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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Thursday, December 20, 2007

A Bedard update

I did some checking on the Erik Bedard front today. It's sounds like nothing has changed -- the Orioles want Jay Bruce; the Reds aren't going to give him up. That is not to say the deal is dead. The Reds are hopeful as the field narrows that they'll be able to work something out.

The Mariners, despite agreeing to a deal with Carlos Silva, are still interested in Bedard.

The Reds are also looking at pitchers other than Bedard. I don't have specifics. But Oakland's Joe Blanton may not be Plan B.

And to get you in that holiday spirit, from the Reds:

TODAY’S NEWS: Mr. Redlegs will make an appearance at the Freestore/Foodbank’s annual Christmas toy distribution party tomorrow (Friday, December 21) from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. at Liberty and Walnut Streets in Over The Rhine...the Reds Hall of Fame and Museum has donated 500 baseballs for the children and their parents.

That's Mr. Redlegs, the mascot, not the guy who posts on this blog, I would assume.


at 4:40 PM Anonymous Doug said...

With Hamilton being delt for two pitchers who does that make eligable for the center field position?

at 4:46 PM Blogger John Fay said...

If Hamilton were to go, Freel, Hopper and Bruce would be in the center field mix. My guess is Bruce starts the year at Triple A.

at 4:56 PM Blogger Ryan said...

How is Bruce's range? Is he capable of playing in center? I'm not quite sure which position he started most at in the minors, but the last thing we need is another slow outfielder, especially one playing in center.

at 5:06 PM Blogger DC13HOF said...

Are there any quotes from Orioles Management saying they won't make the deal if Jay Bruce isn't included? I haven't seen any and am wondering if this is just rumor and speculation.

at 5:29 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The Orioles can't comment publicly on Bruce and the Reds can't comment on the Bedard. Talking about another teams players is tampering. This is not rumor or speculation. People with the Reds have told me -- not for attribution -- that Orioles want Bruce, but the Reds aren't going to give him up.

at 5:37 PM Blogger Bo Diaz and the Satellites said...

Huh? What two pitchers is Hamilton being dealt for?

at 5:38 PM OpenID xxsilverreignxx said...

If it is Bruce that the O's demand, what would be the rest of the package? I've heard a Bailey/Votto or Cueto/Votto, that's a lot but Bedard is the man.

at 5:44 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...


At this point, if you're Krivsky, do you trade Bruce? What is your opinion? could the Reds get Bedard + an minor leaguer for him? What's his value in your estimation?

at 5:50 PM Blogger John Fay said...

I don't trade Bruce for Bedard. I think there's chance they'll be able to get him without giving up Bruce.

at 6:06 PM Anonymous RedLegJohn said...

IMO, why would you trade your top prospects when you're in the weak NL Central/National League. I dont know, but like Marty said on the hot stove report, maybe Homer or Johnny Cueto might catch lightning in a bottle....

I, like John Fay, would not trade Bruce for Bedard. What does Red Nation think about that?

at 6:35 PM Anonymous Fred Red said...


What do you think about Nate Robertson from the Tigers. I think he would be an excellent fit for the reds as a 3rd guy in the rotation. I don't think it would take that much to get him either because his contract is up soon. Do you think this is a good idea and what do u think it would take to get him?

at 6:36 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

I would like to confirm, unequivocally, that Mr. Redlegs, the mascot, is indeed making the appearance at the toy distribution because Mr. Redlegs, the writer, was denied an appearance fee of Montgomery Inn ribs. It's not just the kids who suffer, ya know.

at 6:39 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

One thing that doesn't get mentioned in the Bedard talks is the Orioles are not desperate to trade him. He's locked up for two more years at a very good salary and unless he gets hurt his market isn't going down.

So if the Reds or anyone else isn't willing to pay the price now, why trade him? The teams needing pitching are a lot more panicky than the Orioles, who aren't going anywhere so what's the hurry to make a deal?

Bedard will still have value at the trade deadline in July. In fact, he might have bigger value.

at 6:50 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey John-

I read a Seattle Times rumor that said the Orioles have backed off their demands of Adam Jones in a Mariner's package for Bedard. Does this give Reds fans hope they will back off of Jay Bruce too? I don't see how they (O's) require Bruce in any deal with the Reds but not require a specific player from other teams.

at 7:03 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

It would seem, based on the silence of Bedard talk, that it's likely and very, very advisable that the Reds have shifted direction for acquiring pitching to guys who aren't as high profile or will cost so much in player outlay.

Certainly, guys like Robertson are worth considering (although his splits aren't conducive to GABP). I've been hoping for a week now that one of the three papers would do some deep MLB roster analyses and come up with viable pitching targets aside from the fantasy league glamour boys.

Not the Willises, Lincecums or Blantons, but the guys who are already No. 3 and 4 starters. Focus on lefties and look at their walks, home runs allowed and groundball/flyball ratios.

In other words, the anti-Miltons.

Who's got suggestions?

at 7:21 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I strikes me that Eric Bedard could put the Reds near the top of the Central. The Cards are in shambles, the Cubs are not all together and the astros still have problems. The Reds will score runs and with a vastly improved rotation and bullpen they could easily contend for the Division and the pennant. The Reds have outfielders. I wonder if they send Bruce could they protect the young pitchers. Pitching is the key to making the Reds winners again.

at 8:32 PM Blogger Dave from Louisville said...

How lucky is this organization that the Guilen/Harang and Pena/Arroyo trades paid off????? We made those trades because we had such an excess of OFs and if we didn't I am sure we would still be rehabbing Paul Wilson as our #1.

Why not create a package around positions of excess on the MLB roster and top prospects in the low minor league system, ala Dan Haren?.....even if it includes Bruce.

Currently if we keep Bruce, I don't see him getting many ABs next year given the current depth. And don't start that "When Griffey gets hurt crap" because he played 144 games last year with more ABs than Dunn. Trade from a position of excess for a position of weakness.

How many more years do we need to go into camp with 4 or 5 OFs that can start on any team in baseball?

Why is trading Bailey better than trading Bruce?

Think about it.

at 8:40 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The interesting substory is the previous relationships of McPhail (Baltimore) & Krivsky & Baker. Krivsky was part of the Twins organization when McPhail was in charge there. Baker was part of the Cubs regime when he was in charge.

Since McPhail resigned with the Cubs, after Baker failed with his team, will McPhail want to allow his protege, Krivsky, get the best of him with the Bedard deal to help Dusty win ?

at 9:50 PM Blogger Aaron in SC said...

I think Bruce is a great prospect and the reds have to be cautions becuase they are a small market team. However, Bedard is a proven ML Pitcher (IMO, CY Young candidate in the NL) and will win you a lot more games than Bruce. I hate to see Bruce end up being another Austin Kearns as someone who is supposed to be a cornerstone of the franchise when Bedard is young and already proven. We need pitching and Dusty knows that. Not to mention, Krivsky is in the final year of his contract, so he is starting to feel the heat from Mr. C.

at 9:58 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

How about Noah Lowry Mr. Redlegs?
I agree that right now the price is just too high for pitching. Make the deal in June for need.

at 10:12 PM Anonymous firefly118 said...

Let me revive this commentary! Why are we waiting on Bruce??? He could possibly be everything we expect, and we still would not be a playoff team. You will never win a pennant without pitching, no matter how many great players you have. Besides, we don't need another player who is really talented when he hits the ball, that is when he HITS the ball. It may travel 430 feet 40 times a year, but if you strike out 100+ times and your on base % is low, we don't win. The Reds will never be the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, etc. we can not afford to have power hitters who don't know how to shorten their swing and get on base or know how to bunt, those teams can afford players like that, we can't. We need high average, basic fundamental players who are willing to bat 1st, 5th, or last in the lineup and do what they are asked. AND, we need solid pitching, that is how we have won in the past, and it is the only way we will win now. Trade the big talent, big hitting PROSPECTS and get solid pitchers, and put a high fielding, high average team on the field, if not, we are destined to be the Bengals of MLB, always saying "wait till next year" and it never comes...

at 10:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

A scenario worth thinking about...

Reds starting lineup for 2009 (if none of the big 3-4 prospects were traded):
1b Votto
2b Phillips
SS ?
3b Encarnacion
C ?
RF Hamilton
C Bruce
LF Dunn

Sp1 Harang
SP2 Arroyo
SP3 Bailey
SP4 Cueto
SP5 ?

Closer: Cordero
set up:Burton

Good something worth thinking about the holes the Reds will have in 2 seasons from now. Trading Bailey still leaves a hole in the rotation Belisle might/should not fill. What about SS and C? Do playoff and World Series winners have these kind of holes in their lineups? The Reds might compete to win the NL by trading for Benard but could they beat the Red Sox?


at 10:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your not going to find many teams that are going to give up left handers.

To address redlegjohn,I truly believe that the Reds are going to roll with what they have. If they are going to trade for pitching its going to take a hit on the farm system. Is it worth the risk? I don't think it is.

I completely understand how some want us to get Bedard in the worse way. Its been a brutal stretch going down to games late in the year with a whole bunch of nothing on the line. It was even harder to take with the Cubs and their gang of fans overtaking G.A.B. on the last weekend.

So I am entrusting the new owners to figure out how to get the Reds back on track for the long haul. Not just a year or two of winning baseball,but consist baseball year in and year out

at 10:40 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

John, any truth to the rumor that Buehrle of the white sox might be a potential target for the Reds now? Seems odd given the fact he was just resigned but I believe Arroyo was resigned just prior to the Reds trading for him.

at 11:58 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know, after what's it been? A month or so? Maybe Bedard just isn't worth it. Maybe Krivsky should just go look elsewhere or wait for someone to come crawling to him. Hey, at this point I'd even be willing to listen to what Kyle Lohse has to say. No one's beating down his door

at 12:51 AM OpenID schaubby921 said...


Why would we not trade a package with Jay Bruce for Erik Bedard? Bedard is a proven pitcher, lefthander, and also has put up dominant numbers numbers pitching in the AL EAST. I'm sick of hearing all of this talk about prospects and how Bruce is untouchable. Look at Homer Bailey. Last year people were comparing him to God. Now, after 9 starts in 07 its like he is failure. It's honestly a joke. All prospect talk is ridiculous. I've been waiting to make the playoffs since 1995, and this is the best oppurtunity I have seen in years. The plan was to make the Reds a winner when we moved in to GABP. I'm still waiting. Honestly if we give up Bruce and he turns out to be a
"5 tool" caliber player who really cares? Outfielders are a dime a dozen. I know he was the minor league player of the year. I've heard of his "potential". I say ship him to Baltimore. Winning cures everything and winning now is the only thing that matters.

Another point on why we need to get Bedard. We sign a closer for 46 million dollars, and bring in a big name manager. It does not make sense to invest this big time money, and have Bobby Livingston and Matt Belisie round out our rotation.

Imagine a Bedard, Harang, Arroyo combination? Those 3 pitchers gives us a shot to win 90 percent of the time they go out and pitch. Name one rotation in the Central that could compete with that.

The future is now. Give up Bruce and Bailey and another prospect. Keep Hamilton and Votto and you have got a recipe for 08 success.

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

at 5:17 AM Blogger maus said...

I'd give up Bruce and Votto (OR Hamilton if I had to) for Bedard in a second! I'd even give them Matt Maloney if it meant keeping both Cueto AND Bailey. What a rotation that would be! Cueto and Bailey would be given time to mature without the presure of the top of the rotation. They would then be ready if Bedard can't be extended.

Something other people haven't mentioned.....winning baseball makes players (free agents) more likely to want to come to (or stay in) Cincy -- especially if the players see that management is taking action to win and not sitting on their hands hoping that this or that prospect works out. I guarentee you that Boston can sign the same free agent for less than Kansas City.

at 7:25 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I keep hearing how great of a rotation we would have w/ Harang Bedard and Aroyo plus Belise and maybe Prior. That to me is a Joke if you deal Bruce and Votto, not to mention Bailey or Cueto. I say send them Aroyo and Hamilton and Freel and Encarnacion if you have to but don't deal Bruce or Bailey or Cueto. If nothing else let it all ride another year when Cueto Bailey Harang amd Aroyo can all pitch together and your ready to play Bruce and Votto both. Give the young pitchers a chance to get their feet wet in 08 and win it in 09. The Central Division is such a weak division you still may make the playoffs wtih a young staff in 08.
Steve from Florence

at 8:38 AM Blogger Dave from Louisville said...

Webb, Haren, and Johnson..... I think that's pretty competitive.

at 9:18 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bats manager has seen both Griffey Jr and Bruce at the same stage of development. He says Bruce is every bit as good. Do you want to give up someone of Griffey's stature to win tomorrow? And that someone will probably walk in two years while Bruce just keeps on ticking? Not me.

at 9:20 AM Blogger David said...

firefly 118 said:

"You will never win a pennant without pitching, no matter how many great players you have."

Ah, you must be a young pup. Obviously weren't around in say, 1975 or 1976.

at 9:34 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really don't understand the willingness to somewhat improve the team for two years of Bedard.
Lets say Bedard wins 20 games each year, about the very best any pitcher can do in GAP. I would think that Bailey would win 20 over the next two seasons and Cueto 15 assuming he comes up at the alstar break.Is it worth trading away the future for 5 more wins over two years? Our talent will be gone along with Bedard if this trade is made. Why would the Reds ever consider a trade where we trade potential good pitchers? This trade only makes sense if you have a legitimate chance yo win the world series. This trade does not make that happen. Please just be a little bitmore patient. Had our general manager not got Phillips, Hamilton, Aroryo and Burton for free; we would not have any hope at this time. Just be more patient. Griffey will be off the payroll and Dunn's future decided in the next year. By 2009 the general manager may pull more rabbits out of his hat. I can wait while the yooth takes their lumps in 2008. Who knows they may surprise us.

at 9:47 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trade Bruce. We have no idea whether he's going to turn out like Junior or (more likely, given the odds) like Nick Esasky.

Take the bird in the hand. We've got way too many outfielders anyway, and no one's biting on Hamilton/Votto.

Git 'er done, Wayne.

at 10:20 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Giving up Bruce is not giving up some dime-a-dozen outfielder. If we can't get Bedard then the kids will have to step up. We're more than 1 starter away from the playoffs. Realistically, we're trading, drafting, and training for a playoff run in 2010 or so...doubtfully before.

So there's zero reason to throw away Bruce on ANY pitcher.

at 10:45 AM Blogger maus said...

I was a big proponent of waiting until 2009 until Wayne pulled the trigger on Cordero. Again, it's all about timing. Codero, Aroryo and Harrang will be on the down side of their careers with 1 year left on tehir contracts by 2010. Bruce could very well be Larry Walker and Votto could be Sean Casey. I would trade Larry and Sean for Bedard (2nd best lefty in MLB right now) in a second (saving Cueto and Bailey). Create the winning attitude for a couple of years -- see if it buys you a Bedard extension or other free agents who want to come here.

And what if Bruce and Joey don't acheive their potential. We win big time. Insurance companies and beer distributorships are littered with the Larsons of the world.

Lastly, look what teams are in the leverage position this (and the last 2) offseasons -- it's teams with pitching! Bruce and Joey may be great but there were at least 3 or 4 very good outfielders on the free agent market this year. How many very good pitchers -- we might have already gotten the only one. TRADE HITTERS NOT PITCHERS.

at 10:45 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The goal should be to do what it takes to win the World series not the NL central or the NL pennant.

The question is whether trading Bruce and Bailey for Bedard gets the Reds the chance to win a world series. I would say the Reds would be better off seeing what happens with the kids just like the Braves of old and the Tigers of today did. Make this trade mid year or next year. The Reds are not one pitcher away from beating the top 4 AL teams.


at 10:52 AM Anonymous The Pharmacist said...

David said:

"Ah, you must be a young pup. Obviously weren't around in say, 1975 or 1976."

The game has changed drastically since then.... Middle infielders now hit 40-50 HRs a year and nobody even notices. Pitching is what the team needs- if it was my call, I'd go for Bedard. If Bruce turns out to be a superstar, at least we'll have something to complain about for the next decade or so.

at 11:28 AM Anonymous firefly118 said...

Your right, I am a young pup, or at least I tell myself that. I was 2 in 1975, but I do know alot about the team. You do have a point, the position players did carry us, but lets be honest about it, you are talking about a lineup of all stars basically. They were the exception and not the rule, and it lasted a few years and wasn't a dynasty. Most of the players were not our prospects, they came here through other avenues (help me out because I am not 100% sure on the #). So, I do give you that, but you must agree that it has been only the 75' and 76' and 90' teams (good pitching 90') that were the exceptions and the other years were the rule. I just think we will never compete unless we are strong at the pitchers spot first.

at 11:40 AM Anonymous redfuture said...

Keep our Fab Four rookies and there are more coming behind them. The Reds are about to enter a golden age of baseball. But its a lot like hitting a changeup you have to wait on the ball to get to you before you swing. If you lunge after the ball you're just going to come up with a bunch of air. The thing that makes a changeup effective is pitch fastballs the majority of the time. We fans have been seeing fastballs thrown at us for the last seven years, that is the majority of the time we see a tiny trickle of talent coming on the seen. We have to recognize the 2008 season as a changeup with four super talents arriving simultaneously. We can hit a homerun on this pitch if we just recognize in time.

at 12:22 PM Blogger Brad said...

Its interesting. It seems the more common sentiment among fans now is to try and get Bedard without giving up Bruce, Bailey, or Cueto...and if we can't do that, then look elsewhere. about 2-3 weeks ago, you heard more of the "trade for Bedard at all costs" kind of posts.

Is it that the people who are posting are different? or are the people posting changing their minds? I have a strong feeling that the Orioles gameplan is to make some high priced demands and see if there are any takers...if not, then keep Bedard and go on. I really hope we overpay because I can really see this team being something special in about a 2009/2010 with these young guys.

at 12:38 PM Anonymous tadd said...

Sounds like the Mariners are not willing to give up what the Orioles are asking for either.According to Ken Rosenthals story on the Silva signing.

at 12:42 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

I agree David. Everyone acts like you only need pitching to win. Yes it is important, but we were not the team with 4 Twenty game winners in 1970, however we did give up an outfielder for a pitcher. Can't remember the staff in 72, 75 & 76 Jack Billingham was "the horse" with Gullett and Nolan. and the 1990 pitching staff?
Rijo, Jackson, Browning, Armstrong. Really average pitchers but with a world class Nasty Boys bullpen. Oh yea, a world class bullpen in 75 and 76 too with Borbon, Carroll, Eastwick and McEnany.

Are we putting to much on a starter instead of sign Everyday Eddie?? Starters are way overpriced but look at our team. We have a bunch of players who can play multiple positions, and a number of relievers who can give an inning.

Give up the beauty of the 2:08 game on days when AH isn't pitching and get used to the 3:22's because we are going to have to play to our strength; flexible roster with a lot of pinch hitting

at 12:57 PM Anonymous Monroe said...

Jerry Crasnick on ESPN is reporting that the Orioles are looking for a "Herschel Walker type deal" for Bedard. Do you want to be on the other side of that kind of catastrophe? ... ask yourself how many more wins does Bedard get you over Bailey (assuming he's dealt in the deal), not to mention the loss of two of your best prospects. Is it still worth it to give up the farm?

at 1:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over the past two days I have seen some people asking questions about Bruce, Bailey, Cueto, etc... here is a link that lists the top 50 prospects in the minors and gives a short video clip of each explaining their value. Everyone out there posting, great comments, but like it or not, we made a splash with a closer, expect Wayne to make another move for at least a relatively big name starter, whether its a bigger name like Bedard/Blanton or relatively big name like SO MANY out there. Either way I am excited for the coming months to see it all play out. Go REDS!


at 1:34 PM Blogger Floyd said...

What does everyone think, should the Reds try to resign Eddie Guardado? It seems that all the focus at the moment is on a top starter ... which is good. But I think that the bullpen is still one quality reliever away from being pennant quality. With Bray as the only LH in the top six of the depth chart, I think that Guardado would be a nice reliever to retain.

at 3:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per Jerry Crasnick at ESPN:

Q:Greg(Los Angeles): Where do you see Bedard going? Also can you tell me anything about Adam Jones from Seattle? Would Baltimore fans be happy with the package Seattle is offering(Jones, Morrow)?

Jerry Crasnick: Greg,

A:We keep hearing Seattle and Cincinnati, so those seem like the most logical fits. Adam Jones is a very talented young outfielder who's considered Seattle's top prospect. If the Orioles could get Jones, Morrow and another decent young player, I think Andy MacPhail should jump at it. But one baseball guy told me the O's want a "Herschel Walker-type'' package for Bedard.

at 4:05 PM Blogger cincikid said...

It's funny how everyone says that we are higher on Bailey than any other team. Well, it appears that other teams (O's, Twins) are putting unrealistic value on their product too. O's, in my opinion, can afford to play the wait game for the right deal. I'm afraid that the Twins may be playing themselves into a corner. They need to take the Red Sox or Yankees deal and run. Santana can wake up tomorrow morning and say, "I don't feel like going anywhere this season. I'll probably dominate agian this season and hit the open market for more money." Twins need to sell, and sell now before they end up empty handed like the Nationals did with Soriano year before last.

at 4:30 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bruce and change for Bedard, no Bailey, no Cueto, no Votto. If that's 4-5 pieces of change so be it, I almost don't care who else goes.

at 5:01 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are you guys talking about, saying that we didn't have dominate pitching in 75 & 76? We were 3rd in the league in 75, and 5th in 75. And yes, the big Red Machine was a Dynasty. It started in 1970, and went on through 1979, winning their division 6 of those years.

Bring Bedard here now, and if you have to, you trade Bruce, Bailey, and Votto. That's the worse case scenario. If we do that, and Baker has the guts to play Keppinger all the time, as our 2 hole hitter, we will win the NL Pennant...Chris

at 5:14 PM Blogger Seb said...

Joey Votto is also to valubule to give up, he is like another Sean Casey (when he was with the reds) but also with power

at 5:18 PM Blogger KyRedsfan said...

I had the chance to watch Jay Bruce play several times in louisville this year. I'm no scout but he is the real deal.

I say go young with the pitching. I think a better bullpen gives you 15 more wins over last year. How many times did they blow a lead held after six innings. Keep Bailey, Cueto, Bruce, and Votto and play to win not just in 2008 but for the next decade.

at 5:25 PM Anonymous BigRedMachine said...

A couple weeks ago I was in the "trade for Bedard at all costs" camp, and I still think we should try to get him, but I'm starting to see what most Reds fans are saying. I mostly just went crazy over Bedard because I wanted to beat Mr. Redlegs in a debate (and I still have the last word in that exchange, incidententally.) I can see that it seems like you're trading away your future for a injury prone player who may walk after the year. But here is why it is still worth it. How are our prospects any less of question marks than Bedard? Bailey has already had injury problems and we have absolutely no idea how Bruce or Cueto will perform in the big leagues. Just because you're a top 50 prospect it doesn't mean you're bound to succeed in the majors. Anybody ever heard of OF Jeremy Reed, 2004 #2 prospect in baseball (batted .176 last year). Neither had I. What I'm trying to say is, we have no guarantee that our prospects will turn out and taking a risk on one of the established best pitchers in the MLB seems like a the wiser of the two risks to me.
I may be wrong, but if in a couple years our prospects fail to turn the team around and Bedard is still racking up Cy Young statistics we may wish we had been willing to give up Jay Bruce for the guy.
Lastly, I'm as psyched as anyone to watch these guys play in the big leagues and see what they can do, I just believe trading one or two of them is a worthwile sacrifice for the good of the team.

at 5:39 PM Anonymous tadd said...

The Reds traded Hamilton to the Rangers today for a hard throwing righty,and another pitcher.The guy had some pretty decent numbers in AAA it looks like. Anyone hear of this guy,or have some info on him?

at 6:38 PM Blogger HarryofFla said...

Anonymous at 9:34 AM...

While I'm not convinced that Bedard has established himself over a long enough period to merit the kind of packages that are being asked for him, your # of wins logic doesn't hold up.

You can't compare what two pitchers together (Bailey and Cueto) would add up to against what one pitcher would have by himself. The other rotation spot is going to be filled by SOMEBODY, who is going to come up with some wins of his own.

In fact, IF you could say that Bedard would win 20 games a year, then a trade that included Bailey might begin to make some sense. Just not Bailey AND Bruce...

at 10:02 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Be smart. Keep your young pitchers with cheap salaries and play for now and the future. We have 3 young and cheap stud starters and soem cheap impact players coming on too. For a small market team to win you have to have financial control of your talent. That means play them young and keep getting more of them. Giving all of them away for one person is a sure fire way to be mediocre.

Look at the Rockies when they had Neagle and Hampton. Nothing but paychecks. Now look at them!! Go reds don't give up the future for a couple more wins this year. Be smart and get better each year!!!

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