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Thursday, March 20, 2008

Reds cut 6, including Bruce

From the Reds:

Today the Reds optioned to Class AAA Louisville OF Drew T. Anderson and RHP Marcus McBeth and reassigned to minor league camp RHP Josh Roenicke, RHP Tom Shearn and OF Jay Bruce…the Reds have 44 players remaining in camp, including LHP Bobby Livingston (left shoulder injury) and SS Alex Gonzalez (left knee).

Today's lineup:
Ryan Freel RF
Corey Patterson CF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn DH
Edwin Encaracion 3B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Jeff Keppinger SS
Norris Hopper LF
Paul Bako C

Home Bailey P


at 2:53 PM Blogger Hey Barry Larkin! said...

Finally! I expected to see a few more cuts, but it's starting to get manageable now. Let the whining commence. I fully expected Bruce to be sent down, especially after seeing his poor showing in spring, but I'm sure there will be lots of people unhappy with the move. I say it's a good move. He could use more development, and he's always there to bring up later this year. You ready for this John? Here it comes...

at 3:04 PM Blogger Big E said...

Bruce needs more time to develop. Let's see how it plays out.

I am far more concerned with the pitching rotation and bullpen

at 3:05 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

John this has more to do with your previous post but I thought it was fairly important--To get to that 25 man roster, Capellan has to be sent back to Boston and two guys need to be taken off the 40 to add CP, JC, PB, & AP. Who do you see them taking off? The only guys I saw as even plausible were Gardner, Pelland, & Ramirez.

at 3:10 PM Blogger ScottyJ said...

I think starting Bruce at Louisville is a good move as well.
Wouldn't shock me if Votto started there too.

Good cuts by Wayne, Dusty & Co.

at 3:11 PM Blogger hey hey redlegs said...

i thought i would be mad about bruce heading to the minors but it is probably good for him. give him a little extra fire and focus to get on the big league club. and i'm sure he will be up with the club sometime this year. its only a matter of time.

at 3:21 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Patterson looks good enough to start in CF(Based off his ST numbers) & lets not forget GABP makes players careers shine.Freel & Hopper as the RH bat for the platoon does sound good enough.Speed & solid defense is something all three of these guys provide.

Freel is a super utility guy that can play almost play anywhere,so that will allow Hops to get his AB's & playing time in the OF.When Gonzo comes back,Kepp is another super utility guy that can also play 1st base & provides a RH bat there for the platoon.Lets not forget that Javy can play 1st base too.So if Votto gets cut,Javy V. is another(if at the worst situation) LH bat that can play 1st.

Depth & versatility are VERY good things.

Bruce is young & can still mature in AAA at a better expense for the budget.That way the franchise has more options for his contract down the road.

To those that say freel has no talent,I laugh.The guy has a career as MLB baseball player.He has to have some kind of talent to stay in the show as long as he has.He makes the web gem highlights reguarly & he's on the Video game MLB the show 08' with some face shots & highlight reels.That's because he plays the game the right way,with heart,guts, & Hustle.That will outshine a really talented player any day. Just ask Pete Rose.


at 3:27 PM Blogger Dude said...


What were Shearns numbers this spring?

at 3:33 PM Blogger Brick said...

Bruce is what, 20 years old? Plenty of time. Even if he stays the entire year at AAA it'll be fine.

at 3:37 PM Blogger Mike said...

What more did Roenicke have to do? He threw five scoreless innings.

And for all of those Tom Shearn lovers, his numbers:

5 2/3 innings, 10 hits, 7 earned runs 11.12 ERA.

Yeah, I guess you guys are right. He is better than Matt Belisle.

at 3:45 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

patterson is a backup on most clubs.. this guy is a careeer .255 hitter if I am correct

nobody has said freel has no talent, hes just not a starter nor is he worth 3.5 million a year..

He may hustle.. but a pete rose hes not..Freel makes the highlight reel by injuring himself all the time

I thought Bruce would be ready to play and gave this club a chance to be at .500. Hamiltons loss is a big one

The outfield is anemic. It does not appear that Bailey, Bruce, Fogg, Affeldt, etc are gonna be the division killers as everyone was gushing at the start of spring training

at 3:52 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

aside from some hitters with power, GABP does not enhance anyones career

at 4:05 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

Interesting lineup. The cuts are not unexpected, Bruce was not quite ready for the show. This as to be Bailey last shot and I am a little surpise he is starting tonight's game.

at 4:09 PM Blogger gmirones said...

Well here is where The Reds will be opening day. While this may not be the dream team some may have wanted it is based on what management will do. Have at it:

Ross - on IR (Bako short term)
Gonzales - on IR (If Votto does not hit, back to AAA when Gonzo comes back)
Capellan - Rule 5 will stay

Pitching still has question marks (Affeldt, Stanton, Belisle)

12 pitchers
13 position Players

25 Man Roster

Pitchers (12)
Jeremy Affeldt
Bronson Arroyo
Johnny Cueto
Matt Belisle
Jared Burton
Jose Capellan
Francisco Cordero
Josh Fogg
Aaron Harang
Mike Stanton
Edinson Volquez
David Weathers

Catchers (2)
Paul Bako
Javier Valentin

Infielders (6)
Juan Castro
Edwin Encarnacion
Scott Hatteberg
Jeff Keppinger
Brandon Phillips
Joey Votto

Outfielders (5)
Adam Dunn
Ryan Freel
Ken Griffey
Norris Hopper
Corey Patterson

at 4:16 PM Blogger Dan H said...

By my count,there are 39 players on the roster. If Cueto,Bako,Patterson,Phillips,make the team 3 guys need to be let go from the 40 man.I can see Capellan,Anderson,and probably Hannigan. Could additional moves/trades still be on the horizon.There is still 9 days before camp is over. John, haven't seen nor read but Burton has not pitched recently. Any word on a possible injury.

at 4:28 PM OpenID r2theoman said...

Has Capellan even thrown a pitch in a Red's uniform yet?

I'd say Bray before him.

at 4:31 PM Blogger GFYS said...

Tom Shearn stats didn't represent how he threw this spring. He had one really bad game against the World Series Red Sox on back to back days.

at 4:40 PM Blogger redsfan8557 said...

Some of your guys are so negative. I will still be positive no matter what happens. I know for a fact that they will be better then last year. Hamilton is no longer a Red so get over it guys. Let the front office do there job, and if they don't produce then dont go to the games and dont watch them on tv

at 4:49 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Patterson may be a back up on most clubs,but the Cincinnati Reds is not most clubs.It's the Cincinnati reds.Sometimes it takes a change of scenery to get success.

Ross had his career turned around in GABP as well as Gonzo(as far as power numbers).Billy Hall from the brewers comes to GABP & lights up the reds,then he goes back to Milwaukee & he's average.Just a couple of examples.Arroyo,2 dingers in GABP after switching form the A.L as a pitcher that doesn't even bat.GABP is a hitters park,that's my point.

I have read where folks had said they think Freel has no talent.If you are the nobody that didn't say that,that is fine.I did read that & posted my opinion on the matter.Thanks for your input.

I didn't say he was Pete Rose.I said " He plays with heart,guts, & Hustle" & Pete Rose played(Didn't say manage) the game right.That was my point

I haven't read where anyone said that Fogg & Affedlt were the solutions,just decent blue chip pick ups.It had's depth with experience with those 2.Bruce & Bailey are very young.They have plenty of time to work it out.I was PERSONNALY wrong about Bailey this ST,but you never know till you see for yourself..Nuke has time to work it out in AAA & Bruce is waiting in the wings. All Looks good on the Depth chart.

at 5:12 PM Blogger JAPE said...

Hey John F. How's it look for the game. I'm in N. Ft. Myers and it's raining!!!

at 6:00 PM OpenID eastsidemarker12 said...

I would agree with all of that roster projection except Belisle. He should be in AAA getting starts in case volquez/cueto/fogg can't cut it.

But Bray and Coffey should (and I think will) be on the 25-man opening day roster.

Bray for Belisle
Coffey only if Capellan is sent back

at 6:32 PM Blogger NVreds said...

I think at least one of arroyo's HR was in chicago, still reddleggs points about the ballpark effect is a very true argument, its something you shouldn't ignore.

freel hustles like rose, he's not close to rose in terms of talent...playing all OF and two IF positions takes a pretty talented guy, yes i know lots of guys can do it but its not easy.

jack no one is "gushing" thats a pretty annoying term and you're overusing it. just because we're a little more positive about something doesn't mean we're "gushing".

at 6:42 PM Blogger Joe McManus said...

Freel plays hard, no doubt. I admire that about him, and it is clearly his most valuable trait, but it also hurts him sometimes, literally and figuratively. He is so reckless on the basepaths, it's almost offensive. I can't count the times I remember him running right into an out. I love having him as a utility player, but he is an expensive one. He is a solid platoon player, but should not be an everyday starter. If we could get a decent throw and catch guy behind the plate that could hit a little, I'd make that deal. Keppinger and Hopper will be on the team anyway, and they both more than adequately fill Freel's role on the team at a fraction of the cost.

at 7:01 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

I agree Joe, If a trade can be made for Freel,etc. then do it,A SOLID catcher or a solid pitcher.Pull the trigger.

Freel is a hard nosed player that I respect for his hustle & heart,but a trade for what makes this team better is what really matters.

I just think(In my opinion) that Freel does have talent & He's underrated by some posters.I agree he can be reckless on the basepath & in the field,but that comes with playing heart & hustle.Something ever manger wishes they had in a ballplayer.Agreed he's not the most talented,but his hustle makes up for that.Sometimes you have a player with a whole heap of talent,but no heart & hustle.I guess if you can find a player with all three attributes then your looking good

at 9:14 PM Blogger weaselwee said...

What a joke!

Sending Jay Bruce to Triple A reconfirms why the Reds continue to finish in 5th place year after year.

Are you telling the Reds fan base that Cory Patterson is going to give you more than Jay Bruce?

There is no good reason Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Johnny Cuerto and Homer Bailey should be sent down.

Get experience now so you can win next year.

at 11:52 PM Blogger firefly118 said...


Great move sending Bruce down, I think he needs at least 4 more years at AAA. You guys are right, he needs more seasoning and other STUFF.

Hopefully we will pick up Bonds and he and Patterson can platoon in CF for us.

Oh yeah! I just bought my 6 pack of tickets....I can't wait to see Hatteberg win us a title and Patterson win a gold glove.

Reds 72-90
Bengals 7-9

And these moves are why.....You can get mad at me, you can tell me I am an idoit, you can even scold my opinion......BUT THE HISTORY DOESN'T LIE, AND THE WIN % DOESN'T LIE. IT IS THE SAME YEAR AFTER YEAR, and you wonder why we have these same discussions and arguments over and over.

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