Nationals 7, Reds 2
Bronson Arroyo's two shortest outing as a big leaguer are against the Washington Nationals. He went 1 2/3 innings Wednesday and gave up seven runs. He went two innings May 11 and gave up six runs.
"It's like they know what's coming," he said.
The Reds have lost four in a row. They've scored a total of six runs in the four games.
"You can juggle the lineup,” manager Pete Mackanin said. “You can have meetings. I don’t think anything drastic needs to be done. We’re not scoring runs. That’s our biggest problem.”
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It was pretty easy to tell what was coming from my couch also - either an 88 m.p.h fastball right down broadway, or a hanging curve ball.
I would have rather seen him have a poor outinf like that as a Brave.
Arroyo had just about convinced me he was a better pitcher than I had given him credit for. Turns out, he's TRULY a mediocre pitcher who just happened to have a few great streaks for the Reds--enough to fool us into thinking we had two aces. At least Harang is the "real deal." Why the Reds didn't spend their first 10 draft picks on PITCHING is still a mystery to me, given the fact that apart from Bailey, there's really no one in the minors who is looking like a "can't miss" front-line starter--not in the next 3 years.
I still believe in Livingston's ability to become a consistently reliable 4th or 5th starter (not an ace) but now it appears that until Krivsky and Castellcheapi are OUT OF HERE, we Reds fans are going to have to suffer with a horrible collection of pitchers and MANY more years of finishing below .500. Not one of our young pitchers looks remotely as talented as Parra or Gallardo of the Brewers. The Reds OBVIOUSLY are BEYOND INCOMPETENT when it comes to pitching talent development, and apart from Harang, acquisition. Krivsky and Bob get the blame. The buck stops high up, not on the field, with this issue!
The offense is better with Keppinger here, Cantu and Bruce and Votto waiting in the wings, but if this team's pitching "talent" is Bob the Baseball genius's idea of "competitive" then he doesn't deserve to be the majority owner of the Reds, and I hope he becomes honest (with himself and with us) very soon, comes out and admits he doesn't know what he's doing, and puts his shares up for sale.
The sooner the better. Go back to the Produce biz, PLEASE!!! Major League Baseball team ownership is not for you!
I have the good news.. Most would now agree that Pete Makanin is not this great savior and hopefully we will get a first class guy at the end of the season.
Yet, I blame Krivsky entirely. This team has been playing bad since late May of last year. Same issues...poor hitting and pitching. players playing without emotion..
Krivsky, did absolutely nothing to improve this team in the offseason or change the chemistry
Sadly... because I enjoy going to GAB...this team is pathetic
How can Mackanin say that the biggest problem is they are not scoring runs right after your starting pitcher gives up seven runs in less than two innings of work? It would have taken eight runs to win last night.
Hey John, any idea how much Torii Hunter might command on the free agent market? I'm wondering what the difference in signing him would be compared to picking up Dunn's $13 million option.
I'm a little confused as to how one of the worst teams in baseball can hit Arroyo like a drunk softball pitcher. This season is so depressing...
This is a discouraging series.
But Justin -- even by your estimation -- with Harang as an Ace, Livingston as a 4 or 5, and Arroyo as a 3 or 4, how are the Reds really in terrible shape for starting pitching in the near future? Some still think Belisle can be a good back of the rotation guy, and Homer is still on the horizon. So at most, we need to get one good one.
I tend to think that Arroyo's 14 or so quality starts this year speak more to his ability than the downturns after he is left out on the mound too long. [His stats suggest he should be on a 100-110 pitch limit.]
Well we have Dumatrait starting tonight, so we can see if there is another quality pitching talent from triple-A. Dumatrait was the guy Vern Ruhle had the most hope for; he was the one that Ruhle expected to be the best big-league pitcher. And as for Saturday, if Harang isn't ready, call up Cueto for a spot start, just to see where he is at. It's not like another loss would hurt, but if it comes out the other way, then we may have struck gold.
John...Is Krivsy the G.M. also Krivsky the Mgr.? It seems that the 'interim' doesn't have any input in personnel moves being made. He can only say that "I don't know, I just play the names they give me." My personal thought is that the G.M. needs to supply the players based strongly on input from the pros, then get out of the way. Another interesting but irritating occurence that seems to be heppening with more frequency is the directionless way that Krivsky the G.M. has with player moves. I am waiting for the next well thought out event to take place, which I am sure will be sending Bellhorn back to the Bats, and (be still my heart) calling Moeller back to the Reds. What keen excitement it is to be a REDS fan!
Have to agree with Justin with this one. I'm not going to argue with the fact that once in a while, Arroyo can put together a string of above average starts and his previous six before last night's cluster---- were decent. I wanted to blame this slide on his overpitching earlier in the season, but you know, big league pitchers get paid to condition themselves for the long haul. If they don't, they can turn into a flamethrower closer and go for the saves. Arroyo is **appearing** to be the product of being on a special Red Sox team combined with the surprise of being an ex-AL pitcher now in the NL. Well...people can hit him now. They've timed the high kick and his once sick curve and breaking balls aren't moving as much as before.
Remind me again on how long-term guaranteed contracts just destroy small and mid-market teams??? If they don't perform, we're stuck. Maybe the NFL is right...
On the other hand, I just wish Harang got some kind of RESPECT from the rest of baseball. Think of the Nolan Ryans, Steve Carltons, and recently the Dontrelle Willis' - great pitchers saddled with losing teams. C'mon, give Harang a Cy Young vote or two!
Arroyo with 12 losses. It's hard to believe our #2 starter could have 20 losses at the end of the season.
One other question - what's with the whole "Leatherpants" thing?
cueto pitched last night
How many times did he miss the win because of BAD defense and BAD offense and BAD bullpen? John, I'm sick of these fans take it out on our players. A worthless person is a cry baby like them.
This really makes no sense. Why are there so many good prospects that appear to be major league ready sitting at Triple A, yet this team is still trotting out the same old (key word old as in age and tenure) losers.
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