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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Monday, May 19, 2008

Dodgers 6, Reds 5

The six-game winning streak ended with one that got away. The Reds lost to Los Angeles Dodgers 6-5 Monday night on rookie Blake DeWitt’s single in the ninth.

This is one the Reds should have won. They led 4-0 and 5-2. Two errors -- by two different shortstops -- led to three runs.

"We had been playing such good defense," Dusty Baker said.

Russell Martin led off the ninth with a groundball off David Weathers. Shortstop Paul Janish fielded it and threw over first baseman Joey Votto’s head. It was scored a hit and an error. Russell went to third on Jeff Kent’s groundout. James Loney and Matt Kemp were intentionally walked to load the bases.

That brought up DeWitt. He singeld sharply in left to win it.

"This one hurts big time," Baker said. "We wanted to start the road trip off good We'll start a new streak tomorrow."

The Reds have lost seven straight in Dodger Stadium.

Adam Dunn's two-run homer in the third gave him one in five straight games. That tied the club record. Ken Griffey Jr. (2003), Johnny Bench (1972) and Ted Kluszewski (1954) had done it previously. Dunn has an RBI in eight straight games.

The Reds scored one in the first. Ryan Freel walked. He was eliminated on a Corey Patterson fielder's choice. But Griffey singled, sending Patterson to third. Brandon Phillips got him home. It was Phillips' seventh RBI in his last five games.

Two-out hits with runners in scoring position led to a run in second. Paul Bako fouled off four 3-2 pitches before walking. Bronson Arroyo bunted him over. Freel singled, but Bako had to hold at third. Patterson singled Bako in.

Phillips singled to lead off the third. Dunn followed with towering shot to right. The Red were up 4-0.

Arroyo got in some two-out trouble in the third. But he made the pitch to get out of it. With runners at second and third, Russell Martin grounded one to short. Jerry Hairston looked shaky from the start. He took an indirect route to the ball, then took an extra step or two before throwing. The throw was in dirt, it skipped by first baseman Joey Votto for a two-run error. It ended Arroyo's 14-inning scoreless streak.

"It was kind of funky play for Jerry," Arroyo said. "The runners were in front of him. It was a still a (4-2) game. That's pretty managable. I should have been able to get us to the sixth with the lead."

The error probably added eight pitches to Arryo's pitch count.

Griffey singled to start the fifth. He got thrown out at second when he tried to advance when Matt Kemp bobbled the ball. Phillips followed with a triple. He's the fastest Red from first to third since Barry Larkin was in his prime, by the way. Dunn lined a single to right to score Phillips.

Arroyo gave up the lead in the fifth. He gave up four straight two-out hits, three of which scored runs.


at 11:09 PM Blogger Richard said...

Does George Grande sound like nails on chalkboard to anybody else?

at 11:09 PM Blogger Richard said...

Does George Grande sound like nails on chalkboard to anybody else?

at 11:27 PM Blogger Aaron said...

OK, tell me the logic of bunting over Arroyo when he just threw a 32 pitch inning? He then tries to tag up on a fly out to CF and gets beaten up on a called out at third base. He was crusing after two innings now I am not sure he will last much longer.

at 11:39 PM Blogger Aaron said...

Oh my did Griffey look slow trying to take 2nd base on that bobble. What was he thinkin'? He had ZERO chance.

at 11:40 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Oh Griffey, you just cant do that anymore!

at 11:44 PM Blogger Joe said...

Dunn - he is officially hot now.

at 11:48 PM Blogger Aaron said...

I am watching the Dodgers feed for this game. Just before Griffey's ridiculous running mistake they were showing a highlight of his first career home run. Maybe they had it on the jumbotron too and he forgot what year it was.

at 11:50 PM Blogger The Dunce Cap Marvel said...

Did anyone see what Dunn said recently?

"We've been getting good pitching all year long," Dunn said. "The problem's been there's only one guy in our lineup that's been hitting (Jeff Keppinger), and he's gone. We've all got to pick up the slack."

This is great hearing this from Dunn, instead of say Paul Bako. Just goes to show you that the guy does care and can be a leader and difference-maker in the clubhouse and on the field. Ya know, I was drinking the Hater-ade a lot of you have been serving so far this season, but I've always really liked Dunn and think we should think about keeping him after this season if he takes a hometown discount. I think he is starting to become more of a leader and think he could do well as the Reds' elder statesman next year as long as the offense isn't built around him. He's playing better defense and is having better ABs (looking good against Penny, who he is traditionally awful against). A core of BP, Bruce, Votto, EE would that much more dangerous with a guy like Dunn behind them.

at 11:55 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Poor Griffey, either not trying hard enough, or trying to do something he shouldnt.

Someone needs to tell him:

We all want him to play hard, but noone expects him to run the bases like hes 25.

At this point, error free right field and a .280+ Ba w/ 80+ rbi and 25hr is fine. I think that is reasonable expectation at his age.

at 11:56 PM Blogger Jeremy said...

I am more than willing to look past the fact that Griffey has not been hitting home runs. However, there is absolutely no excuse in not running hard to first base. You always have to play as if the other person is going to mess up. Maybe he is just afraid that he might have another hamstring issue but he has to be willing to run hard. There are plenty of kids in the minors (not just Bruce) who would run with everything they have. Heck, Javy Valentin would love to have the chance. I guarantee he hustles.

at 12:00 AM Blogger Aaron said...

So sad ... they had the Dodgers ON THE ROPES this game. If this snaps the winning streak it will be very depressing.

at 12:01 AM Blogger Joe said...

Arroyo lost it in a hurry. Nobocy in the pen warming up, what was Dusty thinking on that one?

Jr. just does not have the legs to stretch them into doubles anymore.

at 12:02 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Who is calling for all these fastballs? Bako?

What is this batting practice?

at 12:02 AM Blogger Joe said...

Mercy....just when I was about to post that Arroyo had a good game going....he totally looses it.

at 12:02 AM Blogger Chillicothe redfan said...

Wow, goodbye momentum, it was nice knowin' ya

at 12:04 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

New ballgame, man and I was going to go to bed.

at 12:05 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Marty and Thom. Why didn't Dusty have someone up in that bullpen? Also, why is Josh Fogg on this team if he can't get in the game at this point?

I am usually with Dusty, but he was a little laissez-faire, leaving Arroyo in the game.

Nice to see the Reds beat up on Penny.

at 12:09 AM Blogger Aaron said...

We simply have to find a way to win this game. I refuse to micro-anazlyze all the reasons we blew that lead and failed to capitalize on a few other chances.

at 12:10 AM Blogger Aaron said...

Arroyo never had command of his curveball this game. Funny Vin Scully was surprised he only threw his fastball occasionally -- that's been the guys MO forever, and he was forced to throw it more than he would have liked today.

at 12:19 AM Blogger Aaron said...

Votto's defense is really starting to piss me off. He complained that he was kept down in the minors for too long -- that's what the minors are for Joey -- learning the fundamentals of the game. Now your gonna try to learn proper defense here in the majors???

He didn't even get his glove on that ball that Hairston through earlier. It was a bad throw, but he couldn't even touch the ball?

Oh damn I am micro-analzying and I didn't want to have to do that this game...

at 12:19 AM Blogger pskagg said...

I'm thinking it might be time to go with Janish as the regular SS until Keep is back. He probably won't keep hitting like he has, but he's great in the field and Hairston isn't. His error tonight and the bad baserunner are the kind of things that have plagued the Reds and will likely keep them under .500 if they don't go away. They should have still been up at least 7-3 agter the fifth.

at 12:39 AM Blogger Aaron said...

Another consideration should be Brandon Phillips at short. I know they have sworn to never consider doing that (actually I think that was Narron and Krivsky) but if he has the arm I see no problem with it. Then Freel Hairston can split time at second, with a spot start here and there for Janish at short.

at 12:47 AM Blogger Slasher016 said...

Hairston looking rough at short, Votto not having the best game at first. Freel is a terrible 3rd basemen... he tries to read the signature on the ball everytime he gets one down there. Throw the ball! Despite all this the Reds are hanging in there.

at 1:16 AM Blogger Aaron said...

On Patterson's last swing he looked like a friggin' Matador. That's the worst at bat I've seen from him all year. Horrible. Griff, not sure what he is doing anymore. The only balls he hits hard are low line drives to the right side. And yet.. we still have a chance here. COME ON REDS!

at 1:29 AM Blogger Aaron said...

Well that was disgraceful in a lot of different ways I am sure we can all agree on that much.

It was a fun streak while it lasted.

And now we have a problem at SS. My vote is to give Phillips a try over there. Then again he is so hot at the plate maybe you don't want to tinker with him... I could understand that too. But Janish and Hairston killed us over there today... and Griff's utter lack of common sense cost them a run on the basepaths as well. GOOD streak while it lasted boys, not start another winning one tomorrow, ok?

at 2:04 AM Blogger JerBear said...

Well you can't win them all. I just hope we don't get swept by the Dodgers. They really have the Reds number the last couple years.

Blake Dewitt on the Dodgers looks like a future batting champion. He can really hit, and he is only 22 years old I believe. The Dodgers have some really nice young players. They could be a team to beat in the next couple years.

Plus Beimel and Broxton coming out of the pen are just nasty. I kind of wonder why the Dodgers aren't better than they are.

I think I would start Janish every day or just about every day. I know he made a key error tonight, but I think he'd benefit more from starting than being a pinch hitter or late game replacement. Hairston Jr. has been a platoon player his whole career and seems to be a better fit playing different positions and not starting 5-6 times a week.

Finally, I may be the only Reds fan with this opinion, but I think Javy Valentin needs to start a couple games behind the plate. They'll need his bat at some point. Bako has done well and got on base, but I don't know...I really think Valentin is a valuable hitter at times.

at 2:09 AM Blogger John Fay said...

I don't think you want to move Phillips in season. Keppinger should be back three to five weeks from now.

For the record, a good threw would have gotten Martin. I thought it should have been a two-base error.

That was first loss by a Reds reliever since April 19.

at 2:41 AM Blogger michaelfpierce said...

A few comments from the game:

1. Dodger Stadium is a great place to watch a game. This was my first trip to Chavez Ravine. Luckily I am here on business and my employer is picking up the plane ticket, rental car, gas and meals. I like that the parking is at the stadium. There is no need to drive around downtown looking for a tiny lot or a garage that you can't get out of. Good planning went into this ballpark 50 years ago and it still works today.

2. Most Dodger fans are supportive. A lot left early, but those who stayed made a lot of noise. We could use that at GABP.

3. George Grande is shorter than I thought. I saw him at the airport this morning talking to Hal McCoy. George rides in First Class. Hal had a middle seat in coach. That's not right. You showed up a little later, John, and I didn't see where you sat. I hope that your seat was better than Hal's.

4. Dodger Dogs are better than the hot dogs at GABP.

at 7:07 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Sort of makes you appreciate what we have with Keppinger at SS

I saw Griffeys "home run trot" to first base on that single that should have been a double

Josh Hamilton had two hits last night..I think one was a homer


at 7:19 AM Blogger Bill G said...

I'm tired of watching Griffey jog to 1st base. He does it on ground outs or base hits. He looked like a druken sailor on his way to second base. Or should I say he reminded me of an over weight, end of his career, homerun hitter, who wears #3. Thats it, he looks like the Babe at the end of his career.

at 7:57 AM Blogger KFeller said...

Why is David Weathers still in a Major League uniform? And why is he on my favorite team! I can't stand watching him throw......he might as well wear the other teams uniform.

at 8:38 AM Blogger Mike said...

Hey Richard...Your'e right..it's excruciating to listen to George..Listening is like watching the grass grow..He never was very good..had to be in the right place at the right time. So, last night tried to listen to the radio instead. Not a good idea to put Thom with daddy. As soon as Marty finsishes with a sentence.. I begin to notice...Thom begins..on anything and goes and goes and goes..It's almost like he's trying to stay with Dad every step of the way giving revelations that are at best mundane. We all say the George talks to much..so does Thom WHEN he works with daddy.
Thom is tremendous when he works with Brantley..great chemistry here or when he wroks Fox with even Chris. But 2 Brennaman's at the same time...too much! Spit em up!

at 8:47 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

I lost my battle after the seventh, woke up on the couch @ 2:30, it seemed to me after about 11pm our time the Reds just lost their mental edge.

They just simply got tired.

We tend to overlook that possibility, but in Cincy these guys are in the showers around the time this game starts and in bed by about the 4th. (which is about when things started going downhill)

It almost seems silly, but its really not.

Now today most of them will find themselves up around 4:30 or 5:00am LA time. It cant be easy.

at 9:04 AM Blogger Another losing season said...

This game was like so many others in Dodger stadium over the years. Another game the Reds should have won but let slip away by not making routine plays and executing some poor decisions.

But I digress, Adam Dunn looks super duper and so does Brandon Phillips. Even Jr. Griffey came through at the plate. It was just a matter of time before these guys got it all together. Look out Cubs, here come the Reds.

A kinder, gentler, Losing Season.

at 9:12 AM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Keppinger in 3-5 weeks? Uhh...yeah. We've heard that before. Multiple anything Kremcheck says by 2, and in Alex Gonzalez's case, 3 or more.

Arroyo hurt himself by walking the useless Juan Pierre with 2-out in the 3rd or 4th. That led to the 2 runs. Just throw strikes with a 4-run lead.

at 9:30 AM Blogger pootyhead said...

I would pin the loss squarely on Hairston's error and the bad base running between Arroyo and Griffey.

at 10:31 AM Blogger Joe said...

First loss for a reliever since April 19....wow. If we could go another 30 days without a bullpen loss, we would certainly take it.

Janish at SS - need reliability in that position.

at 10:45 AM Blogger Zippy said...

This is at least the second time this season the Reds have lost on a walk-off hit without their best relief pitcher ever throwing a pitch. That's absurd. Baker's obsession with Cordero only being allowed to pitch in closing situations is yet another of his shortcomings.

And speaking of bad decisions -- can anyone tell me why this team continues to carry three catchers? How many times does this actually help the team win a game they would otherwise lose? MAYBE once or twice in a season, if that. Meanwhile, they COULD have their pick of hot minor league hitters (isn't there a guy named Bruce down there?), or a speedster who could pinch run in must-score situations, or another relief pitcher, or a utility player who could allow much greater flexibility on a daily basis. But they're choosing instead to fill a roster spot with an extra mediocre hitter with no speed and the ability to play exactly one position. And it's all because SOMEDAY it MIGHT come in handy if a particular scenario happens to present itself?

The more I watch professional sports, the more I'm convinced the people who run these teams have almost no common sense whatsoever.

at 10:46 AM Blogger Steve said...

Keep Phillips at 2B. My goodness, people over-react. Janish/Hariston will be fine until Kepp gets back. One bad game doesn't scream for change.
My beef is with Griffey: sorry but age is showing big-time now. He can't run a lick and is a shell of his former self as a hitter. Sad! Oh yeah, Stormy makes me nervous too.

at 11:09 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Big loss largely attributed to Baker and Griffey. Anyone can make a fielding error and I usually won't rip the player for it but Griffey was thrown out and cost them at least one run because he loafed to first base again. This guy has got to go NOW!

George Grande is the worst thing I have heard on TV in 50 years. I had to turn him off again last nite.

Nothing positvie,

at 11:22 AM Blogger Bob Loblaw said...

I know it wasn't his fault(with the error) but it was just a matter of time before Stormy Weathers lost a game. He's throwing 85 mph gas and every hit off of him seems like a rocket. I'm not sure how much he has left in reserve. It was a game we should have won but we got a couple bad breaks. I hope this doesn't hurt morale too badly and we can pick up a win tonight.

at 11:32 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

"Oh my did Griffey look slow trying to take 2nd base on that bobble. What was he thinkin'? He had ZERO chance"

.......Griffey was out because he was loafing as usual. Only reason.

at 11:34 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

George Grande works with Mick Cronin during the off season to develop excuses for bad performances.

at 11:39 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Good game for Griffey in the fantasy leagues, huh? 2 hits, yeah those stats don't lie, do they?

at 11:40 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

"He was crusing after two innings now I am not sure he will last much longer."

He didn't and he stinks.


at 11:46 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Reds would have won that game had Jay Bruce been in RF all night.

at 11:47 AM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

I see where the Cubs signed Jim Edmonds batting .178. He draws more interest than Jr. LMAO.

at 12:04 PM Blogger John from Cincinnati said...

Same ole Reds. Is it me or has this team never shown one important quality in years? That quality would be intensity. I mean, not a single player plays with a controlled anger. Anger can focus the mind and increase awareness. I would like to see this team display some grit and intensity and get mad when they lose games they should win, or make bonehead baserunning blunders, or an error that leads to the other team snatching a victory. Most players on this team have a ho hum attitude. I even saw Brandon Phillips joking around with Russell Martin. Once Walt makes his changes, I can't wait for him to land some leaders and players with intensity.

at 12:05 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

"Griffey singled to start the fifth. He got thrown out at second when he tried to advance when Matt Kemp bobbled the ball."

Why no mention of the fact that Griffey was trotting to first base and then slowed again after rounding the base before being easily pegged at second after the ball was actually booted several yards away from the fielder, not just bobbled?

Sick and tired of his loafing,

at 12:15 PM Blogger MPCB said...

I am getting a little tired of Weathers in the set-up role. I know this is the first loss for a reliever in a long time, but Weathers struggles almost everytime out. I say we move him up in the reliever rotation to early inning assigments and make some necessary changes to close games out.

Now, I realize we will never again see the likes of the 1990 Nasty Boys, but why can't the Reds let Affeldt and Burton move to a two man lefty/right set-up role and bring in Cordero to close. It is a very similar situation as with Charlton, Dibble and Myers. Affeldt and Cordero already seem to have the necessary attitudes to be successful at it. We just need Burton to get a little fired up and show some confidence like Dibbs used to do.

at 12:42 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

"I lost my battle after the seventh, woke up on the couch @ 2:30, it seemed to me after about 11pm our time the Reds just lost their mental edge.

They just simply got tired.

It almost seems silly, but its really not."

redeculous post


at 12:48 PM Blogger Jake said...

Has anyone seen the video of Junior stumble out of a Hollywood steak house?I hope Griffey was not out drinking on a game night.Yeah thats a sure way of getting out of a year long slump.I hope you dont block this comment from getting posted.

at 12:49 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...


Thats your insight about the game?

Incredible display of baseball intelligence.

at 12:49 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

It is just one loss..

Every time Weathers was in the game last year it was an adventure

Enough has been said about Griffey. Hopefully Bruce is brought up soon

Both Grande and Welch are somewhwat delusional. They could be sitting on the deck of the Titantic as it sinks and they would be telling us how great a ship it was

Hamilton get another homerun last night?


at 1:00 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...


You like to say "I attack posts, not posters"

Can you tell the rest of us how mispelling a word that I did not use in my post is attacking the post?

Or in fact arent you attacking me by mispelling this word because of my history poor spelling.

Another example of you being a complete fraud.

MR "someone stole my screen name".

(Noone ever believed that there was a "fake" Jack you know.)

at 1:02 PM Blogger T-Mac said...

I was at the game last night. I question Dusty's decision to start both Freel at 3rd and Hairston at SS given those are not their natural positions . . . and then there's Patterson! I thought he left Arroyo in too long and should have had the bullpen ready.

Griffey totally loafed it around first and by the time he realized Kemp bobbled the ball, it was too late. Had he been hustling/paying attention he would have made it. A veteran like himself should know/show better.

Phillips was a stud and Dunn looked good. Why we didn't go with Cordero in the 9th is beyond me.

I would say poor defense and questionable coaching cost us this one.

at 1:03 PM Blogger Bob Loblaw said...

The only thing ridiculous is the way you spelled ridiculous.

at 1:08 PM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

weathers era (5.02) is less than a run over his career era (4.33)...it has been said many times, he's not as good as last year's save numbers indicate, rather see burton get the 8th, at least he has good stuff.

when's the last time fogg's pitched? wasted roster spot if you're not gonna use him...plug him back in the rotation, let him be an average pitcher there and try belisle in the pen. if he can't cut it there, time to cut him loose

righty options in the pen at l'ville include the majik man, brower, and adkins, who appears to be the closer and has good numbers.

almost forgot reaganspad's boy coffey...no thanks...anyone know what happened to mcbeth?

at 1:15 PM Blogger Ashland ATeam said...

Two things regarding last night's game:

- The Reds lost nearly 100% because of two plays, both of which were errors by shortstops who shouldn't be on the team right now. How can you complain about that? If Kepp's not hurt, Reds win 5-3.

- In a 5-5 tie on the road, burning Cordero is foolish. Let's say that Cordero pitches a scoreless 9th, and the Reds go up 7-5 in the 10th. Who pitches the bottom half? If Weathers then blows the save, Baker gets ripped then too, right?

The bottom line is these games happen. We shouldn't have gotten swept by a horrible Pirates team, but then again, we shouldn't have swept a first place Marlins team either. We shouldn't have won Saturday, and we should have won last night. These things even out.

at 1:21 PM Blogger robdicken said...

redeculous post

LOL!! Says the person who can't spell!

Haha sorry...had to comment. That was too funny!

Anyway, the West Coast has ALWAYS been the demon to the Reds, even dating back to the Big Red Machine years. Winning on the West Coast has been extremely hard for the Reds, period.

at 1:26 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

Why no mention of the fact that Griffey was trotting to first base...

Exact same way Grande described it after the game in his wrap up. No mention that Jr. didn't hustle even though that other dude in the booth pointed it out after the play.

But the important thing is Jr. is hitting again and back on track. The Reds should pick up his option now for next year and instill some confidence in him.

at 1:30 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Reds would have won that game had Jay Bruce been in RF all night.

??? Didn't pitching and errors give this game up? Leave it to Jay Bruce to be the Superman that conquers ALL evils!! EXCELSIOR!!!!

Nice 5 posts in a row about Griffey. Is your record done skipping yet?

at 1:39 PM Blogger Jake said...

Why are comments being denied about Griffey stumbling out of a Hollywood steak house?It's one thing to block comments about other posters.It's a totally different thing to block a comment about this.Whether he was drinking or not,let the viewers be the judge.

at 2:02 PM Blogger Dustin said...

The Reds will wait til at the earliest of June 1 to call up Bruce. If he is on the big league roster for less than 128 days, he won't qualify for a year of service, nor be considered a Super 2, and would push his arbitration clock back to after the 2011 season.

at 2:56 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Griffey is now hitting .250...sign that extension..

thats redeculous..

I agree with John Fay..Castellini seems to like Dunn..I don't think Griffey comes back next year


at 3:01 PM Blogger Steve said...

JackBlueAsh said: Both Grande and Welch are somewhwat delusional. They could be sitting on the deck of the Titantic as it sinks and they would be telling us how great a ship it was

That's a funny comment but it's more George "Never-say-anything-bad" Grande than Welch. The latter rips into some players now and then. IF anyone is deserving of criticism from last night, it's Griffey. Pathetic baserunning.

at 3:51 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Steve..most read my posts. no need to copy

Welch is weak also


at 3:52 PM Blogger rbreds said...

how about Deion Sanders from home to third?

at 4:02 PM Blogger Zach in MO said...

I don't have "connections" like some people on this blog but I have heard / read 2 reasons about why Fogg hasn't been pitching.

1. The Rockies want him. If he pitches horribly, he might lose some value. If the Rockies really do want him then the only reason he's still a Red is they want a prospect that the Rockies don't want to give up.

2. The other reason is maybe they are saving Fogg for Belisle's start. I'm not sure but I think his last appearance was Belisle's NY start. If Fogg has to go 4 innings (3rd - 7th - that's possible knowing how Belisle has pitched) you would want Fogg to have thrown anytime recently.

I also agree. Janish should be playing SS regularly. I think he will make mistakes but we need to see what this kid is capable of.

at 4:07 PM Blogger RickDinChicago said...

"Why are comments being denied about Griffey stumbling out of a Hollywood steak house?It's one thing to block comments about other posters.It's a totally different thing to block a comment about this.Whether he was drinking or not,let the viewers be the judge."

OK, this is factually incorrect. Griffey was walking backwards talking to a fan. As he approached the curb to get into his taxi (still walking backwards) he slips off the curb because he obviously wasn't paying attention to where he was walking.

If he's guilty of anything it's being an idiot, not a drunk.

I'm glad John isn't allowing your rumor-mongering to go through.

FYI - by no means am I defending Griffy. I want Bruce in RF too.

at 4:13 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

So which is it Jack?

Are you as bad a speller as I am?

...or were you taking a shot at me?

Tough spot, I know...what to do?

Pretend you mispelled the word, and look like a hypocrite for making fun of my spelling...

Or admit that you were attacking me and still look like a hypocrite for doing something you say you dont do?

Either way, the truth is evident.

at 4:39 PM Blogger cmdugan34 said...

Did anybody by any chance catch Griffey out on the town last night in Los Angeles stumbling around?


at 4:47 PM Blogger Joe said...

The natives are restless - what lineup are we going to see tonight?

Belisle - could it be his last start? If he goes less than 5 solid, is he done as a starter?

at 4:49 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

I think you all are getting way to upset over one game

Lets stay positive..team is actually playing alot better

Keppinger will be back..Bruce will be up...Life is good..Both Volquez and Hamilton will be in the All Star game


at 5:01 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Dont know if JF will let this through, but heres th link for the Griffey video. Judge for yourself.

My opinion... if this is last night, (and it seems to be)its got to be 3 or 4am Cincy time.
Its a free country, but its not what I would be doing.

www.tmz.com/2008/05/20/ken-griffey-jr-stumbles-home/ - 7 hours ago -

at 5:09 PM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

saw that video...didn't think he looked drunk by any means, barely even stumbled off the curb.

did think he looked even fatter than he does in his baseball uniform though. dude must be pushing 250-260 at this point

at 5:23 PM Blogger Zippy said...

Nobody has responded to my earlier post, so does this mean everyone is as perplexed as I am regarding the decision to carry three catchers? Is there any justification for it whatsoever?

Regarding Griffey -- it's been at least three years since he's actually attempted to run at full speed out of the batter's box (or anywhere else, for that matter). I think it's a response to so many injuries, and now he's conditioned himself to take it easy 99.9% of the time. I'm not sure why people are just now deciding to complain about it, but I'm glad they are. I'd rather have Griffey going all-out all the time and injuring himself rather than having him leisurely jogging around the bases and in outfield, as he's been doing for quite a while now.

at 5:32 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

I'm going to leak tonight's starting lineup a little early.

Corey Patterson cf
Jerry Hairston ss
Ken Griffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Edwin Scissorhands 3b
Joey Votto 1b
Paul Bako c

Matt Belisle p

at 5:45 PM Blogger reddoghemy said...

Are you serious David Weathers? You have no gas left in the tank, you walk batters left and right and you get shelled every night. Just when I thought LaRue was my all-time worthless Red's player, Weather's passes him down the stretch! WAKE UP BAKER!!!!

at 5:54 PM Blogger T-Mac said...

I'd "burn" Cordero in a tie ballgame on the road in the ninth every time over Weathers.

Call me "foolish" but I think your chances of trying to get the win in extra innings by burning Cordero is slightly better, no?

To burn or not to burn . . . that is the burning question.

at 5:56 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...


On the money,

Of course this isnt the lineup you or anyone else wants.

at 5:56 PM Blogger wanderinredsfan said...

Saw the video, and it sure doesn't seem like much of a stumble. I take mis-steps like that almost every day. Plus, to imply it was late seems very moronic. There is no way to tell how late it was. It could have easily been 9:00 Pacific Time. Pretty lame to bring this up as anything worth discussing. How about discussing the matter at hand...the Dodgers. I hope to see Belisle get on a roll, and if not, then he might be part of a trade pretty soon. I think a package of Belisle, Coffey, and Hatteberg might bring in a nice catcher or CF prospect. Heck, we have a lot of folks on the roster that need a fresh start somewhere else, and we need a couple of fresh bodies up the middle.

at 5:56 PM Blogger Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

i certainly agree zippy...my only guess is the catching the minors is so subpar they're afraid to let one of the three they have go in case of injury, none have optios and they'd all get claimed if DFA'd...no question andy phillips could help this club much more than javy valentin's mustache

at 6:00 PM Blogger Joe said...

AnotherLS: Why isn't Janish in the line-up?

Why, why...Dusty Baker would do a better job making out a line-up!


at 6:06 PM Blogger Joe said...

Zippy: I have no answer.

Valentin appears to me to be DH. An AL team that needed a back-up catcher who could also play a little first base woudl do well with Valentin. Maybge he has been shopped around the AL and it is just going to take a team with the right need.

at 6:41 PM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

"There is no way to tell how late it was. It could have easily been 9:00 Pacific Time."

The video was posted today, if it was some other time than last night, why is it just surfacing now?
Reds are in LA now, coincidence? I dont think so.

9:00pm Pacific would have been about the fourth or fifth inning last night, and we all know where he was.

Game was over after 1:00am eastern.

Shower, change clothes: 30 min?
Ride to steak house: 30 min?
Dinner: hour and a half?

Adds up to about 3:30am Cincy time
(which is what time his body is on)

All speculation of course, but this is the logic behind suggesting its a little late, and rest might not be a bad idea for a guy thats looking a little tired in the field.

at 10:36 PM Blogger Hugh D. Pohl said...

Kevin, fellow Floridian. Don't let this blog get to you! This Griffey video is nothing. You used to seem pretty level-headed but I swear you are starting to sound so negative. Some of the other folks on here sound like a pack of jackals when things don't go well. Oops- Jackals- no pun intended but if the shoe fits...

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