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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Rumors mill

The press room at Ed Smith Stadium also serves as the lunch room for media, scouts and front office people, so it's a breeding ground for rumors.

Here's one I heard today: The Reds are actively seeking a catcher.

That serves to reason. They've got to be concerned about David Ross' back. He's missed three weeks after having spasms. He also hit only .203 last year. Paul Bako, the third catcher, only hit .205.

I think the Reds would move Ryan Freel in a second to get catching help. The problem is Freel is owed $7 million over the next two years. Freel has been playing some infield, i.e, the Reds may be showcasing him as utility guy.


98 Comments:

at 4:46 PM Blogger Legion of Doom said...

Any chance Freel gets moved for Mike MacDougal?

 
at 4:47 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

lets hope they can find an everyday catcher. Even if Ross is healthy .203 is not going to cut it. Seems to me Krivsky should have addressed this in the off season if they are not satisfied with Valentin's defense.

 
at 4:52 PM Blogger Slasher016 said...

I'd drop Freel in a heartbeat for an average catcher.

 
at 4:57 PM Blogger cincikid said...

Who has extra reliable good defensive hitting catchers? Doesn't the Rangers have a couple after they acquired Saltamacchia last year? I also have read that Homer Bailey and Belisle are open game for another team. I personally thing we will get more out of Belisle and Bailey at the trading deadline All Star break.

 
at 5:04 PM Blogger docproc said...

It was interesting to see Dane Sardinha in the Tigers lineup yesterday...

 
at 5:08 PM Blogger mentalmidget said...

Hey redleg city, thats the very point I tried to get you to understand Sunday!! Our beloved Red's need a better catcher than what they have!! Ross just doesn't cut it!!

 
at 5:15 PM Blogger NVreds said...

Bengie Molina would mash in our park, see if he's available, giants would probably take a prospect+vet package

 
at 5:15 PM Blogger gannfan said...

Isn't there an ex-Cubs catcher available that's been calling Dusty for a job, or have the Reds already signed him?

 
at 5:16 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Look around. Who's got catching? Almost no one. It's one of the worst eras for quality catching baseball-wide. That's why people like Bako and Colina can hang around camps. Look at last year's draft. There were two decent catchers: Wieters and Mesoraco, and the Reds grabbed the latter.

The guys at www.redlegnation.com have a good thread on this very subject today.

 
at 5:22 PM Blogger Maltybuck said...

I've had my doubt about Krivsky, but I've given him the benefit of the doubt for the most part. But he's just now starting to look for a catcher? Better late than never, but my goodness, this should have been addresses months ago.

 
at 5:28 PM Blogger Will T. said...

If someone doesn't step up and earn the 5th spot (Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, #5) do you think the Reds could get Kelly Shoppach and Cliff Lee from Cleveland? I think that it could turn out well for the Reds. Lee would give them a quality left handed starter and Shoppach is a good young catcher.

 
at 5:30 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

I don't think its so much that Ross doesn't cut it, its that Bako and Colina don't cut it. They want a third catcher because Javier Valentin is the team's best pinch hitter until Votto supplants Hatte. I'd say the start the year with Colina/Valentine/Acquired guy, and then Colina goes down once Ross is healthy.

 
at 5:34 PM Blogger David Hartman said...

I'd move Bailey, Belisle and Freel to Texas right now for Saltalamaccia, since the Rangers don't know what they're going to do with both him and Laird. And I'd move Belisle and Freel for Laird.

Texas is, if I read things right, actively looking to move a catcher to solve their Laird-Salty issue. They'd make good dance partners.

 
at 5:35 PM Blogger Mike said...

Whatever happened to catcher J.D.Closser of the Padres/Brewers/A's?I thought this kid had some major possibilities.

 
at 5:39 PM Blogger Chris Sabo said...

Ive got some news for all of you....theres not too many good offensive catchers out there, and those that have them...aren't trying to get rid of them...I do agree that the Rangers may be the best bet....They have Laird and Saltalamacchia...Salt is probably the one that would be available.

 
at 5:39 PM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

It's sad it has taken an injury for the Reds to realize that a quality catcher was a need. I just hope they make an attempt to sign a quality starter and not a band aid until Ross is healthy. I love Ross's power and his arm, but we need a player who can average more than .210 consistently. And it does seem we suddenly have a surplus in center fielders.

 
at 5:39 PM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

It's sad it has taken an injury for the Reds to realize that a quality catcher was a need. I just hope they make an attempt to sign a quality starter and not a band aid until Ross is healthy. I love Ross's power and his arm, but we need a player who can average more than .210 consistently. And it does seem we suddenly have a surplus in center fielders.

 
at 5:47 PM Blogger RotoJeff said...

Michael Barrett (backing up in SD) wouldn't be such a bad option, at least offensively.

 
at 5:55 PM Blogger RyanRico said...

Freel for Dane Sardinha, that would be purdy dang close to a tragedy if that happened.

I know Texas just bartered for one of our OFs in the offseason, but they have a nice glut at C with Saltalamacchia and G. Laird...Laird would be a nice fit.

 
at 6:01 PM Blogger redsfan8557 said...

I myself would hate to see Freel go,just for the fact I love the way he plays. But we do need a good catcher

 
at 6:04 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

I agree 100% with NVreds. Go get Molina. Do whatever you can to get Molina. If Freel/prospect of the likes of Maloney or Thompson get it done, thats great. I'd even consider moving Bailey if they threw in a young pitching prospect. This guy would allow me to seriously make the Reds my central favorite.
2 gold gloves, and last year finished 10th in the NL in AB/K, and is 8th in that category among active players. You put the ball in play in GABP, good things happens. He puts into play a ton.

 
at 6:19 PM Blogger OldCleat said...

Michael Barrett (backing up in SD) wouldn't be such a bad option, at least offensively.

No. Barrett is unacceptable defensively. A catcher needs to catch.

 
at 6:28 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

freel is all hustle no talent..this team will not win with a catcher batting .203.... rationalize all you want

Fogg and Affeldt are proving to be super pickups..told ya so

love Jack

 
at 6:32 PM Blogger Brian said...

What about Kenji Johjima from Seattle. He's in his final contract year and the Mariners have Jeff Clement who's ready to play today. I would think a package deal of Freel and a couple others might be of interest to Seattle.

 
at 6:36 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Molina, 34 this season, is due $12 million over the next two years. He's allowed 37 passed balls in the past three years and thrown out around 26 percent of would-be base stealers the past four years.

 
at 6:41 PM Blogger traceyjoneswho? said...

hey will,
I like the way you think with that trade, but lee is pitching well this spring and i don't think cleveland will part with those guys cheaply. fogg seems have to have the upper hand on the five spot. i still think the redlegs will be right at the top of the central all season.

 
at 6:48 PM Blogger PresidentJohnAllenJr. said...

I have said this before. Get Barrett but some of you didn't like him at that time. Freel for Barrett. Barrett is a ex-cubbie and Baker knows him. It would make sense to trade Freel now than later. Contracts would even out. Any Comments?

 
at 7:05 PM Blogger mgarner543 said...

Catching is down across the league. There were no good FA this past winter, so it is hard to blame Krivsky for not signing anyone. With catching down so much, it is unlikely that teams with a viable backup would be willing to trade him away. I doubt any major move for a catcher can be made unless Texas is really down on Salty. I think our best hope may be Ross getting healthy, cutting down on his strikeouts, and reverting to '06 form.

 
at 7:45 PM Blogger NVreds said...

"rationalize all you want"
what the hell does that even mean, you probably do it just as much as anyone else on here.

Problem with molina is he is probably the fans favorite player in SanFran, so the giants would be hesitant to trade him, he stinks badly in the middle of the order because he clogs the bases big time, and he's one of the giants best hitters so he has to be there. In our order he'd fit in the 7th spot (or 8, but that would be a waste of his bat). he would kill it, play well behind the plate, and other than watching him run the bases, the fans would love the guy.

probably won't happen, the giants would ask for a lot.

 
at 7:55 PM Blogger Kenworld said...

I agree whole heartily with:
Bailey, Belisle and Freel to Texas right now for Saltalamaccia

Bailey isn't gonna cut it ever as a starter and it will take the Reds a couple of years to realize that and another one to get him converted to the Pen. Belisle is about as good as he is going to get. Freel is the problem with his contract. Salty has been my pick for a hot young catcher for the last couple years. I couldn't believe they traded him but McCann is a stud and they really wanted Teixeira.

 
at 8:17 PM Blogger Champ Summers said...

Seriously, Belisle, Baily and freel.

We already have no depth at pitcher. After the rotation is set there are about 4 more guys who can pitch at this level in the organization. You just traded 2 of them

 
at 8:35 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Why, Why, Why would you trade Freel for Barrett?
Freel is a better Catcher than Barrett!
Ross or Barrett? Ross
Javy or Barrett? Javy
LaRue or Barrett? Jason

Barrett is like Bob Uecker...He can get to any pitch once it stops rolling

 
at 8:49 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

John-Any idea what Bengie Molina or Ramon Hernandez market value would be? Those are the two guys that I see that are actually impact guys that have a chance to be moved. Both older on teams that need to get younger. I'd assume our only MLB ready trading chips are Bailey, Belisle, and Freel, as I don't think they'd want to move Votto for a catcher, as that would defeat the purpose, as then they'd need to find a 1B next year.
I've gotta say a package deal including Belisle or Freel with Thompson or Maloney and one of our infield prospects should bring us back one of Hernandez or Molina.
Maybe more likely Hernandez for a deal centering around Belisle because of Patton's injury?

 
at 8:51 PM Blogger JDGood said...

scouting report on Barrett:


ASSETS: Has a smooth, line-drive stroke and gap power. Can get hot with the bat and carry his team for stretches. Is a proven run-producer.
FLAWS: His skills as a receiver have regressed in a big way over time. Is a bit too confrontational with his pitchers. Is typically slow for a catcher.
CAREER POTENTIAL: A purely offensive catcher.

 
at 8:55 PM Blogger R said...

Trading Bailey at age 21 would be stupid. He was rushed. Patience needed.

 
at 8:56 PM Blogger Justwinbaby said...

Wow I can't beleive what I'm reading. We could not get a bag of used baseballs for Farney and his 7 million dollar contract. And you guys are ready to trade away our 21 year old, best Prospect because he's having growing pains? I do like Saltamacchia, but he would be pricey.

 
at 8:58 PM Blogger Chris said...

Kenworld -

Bailey isn't ever gonna cut it as a starter? The dude's only 21 years old... at that age, forever is a long time. He could be a good trade chip for a catcher, but I don't take giving up Bailey that lightly.

 
at 9:37 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Belisle, Valentin, and Freel for Salty...and a couple bucks if necessary. Dont trade Bailey, at least not now. His value is low, and you dont trade a top pitching prospect and not get some kind of pitching back.

Weve been so deprived of good pitching for so long we just cant get rid of anybody that has potential.

Guys, I know, Cueto and Volquez, but think about it. We arent even close to the kind of staff well need to win a championship,we still need all the pitching we can stockpile. Even the best catcher in the game cant make a 20 game winner out of a schmuck.

Salty? Go get him, but not for Bailey.

 
at 9:45 PM Blogger reds in indiana said...

What would it take to get Saltalamachi? Would a package of belise and freel and maybe another minor leaguer.

 
at 9:50 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Only way you trade Bailey is for an established major league starter.

 
at 9:52 PM Blogger Scottyb said...

I find it funny that before pre-season everyone was crying save Baily at all cost.
Now everyone is saying trade him.
He is a kid and this bad spring does not mean that he is washed up.

It would be amazing if we could get Saltamacchia. We will have to give up someone for him

 
at 9:58 PM Blogger Bengal43 said...

Anyone have a scouting report on Bryan Pena of the Braves? He has been stuck at AAA for quite a while with a little playing time in Atlanta.

 
at 10:07 PM Blogger Branden said...

alot of fans are very wishy washy around here. first of all just because bailey had a bad spring doesnt mean we should up and trade him. Secondly its the same with ross hes a great defensive catcher and if he doesnt hit well so what, he saves runs by throwing out around 50% of runners stealing maybe better

 
at 10:35 PM Blogger redsfan8557 said...

I dont think Bailey will ever be ready. He wont listen to anyone, he needs to grow up or get off the pot.

 
at 12:30 AM Blogger Dave said...

Nolan Ryan...Sandy Koufax...Tom Seaver...Dwight Gooden...Josh Beckett...C.C. Sabathia...the list goes on...

Homer Bailey...

Yes, it's true, at 21 years old, pitchers with rockets for arms tend to have a few issues with hitting the mitt consistently. Homer Bailey is overstriding, and sometimes overthrowing. Neither is a major issue that he won't work out, and as evidenced by the list above, you can have a career after you turn 21. Everyone needs to get off Homer's back and show some patience - we also need to quit trying to trade:
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Adam Dunn
Ryan Freel
Johnny Cueto
Homer Bailey
David Ross
Joey Votto
Scott Hatteberg
The kitchen sink

Castellini, Krivsky, and Jocketty have built plenty of winners before, and they know what they're doing...they'll do it again here, so long as they ignore the posters here and do it the right way (the draft, good development in the minors, resign your own stars). For those who haven't figured it out, our lineup the next few years is this:

CF Patterson (yeah, he's still young and can flat out play with all 5 tools - you'll see soon enough)
SS Keppinger
RF Griffey/Bruce (in a few)
2B Phillips
LF Dunn
3B EE (maybe at 5, Dunn 6 vs. LHP)
1B Votto
C Ross/Valentin platoon until we get something better

Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Volquez, Bailey in some order - someone might keep Bailey's spot warm for a year...
Burton and Bray will set up for Cordero (Weathers rides off into the sun in a year or two), Affeldt, Roenicke, Coffey, and Belisle eat the middle innings.

Quit complaining and trading everyone and their mother - we finally have a solid team here, with a very, very bright future; let's P n M less about what we don't have and enjoy the return of Cincy to baseball relevance.

 
at 4:17 AM Blogger Chris said...

Anyone who thinks we should release Homer because of an attitude problem - what is your personal knowledge of the relationship between Reds coaches and Homer Bailey? And any other player for that matter?

Anyone who talks about how Homer Bailey doesn't listen, that Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey are lazy and have poor work ethic, that Edwin Encarnacion has an attitude problem, and that players resented Josh Hamilton because he needed a babysitter simply doesn't know what they're talking about and can't back up any of those assertions.

 
at 5:00 AM Blogger NVreds said...

personally, I wouldn't trade bailey, he's young these guys turn into guys like volquez(there are probably better examples i cant think of) and the team who made the trade for the young arm wins.

I guess I'd at least consider him in a trade for salty...no way i put him in a molina deal

 
at 7:04 AM Blogger mredsnut said...

Why is everyone so H-bent on trading Freel? Yes, we could use a catcher, but cmon! Who would you plug in at 3rd if EE goes down or doesnt hit? Keppinger? Freel should still be on the club as a super sub. He would even catch I'll bet if he could stay in Cincy! I know we are looking at a platoon in CF with Patterson/Hopper, which is fine by me, but a Freel trade makes your bench a tad weaker! Dont do it Krivdog!!

 
at 7:04 AM Blogger mredsnut said...

Why is everyone so H-bent on trading Freel? Yes, we could use a catcher, but cmon! Who would you plug in at 3rd if EE goes down or doesnt hit? Keppinger? Freel should still be on the club as a super sub. He would even catch I'll bet if he could stay in Cincy! I know we are looking at a platoon in CF with Patterson/Hopper, which is fine by me, but a Freel trade makes your bench a tad weaker! Dont do it Krivdog!!

 
at 7:27 AM Blogger Buster said...

Not really about a catcher trade, but I was just wondering, is there any chance that Mike Stanton's off-season workout regimen included bending over to pick up ground balls. It would be wonderful if he could figure out how to do that. If steroids is what it takes for him to be able to bend over, I'm all for an exemption in the rules to allow him to do so.

 
at 7:54 AM Blogger Chris Sabo said...

I'm tired of people saying Bailey won't listen to anyone....how many of you are actually with him listening to whats going on..theres a difference between being hard to coach...and not listening to anything anyone says....do you think the kid likes to see the likes of Volquez and Cueto outperforming him? I highly doubt it. The kid has talent, he's 21 years old...if we can get ALOT out of him, I'd consider a trade.....aka he's not untouchable...but I think he's still got talent and with this motivation to improve more than ever now, he's worth keeping around....how easily we forget he's rated the 9th best prospect in the game, and he's only 21 years old.

 
at 8:51 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Dave ..

Not a single game has been played... we dont know how solid this team is.

Castellini has not built plenty of winners ..he was a minority owner with very little say and/or involvemnt

Krivsky was an Assistant GM

Trading a Ken Griffey and freeing up 12 million would help this team..Would not hurt this team with the emergence of Hopper and Keppinger if Freel was traded

I doubt very seriously if Krivsky, Castellini or Jocketty read this blog or if they care what bloggers think

 
at 9:25 AM Blogger R said...

Anyone who wants to bat Votto 7th in the next few years shouldn't be making lineups. He's too good at getting on base to leave him down there with the catcher and pitcher (automatic outs). Patterson leadoff is also not good. Keppinger's D won't make him the SS of the future.

 
at 10:01 AM Blogger Mike said...

You guys are in a dream world if you think The Rangers are going to give up Saltamacchia. For something like Freel, Belisle and a minor leaguer.

Did you happen to see who the Rangers gave up to get Salty? Just Mark Teixeira, a guy who hit .306 with 30 homers and 105 RBIs last season. I'm sure they're going to give Salty up for our spare parts.

My guess is it would take a package similar to what the O's wanted for Bedard to get Salty. That is IF he is even on the market. He may be an untouchable.

And they may be looking to treat him how the Indians do Victor Martinez. A little first base. A little catcher...

Laird might be an option for Belisle, Freel and a prospect like Maloney.

 
at 10:31 AM Blogger John Fay said...

Laird is a name I heard. His offensive numbers aren't great. I dont know anything sbout him defensively.

 
at 10:38 AM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

At this point, finding a team who willing to part with a decent catcher is going to be very difficult. Most of the good catchers are on teams that are considered contenders. Cincinnati simply needs a veteran catacher who can help mold the young pitchers we have into good pitchers for years to come. We need Crash Davis.

 
at 10:41 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

NV Reds.. Volquez has looked impressive this spring training. Yet he is a pitcher that is 3-11 the past three years with a 7.20 era at the major league level

 
at 10:48 AM Blogger Kenworld said...

I dont know that I would give up Belisle, Freel AND a prospect like Maloney for Laird.

My view on Bailey has always been the same. I got to see him several times in Dayton and I didn't see the domination that I would have expected by his reputation at the time. And from what I have seen since and read from the reporters I am convinced that he will eventually be moved to the pen AND I believe that he will dominate in that role, but as a starter I just don't see it.

 
at 10:50 AM Blogger stew said...

I live in Ft. Worth, so I hear a lot about the Rangers on the radio and tv. On one radio show that I was listening to last week they talked a lot about Laird and the Rangers catching situation. The concesus was that last year was a down year offensively (his first as a starting catcher) but he has a lot of potential and good power. Defensively he is above average with a very good runners thrown out percentage. The talk show host said they shouldn't trade Laird because they need a defensive catcher and Salty is not the answer yet. So, if we could get Laird for a reasonable price, I think it would be an upgrade over Ross.

 
at 10:50 AM Blogger j-rod said...

mike said what ive been thinking. everyone wants rid of belisle and freel for a reason. the same reason these teams wouldn't trade a good established catcher for our cast-offs. it would be great to snow someone, but lets be realistic.

 
at 10:50 AM Blogger stew said...

I live in Ft. Worth, so I hear a lot about the Rangers on the radio and tv. On one radio show that I was listening to last week they talked a lot about Laird and the Rangers catching situation. The concesus was that last year was a down year offensively (his first as a starting catcher) but he has a lot of potential and good power. Defensively he is above average with a very good runners thrown out percentage. The talk show host said they shouldn't trade Laird because they need a defensive catcher and Salty is not the answer yet. So, if we could get Laird for a reasonable price, I think it would be an upgrade over Ross.

 
at 10:53 AM Blogger Bob Loblaw said...

Unfortunately, Laird is the same catcher as Ross is. They're both low average hitters with decent power. I think whoever suggested Atlanta as a trading partner is on the right path. Of course they have McCann, who is a stud, but they also have Javy Lopez as a non roster invitee, and he might not make the squad as they have two other young catchers who could be decent.

 
at 11:08 AM Blogger Redleg city said...

I saw on Fox baseball.com,that the player the A's wanted in any Blanton deal was Cueto. To all of you dreamers,who want another catcher,getting Molina or Salty,isn't going to be OUR rubbish. It doesn't make sence to trade our players,who we don't want for a player who the other teams want ( such as Molina and Salty ).

 
at 11:31 AM Blogger Jack in St. Louis said...

Don't we already have a defensive catcher who can't hit? What good is it to bring in another one? At least Ross has home run power, and, I have to believe that his average last year was a bit of an abberation. He hit better the year before, didn't he?

 
at 11:34 AM Blogger Jack in St. Louis said...

I believe the Cardinals have a top young catching prospect on their AAA team....think his name is Anderson. I'm not sure I'd trade within the division, but, the Cardinals are desperate for pitching and outfielders. A package of Belisle and Freel might get it done, since they already have Molina.

 
at 11:38 AM Blogger Jack in St. Louis said...

jackblueash....you keep bringing up Volquez' 3-11 major league record. I tend to look more at recent history.....wasn't he 2-1 with a 4.50 ERA last year after being brought up? The ERA is skewed a bit by a few bad outings. He hasn't had enough starts to make any kind of judgement.

 
at 11:40 AM Blogger jdeezman said...

Jack... I must thank you yet again for pointing out for the 47 billionth time the savings the Reds would have if they cut Griffey and for also pointing out for the 48 billionth time what Volquez' record and ERA was for the last three years.

I think that I had forgotten those numbers somehow.

Now... could you tell us what that has to do with the subject posted by John Fay (rumor mill) or what the blog has been discussing (rumor mill for catcher)?

Thanks in advance...

 
at 11:44 AM Blogger redsfanwoody said...

Dave,
I agree Castellini & Co. have done a good job so far in turning around this organization. Of course until it translate on the major league field, it won't mean a whole bunch to people.

Has anyone thought of Ramon Hernadez of Baltimore for catching?

If I was looking for a catcher, I would check in with Seattle about Jeff Clement. But the asking price would probably be too high. Also anyone thinking picking up a catcher inis upcoming off-season, nothing impressive on the list.

 
at 12:09 PM Blogger Eric said...

Freel and Maloney for Salty.... I would love for Texas to take that. What are the chances?

 
at 12:10 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

in the two years that castellinni has owned this organization..the team went from 80-82 to 72-90. Prospects like Bailey have not done so well, it appears that Bruce will not even make the major league team . Recent aquisitions like Fogg and Affeldt look terrible. And lets not forget about the Stantons, Cormiers, and the dozen others that have flubbed the last two years

Volquez has looked great in spring training, who knows how he will do in the regular season.. Over the past three years he has not done so well as his record indicates

the organization has not made great strides as of yet..maybe it will maybe it wont.

 
at 12:23 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Ramon Hernandez is due $7.5 million this year, $8 million in 2009, and an option for 2010 worth $8.5 mil or a $1 mil buyout.

Uh, no. Not for a 32-year-old catcher coming off a really, really bad and injury-filled year.

I think many of you are shooting too high on a catcher. Krivsky has a way of finding these people under the radar. Whoever heard of David Ross before he came to the Reds?

 
at 1:00 PM Blogger Kurt said...

I don't think there is a catcher out there the reds can trade for that will really improve what they already have. Your not going to give up Homer rated #9 in baseball of America for catcher, not going to happen. They will have to ride it out with what they have and hope they can hit a combined .240 with 15 home runs and 60 rbi's. As long as they play good defense and work with the pitchers, they can hit .210. Look from within to upgrade that position.

 
at 1:05 PM Blogger Kurt said...

I think the reds will have to go with what they have at catcher. You can't trade Homer who is rated #9 in baseball of America for a catcher, it won't happen...if it did, Wayne might lose his job. I don't think there is much out there that will improve what they have now, so lets hope they hit a combined .240 with 18 home runs and 60 rbi's. They will have to upgrade with in, if they want to improve this position.

 
at 1:33 PM Blogger redsfan8557 said...

You guys are funny. We are 2 weeks to opening day, dont you guys think Baker needs to start figuring out what the starting 5 are?

 
at 1:35 PM Blogger redsfanwoody said...

Mr. Redlegs, not all catchers are done at 32. If anything his injury filled year has shown him the need to slim down and work out. Not everyone is shooting high,if that was the case,we'd be asking for Martin or Mccain.

And I would bet a great deal of people probably knew something of Ross before he came here. Most of the people here are more up to date than you might believe.

You are an interesting read,but sometimes you need to come down off the soap box and mingle with us common folks.

 
at 1:46 PM Blogger Bill Elliott said...

Long time reader, first time blogger. I've been a Reds fan for over 50 years, and must admit, I'm always excited this time of year. A new year full of hope and high expectations is what the Spring is all about. All though everyone is entitled to his/her comments, Jackblueash, I find yours to be very annoying and pessimistic. I'm not sure why you even post on here, maybe it's just to get reactions and fire Reds fans up,either way, I find you stale and boring.
Enough of that-Go Reds-Settle on a fifth stater, find a catcher, and we'll be in for a great season.

 
at 1:48 PM Blogger Chris Sabo said...

Has anyone seen Jorge Cantu's numbers this spring?? Theyre lookin verrrrrry good...I'm usually pretty happy w/ the front office decisions...but I must say making room for Valenzuela (who has now been traded to the mexican league by the braves, after we got back 25k for him) in the rule 5 draft...wasnt our brightest moments.

 
at 2:06 PM Blogger Jeff said...

Redsfanwoody -- Redlegs point was this team cannot afford to spend $8M on a catcher, especially one who was injured a great deal last year.

 
at 2:10 PM Blogger IndyCat said...

Forthat matter, what about Mike Redmond, the backup to Joe Mauer in Minnesota? He has always had a pretty good stick. Not sure about his defense.

 
at 2:38 PM Blogger Michael said...

Freel won the honors of all-American catcher in high school and was a gofer too.

Freel played 2b, SS, 3B, LF, CF, RF and Catcher in high school. Why not let him try out for catcher?

Go-Fer-It Freely!!!!

 
at 2:55 PM Blogger redsfanwoody said...

Yeah Jeff,I got the point and actually was aware of his contract. My point was I think sometimes people underestimate or dismiss others knowledge of baseball a little too quickly.

 
at 2:59 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

If you move Freel and Belisle you open up about 5 million dollars in salary, or just 3 million less then what Hernandez is owed. But I guess since you don't want Molina or Hernandez on the team you don't look at that side of it. If they add Molina it and move those two guys you'd only add 1 million in salary. And in a deal for Hernandez Baltimore would be likely to send cash if we didn't send Freel, assuming Baltimore is even interested in moving him, which they should be, since they are already talking about trading their closer, before he's even pitched a game for em.

 
at 3:03 PM Blogger BoilerUp said...

What about going after Brandon Inge of the Tigers? He prefers to play 3rd base, but used to catch, and I believe is doing so this spring with the Tigers. He makes alot of money, but would be nice insurance at 3rd for EE, could be kept on the roser as a 3rd catcher behind Ross and Valentin, could be our RH platoon 1st baseman, and would provide for a decent PH off the bench. We need all four of those things.

 
at 3:20 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

"I think many of you are shooting too high on a catcher. Krivsky has a way of finding these people under the radar. Whoever heard of David Ross before he came to the Reds?"

I have heard of David Ross..he of batting .203 fame

when this team starts winning I will be wildly optimistic. I am being realistic after seven terrible years.

I find false hope and overoptimistic projection to be stale


wonders why John fay lectures me on attacking others and why john fay allows other to attack me.. Oh well

 
at 3:36 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

Excellent article from Jayson Stark at ESPN today. Here's the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2008/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3301183

Jayson touches on a number of items that have me thinking the Reds will have a very good year. Particularly his breakdown of the bullpen breakdowns last year. It's excellent reading. Here is a taste:

"This is a team that led more games at the end of the fifth inning last year (75) than the New York Mets, Chicago Cubs and Arizona Diamondbacks (among others). You could look it up.

• This is a team that got outscored by 71 runs after the seventh inning last season and by 92 runs after the sixth.

• This is a team that lost eight games it led after seven innings and went a ridiculous 7-17 when it was tied after seven. "

He makes a strong case for the bullpen being better this year and I have to agree. The stats for Arroyo that he lists will blow some guys away. Particularly the fact that he recored more quality starts than Johan Santana. Oh heck, go read it.

 
at 3:37 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

On a much more important note. Beer will be $7 a bottle this year at Joe Nuxhall Field. Enough to send me to the local tavern with AC, good food and big screen TVs.
ST CSA

 
at 4:01 PM Blogger redsfan8557 said...

Does anyone know why Bruce is not playing, is he hurt ?

 
at 4:10 PM Blogger anti-media said...

We have a bad situation....Freel gets 7 mil. over 2 yrs.!!Who is our catcher??? Leadoff ??? I blame W.K....Walt please take charge!!

 
at 4:27 PM Blogger Hugh D. Pohl said...

Chris, I'm with you on the comments about player's attitudes. I'm so tired of the Dunn and Griffey comments etc. How do these posterd know so much about the personal habits of players.

JackBlueash, what was Volquez MLB record the last 3 years again? I forget. And yes, you are right ONCE AGAIN- not a single game has been played. Forgot that too.

On the catcher situation, not a lot out there when you consider salary, health and availability. Ross and Javy make a decent tandem between them if Ross can raise his average a tad and stay healthy.

 
at 4:59 PM Blogger jdeezman said...

LOL!

Paranoia will destroy ya!!!

Thanks for the link to the Stark article red faced, but to show such optimism on a Reds blog is almost scandalous!!!

 
at 5:20 PM Blogger Jack in St. Louis said...

As has been pointed out...several times....David Ross did hit .203. What hasn't been mentioned very often is that he also hit 17 home runs in only 311 at bats....drove in 39 runs. He's a very productive .203.

 
at 5:30 PM Blogger mentalmidget said...

I don't know how many teams are interested in Griffey right now, especially with his $$$, Why not "think outside the box" and package Griffey, Freel and Belisle and shoot for the best catcher and, yes, another pitcher? I know, I really haven't thought this completely through, but a team should be built up the middle (c, ss, 2b, cf) and out. Shoot for the very best catcher you could get for the 3 players above. However, he must carry his weight with the bat!! Somehow, I think I'm going to catch some heat for this one....

 
at 5:42 PM Blogger mentalmidget said...

Jack in StL., no disrespect, but Ross' 17 HR's in 311 AB's may be impressive to you and alot of others, but run production is the key. 39 RBI's in 311 AB's ??!!! That is not enough for any player in the MLB,,,unless he's pitching.

 
at 5:55 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Jayson Stark said the Bengals would be in the Super Bowl two years ago

no sound team has a "tandem" at catcher..ross has to raise his batting average more than a "tad"

 
at 6:17 PM Blogger Jon said...

WAAAAA! No leadoff hitter! WAAAAA! No catcher! WAAAAAAA! Freel gets a lot of pay! WAAAAAAA! I'm no alarmist, but I'd characterize our situation as downright apocalyptic!

 
at 6:29 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

Um Jayson Stark covers baseball and never said that. Google Jayson Stark, Bengals, Superbowl if you don't believe me. You won't find anything.

 
at 6:40 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

umm.. Jayson stark when speaking with Lance Mc Allister a number of years interjected that the Bengals would be in the Superbowl

 
at 6:45 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

Hey guys, the Cowboy is on 1530 you can listen here: http://www.1530homer.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st

I don't know if this will post before he's off the air but I thought I'd try.

And Jayson Stark did predict that the Giants would win the Super Bowl this year so that makes up for the stupid bengals pick the year before.

 
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