ..look at sentence structure and wordinf identical..hes sick in the head
nahhh, this is more fun. as long as you don't let crazies get under your skin it's not bad. if anything it's entertaining!
full disclosure: i consider myself as one of the crazies, so don't let me get under your skin. I'm just not crazy enough to post under multiple names and argue with myself.
- da captain
Kevin in Ft Mitchell, Anon 10:10 or whatever you want to be called:
"smitide s how do you know he could successfully be back up in June are you a optching coach"
No, I'm not a pitching coach (although I was a hitting coach for a very good Tampa Bay HS baseball team for several years).
That's why I said the following:
"If he does that successfully he could be back up by June and never look back."
not quite the same person my misguided friend. we may share opinions on some (not all) things, but my head is much smaller and doesn't have stiches.
and the "d" doesn't stand for "dirt", but kudos to you for using your expansive immagination!
- the d-bag
Yes, I have multiple skills, including this wonderful concept called "TABBED BROWSING" where you can actually multitask on one screen while having dozens more open but minimized.
Then, there's this other great invention called "RSS" where you see a little button that tells you a new post has been added to one of your favorite subscription haunts. Get the notice, hit a tab and . . . whoa, bingo-bango!
But those just don't compare with the greatest discovery since manned flight--the "WIRELESS" Internet. Yep, that's right. You, too, can take your wireless compooder all around, hotels, airports, bars, even to the crapper, and never miss a thing! Connectivity, 24/7! Yay!
Best of all, there's this great new concept called "TELECOMMUTING." It took the mean, hateful, provincial bosses a long time to accept this concept because, well, who would they micro-manage if they couldn't see you at your desk?
But with all these great new inventions in concert, you can work from home, from your car, from outer space . . . hit a button or two and voila!, your work is done just as if you were actually sitting at staid ol' desk.
That is, unless you're the trash man, who just picked up my recyclables.
smtides you were a hitting coach on some girls highschool team and that gives you credibility to determine baileys career? you are as nuts a redlegs
Mr Redlegsy you told us the same on other sports blogs and we found out you were lying
but again..you told us that you werte freelance then when u got busted you told us u worked for a compnay and had time off
you told us last week you had six more weeks off but now you are travelling again LOLOLO
you tell so many lies u cant keep track of them
no real sporstwriter woudl be posting on newspaper sports blogs 14 hoyurs everyday
Can we leave Dusty be? A 3 time manager of the year doesn't deserve the kind of hatred that gets spewed on this blog. I don't see how folks are so surprised Dusty is making obvious strides with this team regarding fundamentals, work ethic, baseball mentality and clubhouse cohesiveness. He is n times better than any manager we've had in a good while. Put it this way. If Dusty wins here, including a ring, he's going to the Hall of Fame. Period.
I have entitlement. There's 108 red stitches in my head.
who the hell is this sissy Redleggs
I AGREE I DONT SEE HOW ANY PROFESSIONAL COULD FIND THE TIME TO BLOG AS MUCH AS REDLEGS. I MEAN COME ON HE IS ON THIS BLOG AT LEAST 12-15 HOURS EVERYDAY
I DO REMEMBER YOU TELLING US YOU WERE A FREELANCER MR REDLEGS THEN YOU TOLD US U WORKDE FOR A MAJOR NEWSPAPER AND HAD COMP TIME OFF U DID LIE AND U GOT CAUGHT
Dirt
"sissy" now that's a funny word!
- captain
anyone here watch the show "The Office"?
anytime i see someone who uses the "ALL CAPS" style reminds of the episode where dwight is giving the speech in front of the auditorium and he's yelling the whole time and banging/waving his hands on the podium.
it makes me smile
- the d-bag
I'm as tired and as old (well older) than tired, old Ed Smith Stadium, so I given up on trying to referee the many fights on this blog.
Let me give you this advice: Don't worry about who the other posters are, where they live, or who they claim to be. Attack the post not the poster.
Dear Schitzo Blog Mouse, give it up. People just want to talk Reds baseball here and you—and you alone—make it proprietarily impossible.
There's not a soul who comes here who wants to read your vitriol and pandering lunacy, and someone would have to be clinically (and federally) incompetent to believe your string of anonymous and misdirected postings as anything but one and the same.
Seriously, it's killing this blog, which is a valuable source of information, especially with the Post deceased. Additionally, your absurd behavior is a monumental headache for John Fay to moderate while at work.
No one cares about anything you post but Reds baseball. What's so hard for you to understand about that?
excellent point by the cub reporter!
or is it grizzly bear reporter (b/c grizzly sounds like grizzled which refers to his "old tired" statement)!
regardless, a big 'ol timey HIZZAH (notice the all caps)for John Fay!
... dwight schroot, he's so craaaazy!
- captain d-bag
Personally I dont care..you can shut this blog down. I can go to the games at GABP and follow this team closely. It appears that the abusers on this blog are the unfortunate ones that cant see the team in person. Maybe thats why they are angry
I know I will be at many games this year enjoying myself
I second Redlegs. I don't post nearly as much as I used to because of all the anonymous nonsensical rantings and the posts from upwards of 10 identities that seem to be coming from a maximum of two people. It's annoying and detracts from real baseball talk by fans who know baseball or want to know baseball. There's disagreeing, and there's hating. Too much hate on the blog lately.
redleggs many on this blog cant stand your crap dude go pretend somewhere else
redleggs many on this blog cant stand your crap dude go pretend somewhere else
"...enjoying himself..."
tee hee...sinner
- captain
Mr redlegs I think all of us reds fans get tired of some pompous imposter coming on this blog everyday and lecturing others. And the fact that you have lied about your profession to provide foundation for your arguments make you even morte pathetic. Is this what you do all day..go from city to city on the net blogging and pretending
+1 24/7 +1
- the captain
24/7 I agree.. no anonymous posts should be allowed
i think the whole "having to log in your user ID" thing should remedy a lot of the multiple personality folks.
to those out there that enjoy reading this blog, try your hardest to ignore trolls. we can all have a good time throwing around opinions on the reds (and at times other things :) ) while not feeding the trolls what they are really after - attention.
ignore, and they will be no more
i kind of like that...
- the d-bag
John, I do appreciate the blog and the effort you put into it. Your input is much appreciated and I check it off and on throughout the day for little tidbits on the upcoming season. As well as checking it throughout the season. I often read solid insight from fellow Reds fans but alas we do put up with some juvenile bickering at times. I hope this blog never gets to the point that you decide it's not worth the effort.
locked and loaded as the captain...
Anon 12:56:
smtides you were a hitting coach on some girls highschool team and that gives you credibility to determine baileys career? you are as nuts a redlegs
Doesn't give me any more or any less credibility than anyone else around here. But this is an opinion board, right?
Personally, I'd rather read 1000 messages from Mr. Redlegs than 1message from all of Jack's multiple personalites combined.
His act was kinda funny about 500 messages ago. Kinda.
Don't know why the last post came up anonymous, but it was from smtides. For the record.....
your honesty is appreciated smtides, if that's really your name :) ...
who cares about the posters that try and ruin this blog.. the sun is coming out, the team will head north soon and many will be able to go to the games and have a great season. They are starting the Banks Project in April..its gonna be a great time down at the Ballpark
And for those living far away..enjoy your MLB package..Ill wave to ya
thanks smtides i also appreciate your honesty
Put Bailey in the pen. He's proven he's past AAA and that he's not quite a starter yet. I'm worried that management wants one of Fogg/Affeldt in the rotation for the logic of, "we signed a starter, and we signed a lefty we think can start in a rotation with no lefties". I hope the Reds go with Volquez and Cueto at the back end of the rotation. If their skills don't play in the bigs after 6 or so starts, let one of the guys in the wings (Bailey, Affeldt, Fogg) who's pitching the best get a shot. This is all optimism, but I think Cueto could fill our void at #2 by putting up those kinds of numbers. Not 200 innings, but filthy stuff, a 3.9 ERA and a WHIP between 1.2 and 1.3.
Not sure why everyone is down on Bailey. He's only 21 years old. He dominated in the minors.
My brother saw him in Louisville last year and thought he didn't look ready for the Majors even though he was dominating.
That's how it is sometimes. You can dominated Triple A but the Majors is a different ballgame.
He may need a little more time in the minors, but I don't quite understand some of the negativity against him.
I think Bailey is going to be pretty good eventually. He seems like that bulldog type of pitcher the Reds have lacked. Just give him some time.
I agree JerBear. The Red's need some of that Texas mentality on the bump. I just wish cowboy boots and spurs were recognized as uniform apparel.
Is that the way a so called "professional baseball manager"is to supposed to talk about his players-calling them DUDES(Homer Bailey). If I were Homers parents it would upset me.Is this respectful on Mr. Bakers part?Id suggest Mr.Baker be counselled by Mr Castellini.Do the Reds want this type of represntation of thier organization out in the public view.My Gosh!
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