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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2007

Jocketty out

This could have implications in Redsland:

Walt Jocketty is out as Cardinals general manager.

I'd be surprised if Jocketty comes to Cincinnati as GM. But I think this will lessen the chances of Tony LaRussa returning to St. Louis.


31 Comments:

at 5:43 PM Blogger steve said...

John
I will tell you the same thing Teams can't win when they fire there whole front office every two or three years and also there managers. Look at the Rockies and where they are now they kept there front office together and there manager. If this keeps up they wont win again for a long time!!!

 
at 6:06 PM Anonymous Andy said...

"This could have implications in Redsland."

Let's hope not, unless those implications are that St. Louis is entering a post-championship rebuilding phase (meaning they'll be terrible for a few years).

 
at 6:20 PM Blogger linuxguy said...

Krivsky's gotta be puckering now. Hopefully Bob will get rid of Krivsky and bring Jokerty in, we can only hope. Maybe this is why Krivsky has been so vague and no moves had been made. Bob is great friend of Jokerty, I really hope this means something. I'm sick and tired of the condescending way Krivsky speaks to anyone who asks any questions that might slightly be against what he has in mind.

 
at 6:40 PM Anonymous Matt said...

John, is it possible that the Reds may get Jocketty and not LaRussa, or vice versa? Or are they a package deal only?

 
at 6:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before we get Krivsky's packing crate ready, there's something we should pay attention to, no matter how remote the chances are.
Johan Santana has let the Twins know that, if the deal is right, he will waive his no-trade clause. It is said that he would only go to a contender. But correct me if I'm wrong, he had a good working relationship with Krivsky. Krivsky was in charge of contract negotiations while with the Twins and he signed Santana to his current deal. If----IF----the Reds get the right manager, whoever that may be (not Mackanin, not Davey Johnson, not Dusty Baker), Santana may be willing to come to the Reds.
The Twins are known to need a thirdbaseman. Encarnacion is probably at his highest trade value right now----still not quite arbitration eligible, several years away from free agency money and evryone is just waiting for his real breakout year. Encarnacion could easily be the highlight of a package the Twins might be interested in. Maybe throw in Coffey and a couple mid-level prospects.
It may be a slim chance, but didn't Clint Hurdle say something the other day about chances being slim and none, so he chose slim?

 
at 6:59 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Don't know if they're package deal or not. I could see Jocketty taking some sort of consulting job -- less pressure.

 
at 7:59 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John:

Does MLB have any restrictions against teams naming a new manager or GM while the playoffs or World Series are underway? Perhaps such announcements can only be made on off-days? Just trying to determine how often I should be refreshing your blog. :-)

Thanks.

 
at 8:00 PM Blogger Taylor said...

With all the firings throughout the organization (minor league managers, coaches, scouting directors) was this Wayne putting his fingerprint on the organization or was there pressure from within to let these guys go or else Krivsky was getting the boot?

In other sports, coaches are often given the choice either resign or get rid of your staff in order to return.

Is this the case for the Reds?

 
at 8:36 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, for the Twins to even pick up the phone the deal for Santana would have to include either Bruce or Bailey, in addition to EE and couple other prospects.

 
at 10:23 PM Anonymous Mike said...

John,

What are the chances that Jocketty might replace John Allen? Perhaps after 13 years as GM Jocketty would be interested in a different role and Krivsky could wind up reporting to Jocketty.

 
at 11:13 PM Blogger Marie830 said...

I agree with Mike, I have a feeling that Walt will be coming to the Reds as a "Presisdent" of the team, or some higher title than GM. Wayne stays as GM, but Walt will be his boss.
Wayne does more of the grunt work, which he seems to excell at, while Walt deals with the overall direction and philosophy of the team.
I think Walt might like to be in a less high pressure situation than GM for a bit, especially after this last year in St.Louis.
If this happens, I see LaRussa coming to the Reds with his coaching staff.
Just a feeling,but I'm usually wrong.

 
at 11:39 PM Anonymous MONEY MIKE said...

I mean Krivsky hasnt been our savior as of yet, but why the big beef with the big K on here? I kind of like that comment that said an office that stays together wins together. Like I said about Pete on a different blog, let Krivsky prove us wrong. Yeah I know I just set myself up for everyone to say he already has, so maybe I just stole your thunder there, but give the man some time.

 
at 6:48 AM Blogger John Fay said...

Allen's job is not a baseball job, so I don't see Jocketty replacing him.

 
at 7:48 AM Blogger Al in Ohio said...

Oh, good Lord. How delusional do you have to be to start thinking of scenarios where Johan Santana will be coming to Cincinnati? As someone else posted, the Reds would have to send the Twins virtually everyone they have who is young and has quality/potential (Bailey, Votto, Bruce, Encarnacion, any combo of the above). Then, after one year, Santana will leave for New York, Boston, LA, or Chicago, because there's no way the Reds will give him the $20-25 million a year he will command. Where do people come up with this stuff?

 
at 8:06 AM Blogger Al in Ohio said...

I can think of two other plausible scenarios to improve the Reds.

First, after Jocketty and LaRussa take over in Cincinnati (ahem), we trade A-Gon, Mike Stanton, and the Dayton Dragons mascot, Heater, to St. Louis for Albert Pujols. Yeah, they'll take that deal.

Then, if the Yankees re-sign A-Rod if he options out of his contract, we can trade EE, Todd Coffey, two Pete Rose-autographed baseballs, and the memories of the mid-70s Big Red Machine to New York for A-Rod.

Just think of it!! We might have Pujols and A-Rod at the infield corners next year! I smell a World Series!

 
at 9:15 AM Blogger Champ Summers said...

I'm with Al. What's with you people?

 
at 10:08 AM Anonymous Chris A. said...

John,

You mentioned that you think Jocketty will want a lower-pressure job. I'm sure any MLB GM position is pretty tough, but wouldn't the Reds (and their fairly low expectations) be much less of a pressure-cooker than Cardinal Nation was?

 
at 10:35 AM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Al's snarkiness is hilarious.

Jocketty as team president is an interesting idea. Very interesting. Maybe John Allen should be the one looking over his shoulder, not Krivsky.

Thing is, as Fay points out, Allen's job as team president is strictly from the business side. So what?

Andy MacPhail, next commissioner of Major League Baseball, was team president of the Cubs, oversaw the baseball ops and the business side. He's doing the same in Baltimore.

You simply have a VP who steps up to handle more of the day-to-day business stuff.

But people keep saying Jocketty to Seattle. . . .

 
at 1:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do so many people shoot down the idea of Johan Santana to the Reds? What is wrong with aiming high instead of settling for mediocrity. I have no idea how many players it will take, but Encarnacion & Hamilton is a pretty good place to start. The Reds have enough depth to trade them. And I wouldn't make the deal unless Santana agrees to a long tern contract. Milton is off the books this year, by 2009 Junior is off the books. Season tickets sales would soar if they could make that trade. It could be done financially. The Reds would be back in the big leagues.

John Burroughs
Hyde Park

 
at 2:13 PM Blogger Brad said...

Why do so many people shoot down the idea of Johan Santana to the Reds?

Because so many people are realistic.

 
at 2:34 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

It might not be as far-fetched as you think. Just for the sake of argument, we offer the Twins EE, Josh Hamilton, and a mid-level pitching prospect. Torii Hunter is a free agent. Based on the discussions I've read, the Twins don't feel they can afford to sign him. Their everyday third baseman hit .210. Hamilton and EE would fit into their lineup quite nicely.

Even if we had to send them Homer Bailey, it might still be a good deal. If we could sign Santana to a long-term deal, he could win us 100 more games ove 6 years.

It all depends on what the Twins believe ther ability to sign Santana, I think.

 
at 4:21 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I the only one here who thinks that Krivky has done a pretty outstanding job and, with a pitcher or two, has this team on its way to success?? Meanwhile, who the heck wants LaRussa? I'm not saying Mack. is my dream manager (I'd rather get Girardi et al) but Id rather keep who we have than get LaRussa. He has been bad news for years in his clubhouses and has used his reputation to allow him to only take jobs that have alot of talen on the field (thus helping him continue to look good). But does anyone honestly feel the A's of the late 80s or the Cardinals of the last decade ever achieved anywhere near their FULL potential?

 
at 4:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you're pretty much the only one who thinks Krivsky is worth spit.

Gotta love Matsui just taking Lohse deep for a grand slam.

I can't wait until the Reds dump Krivsky. He has made several great moves and several crappy moves. He's just not the guy we need in Cincy to build a championship team. We're a long way away--not just 1 or 2 pitchers. Try 6-7 pitchers away.

How Krivsky decides to solve the GRIFFEY and DUNN issues might ultimately make or break him.

He screwed up by not bringing Votto and Jay Bruce and Keppinger up when the Reds got down by 10 games in June....and the Reds' draft this year was a joke. SS and C are simply not critical problem areas. SP and RP are!

So Krivsky hasn't produced results and he hasn't shown many of the intangibles that great GMs possess.

 
at 11:38 PM Anonymous Trev said...

A catcher who can hit lefties in addition to throwing out runners and calling a game is the PRIMARY need for the Reds. They were futile against mediocre LHs last year, a few hits from the catching position would have made a huge difference. They must trade for that catcher because they have none near ready in the minors. The relief pitching will be better simply by subtracting Majewski, Saarloos, Stanton & others. The starting rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Belisle (following the same track that Harang did a couple years ago), Bailey (he may be the ace by October 2008) and Maloney will be solid!

 
at 8:43 AM Anonymous mikec said...

John, I see you worded it you don't see Jocketty being named Reds GM. Think he could end up as something like Director of Baseball operations above Krivsky with Krivsky staying on as GM?

 
at 9:45 AM Anonymous Chuck said...

Yea, we'd probably be better off without Krivsky....I can't see what value Hamilton, Keppinger, Phillips, Hatteberg, Arroyo and Burton bring.

Especially since to get all those players we had to give up...Russ Haltiwanger, Jeff Stevens and Wili Mo Pena.

Bring back Dan O'Brien

 
at 10:41 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

A couple of thoughts come to mind: 1) Most media outlets are speclating Joketty & LaRussa to Seattle. I've never heard of them coming to the Reds outside of Cincinnati.

2) To the extent that the new manager is Krivsky's call, I wonder if he will try to speed up the process to head off a possible package deal that costs him his job? Getting his own guy in place quickly coud be job security, if there's any chance at all of them coming here (which I doubt).

 
at 12:38 PM Blogger Mark T said...

We have a good GM and he's getting better all the time, learning from his mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if he landed a pitcher or two this winter. He's a bird in the hand.

 
at 1:28 PM Anonymous MONEY MIKE said...

I sure hope that is sarcasm from Chuck.

 
at 1:32 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The manager, I think, is Castellini's call. Krivsky only has a year left on his contract.

 
at 2:18 PM Blogger Scott said...

I, too, think Krivsky's done a decent job. Phillips, Hamilton, Burton, EE, Keppinger and prospects Votto, Bruce and Bailey have the team poised to be solid in the future. And should the Reds need to make a trade they have the depth to get it done. I don't think the Reds need to trade for a Santana....having said that, if that worked out...AWESOME. However, Harang is a #1 and would be for a large percentage of the teams in baseball. Arroyo's been the recipient of poor run support...his record and ERA could be better, agreed, but he's consistently over 200 innings/year. He'd be better in the 3 spot maybe. I believe Belisle will continue to get better as will Bailey. The Reds need to shore up the bottom of the rotation and the bullpen more than anything else. There's a 10 to 15 game swing if the bullpen is better this past season. I really believe the Reds are a couple of solid 'pen pitchers away....that and never letting Coffey on the hump again.

 
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