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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Swept: L.A. 5, Reds 2

Maybe the Reds ought to bring back Brandon Claussen. He's the last Reds' winning pitcher in Dodger Stadium. The Dodgers completed the sweep Wednesday night. That's nine straight losses overall for the Reds in Chavez Ravine.

The Reds are in another offensive funk -- three runs total the last two nights.

It's hard to get going when your leadoff man has a .262 on-base percentage as Corey Patterson does and your No. 3 hitter hasn't hit a homer in month as Ken Griffey hasn't.

It was extremely windy here tonight. Extremely. A fine layer of dust built up on my computers -- must be blowing in with the wind.

Johnny Cueto went five innings and allowed four runs -- two earned -- on seven hits. He labored, throwing 114 pitches. He wasn't hit hard -- two infield hits, two bloops hung up by the wind. One run scored a wild pitch, another on squeeze, another on passed ball and another on Cueto's pickoff throw to first that went into the stands.

"We gave them three runs tonight," Dusty Baker said. "You can't do that when you're not scoring runs. This is the big leagues. That was the difference in the game."

Reds scored one in the second. Adam Dunn hit check-swing double, thanks to the shift. Edwin Encarnacion singled. Dunn scored on Joey Votto's fielder's choice.

The Dodgers came up with two in the bottom of the inning. Cueto walked leadoff hitter James Loney, then gave up a single to Matt Kemp. Loney scored on a wild pitch. Kemp moved to third on Blake DeWitt's groundout. Kemp scored on Chin-lung Hu's squeeze. Cueto made nice play on the ball, flipping it to catcher Paul Bako with his glove. But the flip was a bit high.

The Reds tied it in the fourth. Brandon Phillips and stole third. Encarnacion got him home with a sac fly.

Cueto gave up an unearned run in the fourth another in the fifth on 12-foot high pickoff throw.

Jerry Hairston Jr. left the game after the top of the first. he pulled up running out a grounder to third. Paul Janish replaced him. Hairston went out with dizziness due to dehydration.


at 10:42 PM Blogger SigmaChi1219 said...

Hey John,
I saw your prediction for Bruce to come up early next week, but if Hairston's injury is enough to put him on the DL, what are the chances that Freel and Janish will man shortstop and Bruce and Patterson will take over CF?

at 10:47 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

Marty just said online that Hairston was suffering from dizziness and was dehydrated. So sounds like a day to day issue.

at 10:50 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

So the talk is that Willie Randolph may get the axe.

Anyone else think he could make a good replacement for Chris Spier?

at 11:11 PM Blogger Gridiron Gurus said...

What does Corey Patterson do for this team that Jay Bruce cannot? Please, even if Bruce struggles, he won't drop popups and there is no way he hits less than .220. Sorry Dusty, I think you're a solid manager, but stop letting the relationship with CP23 get in the way of what is best.

at 11:29 PM Blogger Chillicothe redfan said...

Cueto's getting exactly ZERO support from the defense tonight. Votto fails to scoop BP's great play, then the wind knocks another ball down (care to adjust to the wind, CP?). Ahh, the West Coast, where Reds' seasons go to die...

at 11:30 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Well, either these Dodger hitters are the luckiest SOB's or the Reds are horrible defensively.

at 11:41 PM Blogger John from Cincinnati said...

This is still Wayne Krivsky's team. Can't hit. Can't pitch. Can't field. Can't beat the Dodgers in Los Angeles. When is Jocketty is going to start making his mark on this franchise?

at 11:51 PM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

I love this team, I truly do. But as the saying goes, those you love the most can hurt you the most.

Just when you think they are going to put together a run after going 6-0 at home they come to LA and revert back to crappy fundamentals and poor hitting.

This team would make a preacher cuss. Catch the ball and show some patience at the plate, is that too much to ask for.

And lastly, you should never waste a good Belisle outing, we only get five of those a year.

at 11:51 PM Blogger SigmaChi1219 said...

I thought Pete couldn't be in the booth or a part of a Reds broadcast. Anyone care to explain how he was allowed to talk with Chris and George for an inning?

at 11:52 PM Blogger Redsfansince72 said...

John.. any chance you can ask Jocketty why Dusty cant stand to sit Patterson when he isnt hitting?? and keeps Freel on the bench when he is hitting .300+??? Patterson is NOT a leadoff hitter

at 11:56 PM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

If Johnny ever writes a book about pitching, he should title it Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Cueto. You never know what pitcher is going to take the mound.

at 12:10 AM Blogger ndjh12 said...

When you look at this line-up, would you worry about it as a major league pitcher?

at 12:12 AM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

I am beginning to think Griffey wants to stay in Cincinnati after all. If he had already hit his 600th homerun, he would probably be house hunting in the great north west by now. He must like chili better than lattes.

And he runs about as fast as the tin man before Dorothy found the WD-40 can. Come on Grif...drop the trailor and run.

at 12:20 AM Blogger Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

Team owners have to hate HDTV. Watching these games in HDTV is literally the best seat in the house.

I don't know why I would drive 3 total hours paying $4 gas, to buy $7 beers, and pay $10 to park ever again when I can watch the Reds finish in the cellar of a bad division in the comfort of my own recliner in this clarity. It's almost like I am standing next to Votto when he drops balls at first. Amazing.

at 12:40 AM Blogger John from Cincinnati said...

Thom and Marty said it best tonight: "After 50 games one has to look at this team and see it for what it is". I assume they were directing that comment to Walt Jocketty. This team is not underperforming, that would assume this team has talent and plays lower than expectations. When has this team ever shown they are more than a sub .500 team? Not once in over 7 years now. This team lacks leadership, intensity and most importantly talent. It's time for a major makeover and until that happens I am going to stop following this team for the first time in 36 years of doing so. For a team to get swept in L.A. for 3 years straight is totally humiliating and unacceptable. The Dodgers had lost 8 of 10 games and 4 straight at home before starting the series versus the Reds. They were not hitting and after watching this series still weren't hitting, they scored all their runs off Reds defensive gaffes. You should've heard Vin Scully on Monday night. Boy he was indirectly bashing the Reds and Cincinnati. Saying they haven't won here since 2005 and now is the time to get healthy against them. That good players go unnoticed playing for the Reds because Cincinnati is a "quiet hamlet" (he was referring to Brandon Phillips). That Bronson Arroyo's ERA was so high because he plays in such a small ballpark (Actually Bronson's worst starts were on the Road Vinny). Blah Blah Blah. These are very depressing times to be a Reds fan. Walt, give us something to cheer about. Something more than simply calling up Jay Bruce. Who knows, with the Reds luck, he won't pan out either.

at 1:09 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Now can we dump the dinosaurs? By the way, there are more than 2 of them.

at 1:22 AM Blogger Zippy said...

Well, the good news is that Dusty didn't waste Cordero by using him in a tie game on Monday. Fortunately, Cordero's arm was well-rested as he sat there watching the next two losses. Gotta hand it to Dusty -- he's always seeing the "big picture" in ways that I just can't comprehend. I imagine that's why he keeps starting Patterson over Freel -- he must be saving Freel for the stretch run in September. I guess that's why he's the millionaire manager and I'm not.

at 1:26 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

- George Grande was exceptionally irritating tonight. I believe the list of "great guys" exceeded Cueto's pitch count.


+ Blue Ash Chili, great double deckers, chili nothing special IMHO. Camp Washington or Skyline best options.

at 2:16 AM Blogger T-Mac said...

Personally witnessed 2 of the 3 games. I was embarrassed for this team the way they played defensively. John from Cincy hit the bat on the ball in that this team lacks intensity, leadership and talent.

I questioned Dusty throughout the series and firmly believe he was a bad hire.

This team needs a major makeover . . . not even the great Bruce can save this train wreck.

Very disappointed in L.A.

at 2:48 AM Blogger Zippy said...

Since I'm back on the topic of Baker's incompetence, let me pose this question: Why DOES Baker keep having Griffey hit third? I've got five theories:

a) Baker is honoring Griffey for his past accomplishments.

b) Baker is afraid Griffey will publicly and/or privately pout if he's dropped down to where he belongs, which is probably 6th or 7th.

c) Every day, Baker heads to work thinking "I just KNOW this will be the day Junior returns to his old form."

d) Baker is under strict orders to keep Griffey at #3 because the team is paying him a #3 hitter's salary.

e) Baker is completely out of his mind and actually thinks Junior is the best choice to hit third.

Naturally, I'm leaning toward that last one, but I suppose any of them are possible. Or perhaps it's something else entirely. Regardless, it's yet another reason this team would be better off with a manager who's able to comprehend the importance of a batting order.

at 2:55 AM Blogger Peter said...

Get Corey Patterson out of this consistent role. He has to WORST OBP OF ANY POSITION PLAYER BESIDES JAVIER!!!! He continues to bat lead off. C'mon Dusty you don't owe him anything else, he's a so-so ball player

at 7:43 AM Blogger Bryce said...

How bad does Corey Patterson have to be before the reds call up Jay Bruce?

Bruce is making triple-a look like my 5th grade kickball class...and he's the kid that is really good in that class.

Now is the time for the Bruce to be Loose.

at 7:56 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Hamilton had 3 hits again last night

Dutch..nothing like going to the ballpark..bring your own food


at 8:44 AM Blogger robby said...

A couple observations, some of which have been made numerous times by others:

I understand why the Reds were concerned with Joey Votto's defense. He has bad hands. Not a good fault to have as a first baseman.

Scott Hatteberg is an awful pinch hitter, hates to pinch hit and has said so many times. Why is he still on the team? He is contributing nothing.

Why not use Javier Valentine more? At least as a pinch hitter. If he is not going to be used there are teams that would like to have his bat off the bench.

I don't understand all the negativitiy on this site directed toward Griffey. He was a great player. He isn't anymore. Why attack him for his diminished skills. It is sad to watch. Really no reason to attack him. His legs are gone, his bat speed has diminished. It happens at his age. I don't remember people constantly bashing Willie Mays at eh end of his career and he was awful his last couple years.

There can't be worse defensive team in baseball. Defense to some degree is a matter of being ready paly.

One really has to wonder what this team does in LA after the game is over. Maybe a little too much LA night life.

It is time to stop evaluating and make some changes to this roster.

For those who still defend Krivsky take a hard look at the way this team is put together.

at 8:46 AM Blogger Steve said...

George "Everyone and Everything is GREAT" Grande to in the booth guest Pete Rose last night: Pete, how do we get the offense going? Without missing a beat, Pete says: we'll you're left and right fielders need to get it going! Pete on Votto: he makes too many errors. Thank gawd somebody gets it!

at 8:50 AM Blogger Seth said...


I assume Baker gets asked questions about lineup construction, does he ever really answer them?

It's seems astonishing to me that he would fail to see the wisdom in getting a player like Dunn (who got on base even when he was slumping) as many at bats as possible.

What's his reasoning here? And is a change likely?

It's pointless to have speed at the top of the lineup if it's never on base.

at 8:52 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Dusty is such a complete idiot for not knowing on Monday that there would been no save opportunities on Tuesday or Wednesday. He should of pitched everybody Tuesday because anyone could see that they wernt going to win the games they had not played yet. Maybe they could have just forfeited these last 2 games for the opportunity to win that 1.

And I dont know why
he starts CP over Freel, but if you think youve got the edge on Dusty Baker because you would pitch Cordero in tie games and start Freel over CP, it shows how little you really know about baseball.

By the way, are you of the opinion that we have players poised to go to the playoffs and that these "collosal blunders" by Dusty are whats keeping this team from the World Series?

The fact is, these players cant get it done on offense or defense, Arroyo and Cueto are inconsistant, we have no 5th starter, and middle relief is a crap shoot. Do you disagree with this?

The bottom line is if the setup man does his job (which is not unreasonable for Dusty to expect)then Dusty is not the idiot you make him out to be.

Its all too easy to take a situation where a player doesnt do his job and say "The manager should have done this, or that!"

I do that often when a pinch hitter strikes out and I might say, "I would have batted so and so instead!". But I never think I know better than Dusty because of it.

And as far as your "foresight" of saying in the future when they dont pitch Cordero in a tie game and lose its foresight.

I could also say that they should always pinch hit Hatteberg, and then sit around and wait until they pinch someone OTHER than Hatteberg and then when they dont get on base say SEE! SEE! I have foresight!

While in the mean time half a dozen other guys might have hit safely in pinch hit situations.

Do I know something more than Dusty now?

at 9:14 AM Blogger Another losing season said...

Tonight's lineup in San Diego. Valentin might be a late scratch and replaced with Hatteberg.

Freel cf
Janish ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Scissorhands 3b
Valentin 1b
Ross c
Harang p

This is a formidable lineup and the Padres should be scared.

at 9:18 AM Blogger A. Solo said...

I am LOL this a.m. as I read the sub title on the sports pages: THE QUEST FOR 600.... Pleaaaaassssseeee... let it go. Griff is OTH - over the hill - I am sick and tired of attempted hype about this 600 when the guy is shot... he WILL get 600 but please, ship him out afterwards Mr. C.

at 9:20 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Batting Patterson leadoff and Griffey 3rd is, I'm sorry, just plain dumb. Baker is stubborn to a fault and unable to do bonehead statistics.

at 9:26 AM Blogger Wolfenberger said...

I don't know how any of you expect a team from the eastern time zone to go out there and win games that start at 10:15 EST and don't end sometimes until 2:00 am EST. I think the west coast should spot east coast teams points just for showing up out there.
Am I the only one that thinks this is crazy. Marty is yawning in the mic by the fifth inning and all he is doing is announcing the game. Baseball is a game of seconds and inches. If your swing is lagging imperceptably at all because of fatigue it effects your game. Same with pitching, fielding and baserunning.
Give the Reds a break. Lets declare a moratorium on playing on the west coast unless it's the pos-season.
By the way you were experiencing the Santa Ana winds blowing in off the Mojave last night and that is why your computer was covered with light sand. That sand probably traveled 100 miles just to mess up your hard drive.

at 10:47 AM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

i think we're gonna need that prescription from dr. carla refilled by the time this road trip is over

at 11:10 AM Blogger robdicken said...

Now can we dump the dinosaurs? By the way, there are more than 2 of them.

Very insightful. Apparently the record keeps on skippin'!

at 11:22 AM Blogger Seth said...


Obviously your aware of Patterson's woeful OBP, but what kind of questions does Dusty get about lineup construction and how does he answer them?

I know he's said he likes to have speed at the top, but has anyone pressed him about the value of speed if it's never on base?

Has he addressed the issue of lineup construction guaranteeing some hitters more at bats than others? Why would he want Corey Patterson to have a guaranteed at bat in the 1st and have more at bats in a game than someone like Dunn (who gets on base even when he's slumping)?

Joel Luckhaupt at Red Reporter recently posted Patterson's numbers in his last 108 at bats:

Batting Average: .188
On Base %: .234
slugging %: .248

I should think that Baker would have been long since embarrassed by this, but, failing that, he would have been concerned about how this affects "playing winning baseball."

at 11:37 AM Blogger kingseyeland said...

Marty and Thom were talking about how they'll almost have to DFA Patterson to get Bruce in there. The more they talk it, the odds get better that it'll actually happen.

at 11:52 AM Blogger Middie said...

On Monday night when you throw away a game you should have won, that sets the tone for the series. A team with no leadership and a manager that goes with vets over youth. So here we are, another spiritless, lost season.

at 12:27 PM Blogger depressed said...

Do you think they can win at least 2 of the 4 against the team with the worst record in MLB?

at 12:41 PM Blogger Arden Dulou said...

At the rate the Reds are going, Super 2 day could see a 6 player swing on the 25 man roster.

To use NCAA tourney lingo...
A. Phillips
On the Bubble (either way)
Hairston Jr.

The wait until Super 2 day is dreadful.

at 12:43 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

John in Cincy,
How did the team do in 2006?

call 80-82 a sub 500 team to bolster your arguement if you like.

This team should be playing at 500 now, they are a 500 team right now until some guys grow up. the have lost a few leaders, Jason LaRue for one and Rich Arillia another from that 06 team.

this team will play near 500 and trades will be made next month to improve the club. With this pitching, they can go on a 5-10 game tear anytime the offense chimes in

at 12:47 PM Blogger Bob Loblaw said...

After the 6 game winning streak, optimism started to permeate this blog. Now that we've been swept by the Dodgers, it's D-Day again.

The Padres are in shambles right now, especially after Pujols hit a line drive into Chris Young's face and then, while scoring, injured the starting catcher's ankle. So that's no Jake Peavy, no Chris Young, and a starting catcher down. If the Reds take 3 out of 4 from the pods, the west coast trip will not be a total wash.
Let's have a little faith here. If not faith in the Reds, at least faith that the Padres are atrocious.

at 1:01 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Good post Bob, maybe the Reds can arrange to play the Padres 115 more games.

at 1:04 PM Blogger Bob Loblaw said...

Did I really just call the Padres "Pods"? Woops.

at 1:07 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

they regressed from 2006..I think they finished 72-90 last year and now are 5 or 6 games under .500

Reagan Is that the same Jason LaRue that could not hit in slow pitch softball?

"With this pitching, they can go on a 5-10 game tear anytime the offense chimes in"

Cueto,Orroyo,Fogg,Belisle,Affeldt, et al. all have been tearing it up



at 1:14 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

I would agree with CSAs post..there are more than 2 dinosaurs on this team..some are just larger than others


at 1:15 PM Blogger JD in the SD said...

Well at least I feel the Reds can get a split with the Padres. You think the Reds offense was offensive against LA, the Padres have been pathetic to watch here all season. And their pitching hasn't been as great as in the past. Not to mention we don't need to face Peavy. As long as we don't have to watch Patterson trot out to leadoff this series I think the Reds can win 3 of 4 and have a little more respectable west coast swing.

John, I recommend hitting up Tin Fish for some good fish tacos or if you have extra time you should check out the new bar Tilted Kilt at the east Village entrance. It's like an Irish Hooters. Pretty good food as well. I will get to see Harang tonight and look forward to watch Volquez pitch tomorrow night.

at 1:38 PM Blogger Quan said...

Hamilton had 3 hits again last night

Baker wouldn't have started Hamilton (nor Babe Ruth) over Corey Patterson anyway, so just give it up. I am sick of hearing about Josh Hamilton.

The reason the Reds can't win in the westcoast is because they are accustomed to rely on the homeruns to score. They are unable to string together hits and move runners over. When the Reds get hits, they either get picked off, get thrown out, or hit into double plays. When a team sits around and wait for Dunn, Phillips, and Griffey to hit homeruns to score, they are not going to score too many runs in Dodgers Stadium (or Petco). Homeruns at GABP are routine cans of corn in LA. Junior's ball that Kemp robbed would've hit the back drop at GABP.

This team is horrible fundamentally because they have a lot of youngsters. Janish, Votto, Cueto all showed their youth in this series. Sadly, the veterans on this team are not much better fundamentally. Bringing up Jay Bruce will only make them younger.

By the way, don't you wish the Reds could've gotten Matt Kemp for Adam Dunn last season?

at 1:49 PM Blogger Zippy said...


Are you even thinking about anything I'm writing, or are you just arguing because it's your nature to argue with everything I say?

As I've said numerous times, the reason Cordero should have pitched in Monday's tie game is that nobody knows what's going to happen in the future, which means nobody (even the great Dusty Baker) knows whether Cordero will be of any use later in that game or in any of the following two games. To put this another way, I'm not criticizing Dusty for his inability to predict the future, I'm criticizing Dusty for behaving as if he CAN predict the future, which he obviously can't. In a game tied in the 9th inning, the ONLY thing Baker knows for sure is that Cordero could potentially help win the game if he pitches RIGHT NOW. But Baker behaved as if he somehow knew what was going to happen in the future, or at least had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen, which is why he held his best pitcher out of the game in a sudden-death situation. Since it's impossible to have a more difficult or "pressure" situation than sudden-death, you might was well use your best pitcher in that situation and hope your team can score a few runs in the next inning or two. It's simply irrational to do anything else.

Since you're so fond of blackjack analogies, let me ask you this. Say you're playing blackjack and you get a 21 and win the hand. The dealer says to you: "Sir, if I give you your winnings right now, there's a possibility you might just lose it right back to me, which means you'll have wasted this 21. What a shame that would be, eh? So I'll tell you what I'm going to do. Instead of giving you the money right now, I'll just keep it for later, and if you happen to draw another 21, THEN I'll give you the money you just won." Would you take that deal? If not, then perhaps you can understand why you don't stick Cordero in the dealer's pocket and HOPE you'll eventually be able to use him at some later time -- while risking the very real possibility that you'll never get to use him at all. There's nothing to be gained from it, and everything to lose.

at 1:53 PM Blogger Wolfenberger said...

So does no one think it's a litte unrealistic to expect a team from the eastern time zone to go out to the west coast and start games at 10:15 and be on top of their game. I don't know why they schedule games out there at all. Next time the Dodgers come here we should start the games at 9:00 am and see how well the Dodgers do against the Reds. You guys may want to take it easy on them. It's too bad this west coast trip came right at the moment that the Reds were finally getting their "sea legs" as a team.

Prediction: The Reds will be in first place by the 4th of July. Griffey will be pulled off the proverbial trading block by then too so that he can play for a team in contention which the Mariners still will not be.

at 2:08 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

I think I speak for everyone when I say I just can't get enough of the Kevin vs. Zippy debates. Keep it coming guys.

at 2:14 PM Blogger kingseyeland said...

Wolf, you'll get a ton of opposition to that theory, but not from me, mostly because I love the idea of starting home games against the Dodgers at something like 11:05 and seeing what happens.

at 2:35 PM Blogger drew in oc said...

You can't use the 3 hour time difference as an excuse for poor fundamental baseball. The Reds got swept because they failed to advance runners, constantly got behind in the count and couldn't execute basic throws to first base.

at 2:40 PM Blogger Zippy said...

Say, Kev, I wonder how you'd feel if Dusty ever tried using his starting pitchers the way he uses Cordero. Let's say the Reds don't score in the top of 1st tonight. (I'll go out on a limb and say that's a pretty likely scenario.) Imagine how you'd react if Dusty decided to send David Weathers in there to pitch the first inning instead of Harang. He could use EXACTLY the same argument you've been using to justify keeping Cordero out of a tie game on the road. He could say "well, the game was tied at the time, and I didn't want to use Harang until we got a lead, because I don't want to waste Harang in a game we're not going to win. And until we've taken a lead, we can't possibly win. Ok, so Weathers gave up 5 runs and we lost the game 5 to 4, but the good news is that Harang is well-rested and available to pitch tomorrow, and I'll put him in as soon as we've taken a lead."

See how dumb that would be? But it's exactly the same rationale used for keeping Cordero on the bench in a tie game. It's the "I'd hate to waste my best pitcher unless I'm pretty sure we're going to win" rationale, which is completely irrational to anyone who stops and thinks about it.

at 2:43 PM Blogger UC 513 said...

I don't like how Dusty never gave Freel a real chance to be the everyday center fielder. He just brought in his own guys right away, and they have been just okay. Patterson isn't getting on base as much as he should be, but is making some steller plays in the field. I feel like Freel could make most of those plays as well, using his speed.

On Dunn getting traded, I'm hoping that his latest surge will increase his value and we can rid our team of him. I am sick of his strikeouts, and his homeruns are not worth it. For every homerun that he hits that actually matters, he probably strikes out a dozen times that kills rallys and momentum.

at 2:44 PM Blogger REddlegg in Colorado said...

Hey there everyone,hope everyone is enjoying the weather.I Haven't been watching the reds as much since I have been travelling,but it looks like another sub-par season.

I'm die hard as the rest, but this season has me not really intrested.I'm not spending my time watching this team play bad baseball.

I quit watching & they won 6 in a row.Now they're back to the team I was used to seeing.SORRY!!!!

Why was Baker Hired?This guy has no clue.

at 2:50 PM Blogger JD in the SD said...

Wolfenberger, sorry to say, that's a ridiculous excuse as to why they have played so poorly thus far. These guys are professional athletes and baseball isn't the only sport this kind of thing happens. They rest and make adjustments to the time change.

And I don't know how you can make such an outrageous prediction as the Reds will be in first place in 45 days. The Cubs, Cards and even Astros are all playing alot better than the Reds. About the only safe bet is that Griffey or Dunn, if not both, will be gone by the trade deadline.

at 2:51 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

So a tie in the 9th is the first 21? And not pitching Cordero is not taking the winnings?

A tie on the road isnt 21, more like 16... a chance to win but odds come in to play.

He picked Weathers, DW wet the bed.

Zippy, I dont know what I can do to satisfy you in this situation, I guess we could continue with 20 more posts discussing this, maybe youre keeping score and trying to "win". Its really not that important that we agree is it?

If you are looking for validation, I would talk to some baseball people. My agreeing with you isnt exactly an endorsment. Although I know baseball pretty well, you seem bent on demonstrating that you know something more than proffesional baseball people.

Good luck!

at 2:53 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

"This team is horrible fundamentally because they have a lot of youngsters. Janish, Votto, Cueto all showed their youth in this series. Sadly, the veterans on this team are not much better fundamentally. Bringing up Jay Bruce will only make them younger."

typically the younger players have better fundamentals

Hamilton had 3 hits again last night

"Baker wouldn't have started Hamilton (nor Babe Ruth) over Corey Patterson anyway, so just give it up. I am sick of hearing about Josh Hamilton."

dont post on this blog


at 3:19 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Wolfenberger said...

So does no one think it's a litte unrealistic to expect a team from the eastern time zone to go out to the west coast and start games at 10:15 and be on top of their game. I don't know why they schedule games out there at all. Next time the Dodgers come here we should start the games at 9:00 am and see how well the Dodgers do against the Reds. You guys may want to take it easy on them. It's too bad this west coast trip came right at the moment that the Reds were finally getting their "sea legs" as a team.

so this is why this team has 7 plus losing seasons in a row?



at 4:08 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...


Although I agree that its tough for east coast athletes to go west, they need to suck it up.

It might help to do things a little differently when they are out west, like, I dont know, not going out to dinner after games.

A little room service, some TV, and go the @$%# to bed. Come back strong tomorrow.

at 4:11 PM Blogger Zippy said...

Kev wrote:

Although I know baseball pretty well, you seem bent on demonstrating that you know something more than proffesional baseball people.

In case you haven't noticed, Kev, I've been arguing with YOU on this board. And why have I been arguing with YOU (and not arguing with everyone else)? It's because YOU have been going out of your way to argue with ME. You can't seem to allow for the possibility that I might make a better decision than Dusty Baker about anything baseball related, and so you reliably disagree with every criticism I offer. And you do so without any good arguments other than "it's a difference of opinion." If I'm bent on proving I know more than professional baseball people, you're bent on proving I don't.

To listen to you, no professional baseball manager in the history of the game has ever done anything unwise, because, after all, they're professional managers.

Can you at least bring yourself to admit that it's possible I (or someone else on this board) could occasionally make better strategic decisions than Baker? Or is that too much to ask, because he's the manager and I'm not?

at 4:11 PM Blogger Joe said...

Zippy and Kevin: Good one!

I wonder how the 1970s team were able to handle the Westward travel when they played in the Western Division of the NL? This new generation just can't handle it!

at 4:17 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Kevin two days ago you were using the trip to the West coast as an excuse



at 4:18 PM Blogger Jeff said...

"typically the younger players have better fundamentals" ???

So just where did you pick up this bit of wisdom, Jack. Somebody share this with you when you were hanging out at the Machine Room Grille?

at 4:30 PM Blogger Zippy said...


I just did a quick check of the 1975 and '76 schedules. It looks like they did pretty well on the west coast in '76, but in '75 (by my quick count) they were 13 and 14. And that was a team that won 108 games. So it would seem that under-performing on the west coast isn't by any means a new phenomenon....

at 4:33 PM Blogger Wolfenberger said...

The Reds have had 7 consecutive losing seasons because they have sucked and been poorly managed by band-aid managers primarily. They have dropped more games than I care to count in a row at Dodger Stadium because the split second professional edge in seconds, millimeters, horsepower and mental cognition will always be with the Dodgers who are playing baseball at the same reasonable hour they play every night game they have every played. When they come east it just seems like a day game to them.
All I know is if I were the best surgeon in the world I still wouldn't perform surgeries that begin at 10:15 and end at 2:00 am for fear of accidentally killing someone.
If I were the best baseball player in the world I would want to have the same "luxury" especially when competing against other players of the same caliber for whom it was 9:00 rather than 1:00 in the morning.

at 4:36 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

"Kevin two days ago you were using the trip to the West coast as an excuse."

I made an observation, I didnt say it was ok.

at 4:45 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

"If you are looking for validation, I would talk to some baseball people. My agreeing with you isnt exactly an endorsment. Although I know baseball pretty well, you seem bent on demonstrating that you know something more than proffesional baseball people."

aforementioned blogger had the Reds winning the World Series



at 5:05 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Jack, after win 6 in a row, you were changing your prediction about this team.
Obviously takes the full 7 game win streak to make you crawl back under your rock.

Congrats on your 2 new posting ID's. They will serve you well until then new blog

at 5:10 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Zippy, I came to this thread and made 2 posts, (10:50 and 11:30)neither of which were about this issue, then at 1:22 you made a very sarcastic post about not needing Cordero the last 2 games, in effect, "chasing" me to this thread, AFTER already bringing the argument to that thread from another thread. (You apologized in advance for doing it)

Whos "going out of their way?"

If anyone is prolonging this it is you.

To answer you, of course it is possible for anyone to know something more than another person. I never said it wasnt, I in fact agreed with you about doing it at home. I dont agree with doing it on the road, I gave you the reason. Weather that reason is acceptable to you is of no consequence as it really doesnt bother me.

Maybe Im being a little too subtle up to this point so I will be plain and clear:

Get over it, I dont owe you anything, if you need me to validate your point to get on with your life.. its sad.

Im sure you must have the last word so have at it.

at 6:08 PM Blogger Zippy said...


My 1:22 comment didn't mention you, didn't quote you, and didn't ask for you to respond. If you take it personally when I make a case against Dusty's decision-making, that's your problem, not mine.

"Get over it, I dont owe you anything, if you need me to validate your point to get on with your life.. its sad."

You've got this exactly backwards, Kev. I'd actually prefer that you NOT post anything in response to my comments. That's the exact OPPOSITE of needing you to validate my points. My points are validated by their underlying statistics and logic. You don't even enter into the equation. I post responses to you simply because I prefer not to allow your mindless assertions to go unchallenged, lest I give anyone the impression that I've accepted your criticisms as valid.

Since you're allowing me to have the last word on this topic, I look forward to you never mentioning this again, no matter how many times I criticize Dusty for not using Cordero in non-save situations.

at 6:13 PM Blogger Quan said...

JBA wrote: dont post on this blog

I am entitled to post my opinions about the Cincinnati Reds, just as you are. My opinion, as is the opinion of many others, is that your act of updating in a Reds blog about a Rangers player is pointless. Perhaps you should not post in this blog and go post in a Rangers blog.

If you feel the need to post Hamilton's accomplishments because he played with the Reds for one season, you should also post about the accomplishment every other former Red. I would love to know how Aaron Boone, Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez, Brett Tomko, Sean Casey, Wily Mo Pena, Phil Dumatrait, Kyle Lohse, Ryan Franklin, et. al did...

at 7:54 PM Blogger BRIANSBENGALS said...

why is cueto throwing 112 pitches. I dont want to be sitting here 3 mths own the road and see him have arm trouble. Remember in spring training when he a bad start they said it was arm fatigue because he was pitching in winter ball. I said in st they need to have him on a pitch count for the game's and for the season. We are not gonna be in it this year so why are we wasting this kids future. He has great arm and they need to protect it. These things are they little things that great teams do and dont rush young arms. Clay bulchoz threw a no no last year and the sox still shut him down for the year. We as a team and fans have waited a long time to have good pitching and good young arms in our rotation,so why are we taking the risk of blowing up their arms and the future of our rotation. John if you could give me some kind of answer why we are doing this,i would be thankful.

at 12:09 PM Blogger Dave said...

You snipers have made this blog unreadable - outa here.

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