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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Sunday, April 20, 2008

Reds rally to win in 10

From Enquirer reporter Shannon Russell:

Ken Griffey Jr.'s hit to right field in the bottom of the 10th inning scored pinch runner Ryan Freel and gave the Reds a 4-3 win over Milwaukee today.

The Reds averted a series sweep on a drizzly Sunday at Great American Ball Park before 26,902 fans.

Edwin Encarnacion, who hit two home runs in a game for the third time in his career, redeemed himself after late fielding miscues. He bobbled a grounder that loaded the bases in the top of the 10th.

Milwaukee's Gabe Gross scored on Jared Burton's wild pitch to break open a 1-1 game. Then J.J. Hardy connected on a base hit RBI for a two-run lead, which disappeared in the bottom of the inning.

But, after falling behind 3-1 in the top of the 10th, Encarnacion and Paul Bako knotted the score with back-to-back home runs off Brewers closer Eric Gagne.

The game initially featured a showdown between Aaron Harang and the Brewers’ Yovani Gallardo, who made his first start of the season Sunday.

Gallardo was fresh from being reinstated from the 15-day disabled list, following a Feb. 19 surgery to repair his left knee’s torn lateral meniscus.

Harang struck out four of his first nine batters – three swinging, one looking – and allowed only one hit in the first three innings.

The hitter was Gallardo. He doubled to left field in the top of the third but was stranded on base when Rickie Weeks popped out to right center.

Hardy broke the scoreless deadlock by hitting his first home run this season in the top of the fourth.

Reds fireworks were unleashed in the bottom of the fifth when Encarnacion hit his first homer. He extended his hitting streak to 10 games, tying a career high, with a 414-foot shot into the left field stands.

The Reds had opportunities following the homer, starting with Bako’s bat-breaking base hit. Harang’s sacrifice bunt moved him to second, and then Corey Patterson walked.

But Brandon Phillips’ grounder to third base ended the inning and left Bako and Patterson on base.

Gallardo finished after the seventh inning. He gave up four hits, one run, walked three, struck out four, and surrendered a home run. He threw 112 pitches, including 68 strikes.

Harang pitched eight innings, and allowed four hits and one run. He struck out eight and and gave up a home run. Seventy-four of his 114 pitches were strikes.


at 4:41 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Ex-Red Jorge Cantu had 2 doubles today and 3 hits last nite.


at 4:52 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

we stayed 8 innings ..saw the win on TV.. nice win

gotta get Patterson outta centefield.. bring
Bruce up ..let him play

Dunn looks awful..I don't know the answer..Both Dunn and Griffey cant be here next year

my man Keppinger..what can I say


at 4:53 PM Blogger cmdugan34 said...

Ive got to question Baker on two decisions today again...first, not letting cordero pitch another inning (he had 17 pitches in the 9th) and second not using hopper to bunt in the 9th. The Patterson experiment needs to stopped immediately. Hitting well below the mendoza line now and hasnt shown he can get a bunt down on a consistent basis at all. Way to come back Redlegs...Im just gald Gagnes fastball is back to where it should be without performance enhancers!

at 4:54 PM Blogger Brad said...

What does Norris Hopper have to do to get a start over Corey? John...is Norris in the doghouse for some reason, or is Dusty that in love with Corey? The experiment is over!

at 5:08 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Was at the game today...

Pretty horrible day (weather wise) to go to a game. Good day to go, nonetheless, because the Reds won! One of the best comeback games I have ever been to.

If I hear anything about EE and that error in the 10th, and ANYONE saying he is terrible...I will probably flip. EE essentially won that game for us. He had our only run until the 10th, in which he added another. I will say that he needs to concentrate on his fielding more when doing pre-game drills, but he is the most clutch on this team, bar none.

It was also nice seeing Griffey perform well in the clutch today. And Paul Bako continues to hit the ball well.

Despite the weather, this was one of the best games I have been to in a long time.

at 5:17 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Lucky win,but I'll take it.

EE is a liability. Yea,he hit the HR to help come back in the bottom of the 10th & the HR to tie the game,but his glove could of handed the Brew crew the game.

6 errors in 19 games.

I think it's time to upgrade.I think the reds could get something for EE & a possibly Package.Unload some un-wanted weight(contracts) with players clogging up roster spots,for what the reds really need.

Patterson is another PROBLEM,he needs to be benched.His avg, is Horrid.I rather see Hops,who I like but he has not impressed me so far.But maybe some consitent AB's could help Hop's

Coffey,Needs to be straight up released or sent down to AAA.I'm tired of his act.

Bako,Ross,& Valentine??????Who's the odd man out.That is the million dollar question.I suspect they keep all three on the roster with a platoon Bako/Ross & use Javy as a PH threat.Javy is a better 3rd choice than Hatty or freel at C

Freel-I think he offers a lot.Plays every position,practically & plays them good enough to get the job done.

When Gonzo comes back the reds are going to have to figure out what happens to Kepp?The guy is their best hitter,flatout un-debatable.

Does he go the 3rd?Votto is staring to put the platoon at 1st to sleep,so where is Kepp going to go?Or is Gonzo Benched,or is EE benched & Gonzo plays 3rd.


at 5:18 PM Blogger ryan said...

Hopefully this will be the game that set the reds off on a great next ten games. What a win!

at 5:57 PM Blogger anti-media said...

Guys: We had a great win ,but It's now VERY apparent that is not a functional team !W.K. is in WAY over his head,he has set us back with many blunders!! We will not improve until Cluless,Dunn,and Griffey leave town.Those 2 are a cancer (dumb,soft,lazy)and hurt our clubhouse!WAKE UP CINCY FIRE KRIVSKY

at 6:05 PM Blogger CPSO said...

Was looking at the posts. Knew there'd be a 99% chance one would be up along the lines of "what a win!" "This one is gonna do it for us!"

Then I found it. Yippee! All is well in Redsland and they're on the way to the Series! Yayyyy!

Mike Walton
Chantilly, VA

at 6:13 PM Blogger Greg said...

good grief... griff comes thru in the clutch and there are at least 2 posters on here ripping him up and down. griff is possibly one of the better things to happen to cincy! i personally hope at the end of the year when there are a few options.... they let dunn walk...and pick up griffs option. people realize what we got? an amazing player... one of the best all time!

at 6:20 PM Blogger amazinglyrefreshing said...

Great win today.

I hate to be a Negative Nancy after a win, but when 7 of your 8 regulars have a .298 OBP or better...and the one who doesn't is your lead-off hitter, it's time for a little change.

For the young season: 3 starters under a 3.50 ERA and 4 relievers under a 3.20 ERA...hey, I'll take it.

at 6:25 PM Blogger Zippy said...

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I'd like to know why there isn't more talk about converting EE to left field. I'm a Dunn fan, because I like the fact that he actually gets on base, but it's obvious he'd be much more valuable as a DH than an outfielder, so he ought to be traded right away to an American league team looking for a DH. (Hello, Toronto!) I'm sure Dunn could bring a very nice package in return. Keppinger moves to 3rd when Gonzalez comes back, and Freel can play there in the meantime.

But the point is, EE needs to get away from 3rd base, at least for a while, and it seems like a win-win situation to get him into left and Dunn out of left. I have a feeling EE could move to left field tomorrow and the team would immediately be improved defensively at both positions.

Regarding today's game: Here's one nice thing I'll say about Dusty Baker.... at least he isn't Ned Yost. I'm still trying to figure out why Weeks wasn't bunting in the 6th, after Kendall led off with a double. Weeks struck out without even attempting a bunt, which almost anyone other than Yost could have predicted. I've been trying to imagine what Yost might have been thinking, but I'm afraid I'd need to drop my IQ about 40 points to be able to comprehend it.

at 6:30 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

When double E comes to the ballpark, he brings a whole bag of stuff with him. That guy is a game within himself. Tough conditions today so I won't be getting on him.

What a GOOD win today. LMAO

at 7:09 PM Blogger NVreds said...

I've actually had the thought of moving EE either to first or LF. Votto could spell him out there with kepp occasionally starting at 1st. something needs to happen, thats for sure.

Baker isnt ned yost..lol very true, hes blown tons of ball games like last year for example. plus why is gagne in for his fourth day in a row, are you trying to get him to blow a save? made no sense to me, especially with riske/torres/turnbow(maybe not turnbow) in your pen.

good win today obviously, gallardo was sharp and its no secret he has good stuff. still the bats need to get going, some sort of roster move is needed. hatteberg trade?

do not bring up bruce, I want him to succeed, not crack under the pressure of leading off, playing CF, and saving the reds season all at once. dangerous stuff to do that IMO.

can we PLEASE drop cantu & hamilton. cantu has 5 errors. not that big an upgrade for a higher price.

at 7:17 PM Blogger NVreds said...

baker, start hopper more, how obvious a move can you get. this was a questionable move not to start him today. also why didnt you pinch hit hopper (for patterson) when we needed a bunt, the pitchers pitching hand does not matter much in that situation.

while he's not perfect, id still rather him than a lot of people. we cant judge him too quickly either.

at 7:26 PM Blogger ryan said...

When the reds win oh, 10 out of their next 15 games i hope all you so called "reds fans" come on here talking about how everything is going great and give Dusty Baker is props. It's coming, i promise. Wins are coming and they are gonna come in bunches. No, this win today isnt everything but its the first step towards the top of the division.

at 8:59 PM Blogger Dave said...

My Grandpa runs faster than the Dunner - holy cow?! If he just ran slow (instead or slower), he would've been safe.

at 9:39 PM Blogger sabr_blogger said...

Those who say Patterson should not be leading off are correct - you simply don't put your lowest OBP in the #1 slot. But he still should play over Hopper (or anyone else currently on the roster).

Baseball Prospectus PECOTA projections for

Patterson: .274/.317/.430 (AVG/OBP/SLG) with 13 HR and 32 SB if given 459 PAs

Hopper: .288/.334/.342 with 0 HR and 11 SB if given 354 PAs

Patterson's 747 OPS should produce more runs than Hopper's 676. But yes, having him lead off is a farce.

at 9:40 PM Blogger sabr_blogger said...

(I'm not sure if this is a duplicate post - having a devil of a time getting logged back in here...)

Those who say Patterson should not be leading off are correct - you simply don't put your lowest OBP in the #1 slot. But he still should play over Hopper (or anyone else currently on the roster).

Baseball Prospectus PECOTA projections for

Patterson: .274/.317/.430 (AVG/OBP/SLG) with 13 HR and 32 SB if given 459 PAs

Hopper: .288/.334/.342 with 0 HR and 11 SB if given 354 PAs

Patterson's 747 OPS should produce more runs than Hopper's 676. But yes, having him lead off is a farce.

at 9:42 PM Blogger sabr_blogger said...

zippy -

"I'm still trying to figure out why Weeks wasn't bunting in the 6th, after Kendall led off with a double."

Why would you bunt and give up an out just to have a man at 3rd instead of 2nd, especially in the 6th inning? It reduces total run expectancy.

at 9:51 PM Blogger Bengal43 said...

Zippy.. I am glad someone agrees with me on putting EE in leftfield.

at 10:02 PM Blogger LittleRedMachine said...

I get a laugh at some of the biggest whiners in baseball and they all post on this board. LOL. Lemme make sure I got all this
- HOFer Grif is washed up despite hitting close to .270 with 3 bombs thru 3 weeks.
- Dunn (who has hit 40 bombs a year the last two) is a bum.
- EE sucks even though he has 4 bombs and has been his usual clutch-self at the plate (.360 with RISP up til this season).
- Corey sucks despite a solid glove and 4 HR.
- Cantu is a stud, despite being ditched by the Reds and Rays, because he had a good week.

I deeply apologize if I missed anything. You guys are the ones who always love the backup QB right?

at 11:09 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Jorge Cantu will fizzle out. His 70% out rate will kick in eventually. And his defense is still horrible no matter what. Not worth arbitration. One good year (3 years ago) does not make you a good player.

Someone said earlier that EE should be benched and that he is a liability...

First off, Edwin is on a 10 game TEAR lately. He's batting better than any Reds player right now. Why would you bench him?

I seem to remember a certain 3rd basemen last year who was the WORST in the NL in fielding, and won the NL Rookie of the Year nomination. Mr. Ryan Braun -- Not saying that EE can hit 30 homers and 90 RBIs this year, but he's off to a pretty darn good start. His hitting is consistently getting better by the year.

However, I wouldn't mind seeing Edwin get a try at first every now and then. What could it hurt? And what could it hurt to try him in the outfield some as well?

The Dunn and Griffey trade talks need to stop. This happens every year and is never going to happen. It is still very early to the season, so quit assuming Dunn is going to hit .186 all year long. The guy has walked 21 times this year so far. That's the highest in the NL, and 5 more than anyone else has. He's not seeing a whole lot of pitches worth hitting, and when he does, he's fouling them off. He should be moved into the #2 spot in the lineup. Statistically throughout his career, he has hit better there.

It's also nice to see Cueto and Harang leading the NL in strikeouts too!

As long as the pitching stays strong, I see this Reds team starting to turn around!


at 2:53 AM Blogger Zippy said...

Sabr --

"Why would you bunt and give up an out just to have a man at 3rd instead of 2nd, especially in the 6th inning? It reduces total run expectancy."

Because: a) one run may be all you need to win this game. b) Harang is a strikeout pitcher who's pitching well. c) Weeks strikes out a lot, and had already struck out against Harang. d) Weeks hasn't been hitting well for the past several days, so moving the runner to third is probably the most he's likely to accomplish. e) Weeks is a good bunter. f) Hardy was up next, and he's good at putting the ball in play.

In SOME scenarios it doesn't make sense to bunt with a runner on 2nd and nobody out, but in that scenario it was a no-brainer. Aggregate statistics aren't always useful for deciding what to do in specific situations.

at 2:57 AM Blogger Zippy said...


I've never understood why they've never given it a try. Maybe the powers-that-be know something we don't, but EE sure does look like an outfielder to me, and Dunn sure does look like a DH.

at 7:57 AM Blogger reaganspad said...

Cantu still has a ways to go to catch up with Votto.

I think EVERYONE would prefer Joey Votto to Cantu. And we prefer his run production.

So exactly where would you play Cantu then? Not First base.

at 9:21 AM Blogger robdicken said...

Why would you bunt and give up an out just to have a man at 3rd instead of 2nd, especially in the 6th inning? It reduces total run expectancy.

You're getting a person 90 feet closer to the plate, that's why. Now, unless there was already an out, it's a great choice to do. If there was already an out, then there's not a point.

And Zippy, the Dunn comment for a trade to Toronto is atrocious. Who are we going to get to drive in Dunn's 100 runs per season? That's the biggest question. It would take 2-3 different guys on this team to do that. If we can get a run producer in return for Dunn, then I say do it. But otherwise, it just doesn't make any sense, besides defensively.

Also, Mark Berry should be criticized up and down for sending Dunn home all the way from first on that first Keppinger double. The ball was already in the infield when Dunn was rounding 3rd. Kendall could have literally ran out to meet him. That cost us a potential early run!

at 10:44 AM Blogger barry.carlson said...

Good for EE and good for the Reds. You can say what you want about EE and his fielding but the guy has heart and the guy wants to win. You could see it in his eyes that he knew he blew it…he was visible upset. On the other hand did you see that tag out, lackadaisical play at home plate? Yes yes, Votto should have been more dramatic with his slide signal but do you think Pete Rose would have been knocked on his a$$ at home plate. No, Jason Kendell would have been on the DL! Dunn weighs in around 270 and should have knocked JK all the way to the backstop. All I am saying is that you have to play like you want to win…we need a little Charlie Hustle and Dunn I like you but what an awful play and it is a clear indication of the lack of emotion on this team.

How about playing Freel in CF...now that is a Pete Rose type of player!

at 11:14 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Pete Rose could hit.

at 11:24 AM Blogger robdicken said...

Dunn I like you but what an awful play and it is a clear indication of the lack of emotion on this team.

How about playing Freel in CF...now that is a Pete Rose type of player!

Dunn was out by a mile! Kendall had the ball before Dunn was even half-way home. That was strictly Mark Berry's fault for sending him home. That cost us a potential run with Votto coming up. Instead, Votto has to lead off the next inning.

Difference between Ryan Freel and Pete Rose...Pete Rose could hit and didn't get hurt all the time.

at 1:54 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

Let's not embellish the truth here. While the throw beat Dunn to the plate he was well past the half way point to home. Secondly, if you want to blame Berry (and Votto for that matter), that's fine but Dunn is equally responsible for not sliding. Nice guy but no intensity whatsoever.

at 4:21 PM Blogger Zippy said...


I didn't say we should give Dunn away for nothing. If you're going to call my suggestions "atrocious," at least pay attention to what I'm actually suggesting.

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