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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Reds trade!

Not exactly a blockbuster: The Reds today traded to the Kansas City Royals RHP Brad Salmon in exchange for a player to be named later or cash. This spring for the Reds Salmon posted a 4.50 ERA in 5 relief apps (6ip, 7h, 3er, 3bb, 9k).

He was 0-1 with 4.13 in 23 games for the Reds last year.


at 6:02 PM Blogger Mike Stapp said...

I can see it now: Welcome to Cincinnati Alex Gordon/Billy Butler as the PTBNL

at 6:06 PM Blogger LUVTHEREDS said...

I never understood the "player to be named later"...How exactly does that work?...How do they agree on a player?

Can't say I'm sad to see Salmon go...He was always a disaster in waiting...

at 6:11 PM Blogger Redlegsfan76 said...

John, Was Brad Salmon on the 40 man roster?

at 6:18 PM Blogger Stan said...

Maybe a catching prospect in return?

at 6:21 PM Blogger Future GM said...

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at 6:22 PM Blogger Future GM said...

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at 6:31 PM Blogger Grizzlyfox said...

PTBNL-I believe typically teams have a list of 3-4 players or so that they can choose from at a later date, gives them a chance to scout em and see which one would be the best fit.

at 6:31 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Salmon was not on the 40-man. The way I understand PTBNL is this: They agree on a type of player, say Double-A pitcher, the Royals give the Reds a list and then the Reds pick one.

In some cases, the player has been agreed on, but can't be traded until a certain date. It has to do with when they signed.

at 6:32 PM Blogger Stock said...

Sounds like the Reds just acquired Miguel Olivo or possibly Matt Tupman. They now have insurance if Ross is out for an extended period. If Olivo hit 16 dingers for Florida last two summers he is sure to reach 20+ in GABP (with regular playing time). Say goodbye to Bako. If the Reds get Olivo then that may imply 3 catchers when Ross returns (or another trade). It would be difficult to cut Olivo.

at 6:40 PM Blogger Stock said...

My guess is that since Salmon is not on the 40 man roster and they would be forced to place Olivo on the 40 man roster (assuming he signed a major league contract) they are waiting to name Olivo until next week so the Reds have time to figure out whom on their 40 man roster they will drop. Capellan would be the choice if they offer him back to the Sox.

at 7:18 PM Blogger Jon said...

Let's reminisce about our old pal felipe lopez...this from mlbtraderumors.com:
"The Nats have handed the starting shortstop job to Cristian Guzman, creating a battle for second base between Belliard and Felipe Lopez. Lopez responded with a "hell no" regarding a bench role. Hell no to your .659 OPS and lousy defense, Felipe! Belliard is more open to a part-time role, though he's been outplaying Lopez. Lopez may be the one to trade, given his impending free agency."

Do I miss him? Hell NO!

at 7:19 PM Blogger Jon said...

this too, from Ken Rosenthal, for all you Blantonians!

"The A's wanted spring sensation/top pitching prospect Johnny Cueto from the Reds for Joe Blanton - no deal."

Danger averted.

at 7:41 PM Blogger RyanRico said...

Arrivaderci, Mr. Salmon. Here's to hoping he gets the opportunity in KC that was clearly not available to him here in Cincy.

I'm a tad worried, because Dayton Moore in KC is known as a scout's scout, but if we get a C in return, I guess I'm okay w/ it.

at 8:59 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

You place Brad Salmon in front of the biggest, widest barn you have ever seen. You put him on a mound, hand him a baseball and say, "hit that barn." He would rock 'n fire and . . . completely miss the entire barn.

He had opportunities, there was a reason he was dropped off the 40-man, why he was available to be re-signed to a minor-league contract, and why he didn't make the cut:

He's wilder than two bobcats in the backwoods. He needed 399 pitches to get through 24 MLB innings last year. Always behind the count and couldn't pitch in the clutch, which really sucks for a reliever.

He allowed 15 RBI in those 24 innings. Runners on base? Batters hit .341. Runners in scoring position? Batters hit .357. Pitch at home? Ten earned runs in 14 innings. He'd had one or two good batters and then fall apart. Confounding.

at 9:17 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Player won't be named till after opening day. I don't think it's anyone who will be in bigs this year.

at 10:04 PM Blogger Future GM said...

no..there's no way KC gives up Olivo - who they signed for around 3 or 4 million a year - for a fringe reliever. Olivo would be in the mix to be the Royals' starting catcher and all...

at 11:22 PM Blogger Matt said...

Mr. Redlegs is selective with the stats. While I agree in principal that his overall stats hide his shortcomings, you're taking it a little too far. I think it's been discussed before that era splits are poor indicators for relievers because their earned runs are usually concentrated into a handful of outings (Salmon's were 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2) which may be spread randomly and land by coincidence on one side of the split home/away split. I think if he did that for 10 years, you'd have a point. (0.93 was his Away ERA which you can't brag on for the same reason.)

It's much less the case for starters but you still need a few years to establish a real pattern. The poor performance under pressure is more troublesome but he was a rookie. Before his last outing, a bad one, he was at 3.42 era with a 1.18 whip and .212 against (I think). Even with the bad one, he was 4th in ERA/avg against and 5th in whip for the Reds last year.

I find him ultra-expendable with Roenicke and Viola in waiting but he didn't do anything that 21 other guys didn't do worse.

at 11:35 PM Blogger Matt said...

I hope they wouldn't take the Rossian Olivo for that kind of money. However, I can see why KC would want to trade him at that salary if he doesn't win the job from Buck. I'm hoping for Tupman who seems to have good plate discipline in the minors. Dunno how much better than Hanigan or Tatum he is though. The Reds lost Miguel Perez (Pirates) who made a nice injury comeback last year and they need a little depth in the system.

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