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Tuesday, December 18, 2007

Talking to Krivsky

I spoke with Wayne Krivsky this afternoon. He did not sound like a man on the verge of a deal.

"We don't have anything at this point," he said. "Today was a pretty quiet day."

The reason I asked is foxsports.com reports that Seattle is close to signing Carlos Silva. Seattle was considered one of the front-runners to land Erik Bedard.

"When somebody signs a free agent, it possibly takes them out of trying to trade for other players," Krivsky said. "But a team may sign someone and still try to trade."

In other words, Seattle may still be interested in Bedard. If the Mariners aren't and with the Dodgers out of the field, the Reds' chances would be considerably better.


at 7:12 PM Blogger Dan H said...

It seems when all is quiet with Krivsky,he makes a move (Cordero). Any more insight on the Cantu release? That moves still seems hard to figure out, right handed bat to platoon at first.

at 7:20 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey john have you heard if doc rodgers has gotten hired anywhere since he got fired with baltimore

at 7:27 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey john what are the chances of signing bartolo colon. he is looking for a low base salary with incentive. He would be a good #2 or 3 on the reds staff.

at 7:32 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

So in other words, the Mariners and Dodgers are being more aggressive than the Reds and their supposed "mandate" to land a starting pitcher this offseason.

at 7:43 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Doc's in town, selling real estate.

I don't know if the M's and Dodgers are being more aggressive. I'd rather have Bedard than who they got -- without giving up the farm, of course.

at 7:49 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

By more aggressive I mean the M's and Dodgers aren't waiting around for the Bedard deal to happen, they are shoring up areas as fall back positions and not waiting around. By the time a Bedard deal happens, and assuming the Reds don't get him, there will be far less free agent pitchers left to choose from. What about Livan Hernandez or Mark Prior? They both have pitched for Dusty before.

at 7:49 PM Blogger Scott in NC said...

Nobody should rush to judgement here - Jay Bruce may have a 98 mph fastball. Think of it. Bruce is a lefty. We have 5000 left-handed outfielders but not one good left-handed starter. So it only stands to reason that Bruce must be able to pitch, baby!!! Who need Bedard!!!

at 8:06 PM Blogger Don said...

Colon's ERA the past two years have been over 5.00...and nearly 6.50 this past season. He wouldn't be a number five on this staff.

John, why is there still this idea in the Reds camp that they can get a deal done with the O's? The Reds are dead set on not giving up Bruce and the O's seem dead set that he be involved in any deal. Seems to me there is nothing more to discuss between these two teams.

at 8:43 PM Blogger john said...

One sportswriter I read today stated that five good s'writers could have done a better job that the Mitchell investigators at much less than $20M. Baseball beat writers obviously should better understand "baseball culture" better than New York attorneys.

at 8:56 PM Anonymous Red Faced said...

So let me get this straight. The other two main players for a Bedard trade have basically gone elsewhere and even though the Reds say they won't budge on their offer and the Orioles won't budge on their asking price the two sides still appear to be talking?

Sounds to me like there's a deal about to go down if you don't mind me saying so. I just don't see why the Dodgers and M's would have made other moves and why you wouldn't be hearing other rumors concerning the Reds looking elsewhere. Looks like it will be a Merry Christmas for Reds fans this year!! I won't be surprised to hear it announced by week's end.

Better now than later when the loser of the Santana deal (Red Sox or Yanks) decide they want Bedard.

at 10:33 PM Blogger Dave from Louisville said...

Everyone needs to remember that the O's are dealing from a position fo strength. We shopped Dunn last summer, and but we didn't like the offers so we kept him. The O's are in the same spot.

at 11:51 PM Blogger NC Reds Fan said...

Hey John, what about Kris Benson. He just worked out in front of 25 scouts in az. Did the Reds have any one there. He aperantly did very well. He would be a good pick up for not too much money.

at 1:35 AM Anonymous steve said...

john did you ask about Pete Mac.? Is he comming back next year?

at 9:04 AM Anonymous mikec said...

red faced, The Orioles will not trade Bedard in the division. So Red Sox and Yankees are out.

at 9:48 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

John (8:43 PM) - Here's the problem with that claim... In my opinion, the baseball writers/reporters should also have been implicated in the Mitchell report.

These things have not been secret. The problem is that there have been years and years of people looking the other way for fear that if they report the steroid abuse, the individual would be blackballed by the players (no one would speak to them in the locker room any more).

Before anyone gets offended...I am not saying this is true of 100% of the writers/reporters (no more than it is true that 100% of the players are to blame). Although I simply cannot believe that NO ONE know about this situation or specific players at any point in the past 20 - 30 years.

at 10:51 AM Anonymous Lukey said...

Hey John, have the Reds shown any interest in free agent Freddy Garcia? He is coming off an injury, so he could probably be grabbed cheap. He would be great in the 2 or 3 spot.

at 11:11 AM Blogger Jamiethered said...


Thanks for keeping us all up-to-date as much as possible with Wayne "tight lips" Krivsky at the helm. Overall, as a long-time Reds fan I have been very pleased with "Midas Touch" Wayne.

However, all this Bedard talk is about to drive me up the wall in anticipation. There is widespread sentiment that we should hang on to Bruce. I have a hunch that we should hang onto Votto and Hamilton as well (the latter "feel good" story plus his upside could continue to be great for the Reds in 08). We also need to keep one of Bailey or Cueto.

John, my question at this point is how long can this continue to drag out? I mean, I hope we don't lose out on even the second tier pitchers like Prior, Benson or Colon, waiting for a deal that is just not going to happen. I would think if it does not happen soon, there will be a lull until after Christmas, and then maybe a short window in January where it could still go down.

Is there any chance Krivsky could pull a Yankees' approach and declare a deadline on this? Maybe he would have more leverage with Balty if he declared a deadline and/or started going full-bore after Blanton.

at 11:45 AM Blogger jdeezman said...

Here is another "hot stove rumor" concerning the Bedard situation that I found interesting. It's from FOX writer Ken Rosenthal's blog;

The Orioles, sources say, have slowed down trade talks involving left-hander Erik Bedard, apparently dissatisfied by the offers they are receiving. The Mariners, Reds and Mets are among the teams most interested in Bedard, but the A's return for Haren set a high standard. It remains to be seen whether Orioles owner Peter Angelos would endorse trading Bedard and second baseman Brian Roberts when both are two years away from free agency. ...

The Braves and Rockies were among the teams that showed late interest in Haren, but neither club stood a chance of matching the Diamondbacks' offer. The Reds were persistent but also could not get in the mix, particularly when they would not discuss outfielder Jay Bruce. Several other clubs do not value right-hander Homer Bailey as highly as the Reds do in trade proposals. ...

Basically it looks and sounds to me that the poker game revolves around Bruce and Cueto. The GM's want to force us to give up one or both of them, and Krisky isn't blinking... so far.

at 11:50 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...


If we're going to give up a huge part of our farm system and pay a lot of money to Bedard, why not just go after Santana? It doesn't look like Boston or the Yankess are moving off their offer. I know Santana is much more expensive, salarywise, but he's also much better.

at 11:57 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more I think about it, if you can get Bedard to sign an extention to 4 years, I'd give them Bruce - straight up. You might even be able to ask for more than Bedard - I mean we're talking the no 1 minor leaguer who's drawn comparisons to Larry Walker and Ken Griffey Jr. That leaves you with all our young pitching which gives you Harang, Bedard, Arroyo, Bailey, Belisle/Cueto. A team strong on pitching is FAR more valuable than a powerful offensive team, not that Bruce is even a part of this offense yet. Wayne may have established more value for Bruce through holding him out of talks. I'm closer to the edge on this Bruce issue...

at 12:10 PM Blogger Pokey Reese said...

Lukey, I was also wondering why nobody is talking about Freddy Garcia. He seems like a really reasonable option for cheap. (if he's healthy)

at 12:28 PM Anonymous Monroe said...

Controlling Bedard for 2 years is simply not worth giving up Bailey and 2 of the Reds top 4 prospects, especially Bruce. Besides if you give up Bailey for Bedard, you still need to fill two spots in the rotation. The Reds would be better off signing a couple of guys to one year deals (Garcia, Clement, Colon, Prior, etc) and let Homer and Cueto mature. Like they say, more often than not, the best trades are the ones you don't make.

at 12:43 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to agree with jdeezman. If the info on the rumors are correct I am happy that krivsky is not going to give more than he needs to.

Who knows what the future holds but I am more likely to enjoy it if the young ones get a chance to blossom here at GAB.

at 12:56 PM Blogger Malt Man said...

John, has Krivsky said anything regarding the Mitchell report and/or about Stanton?

at 2:05 PM Blogger John Fay said...

He won't comment about it. I heard from someone else that it won't affect Stanton's contract. All the allegations are pretty far in the past.

at 2:24 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...


I continue to find it ridiculous at how other teams love to devalue Reds' players, essentially forcing us to overpay in trades. Two examples, the Ken Rosenthal report citing Homer Bailey is not as great to other teams as he is to us, AND this past season, the Reds were shopping Dunn and NO other teams saw the value in him, forcing to not do anything. Does the organization feel the frustration as us Reds fans do?

at 3:32 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Come on people. Who did we give up for Keppinger? For Ross? For Brandon Phillips?
Arroyo? OK you get the Wily Mo award here.
For all the heat of the Felipe/Kearns trade, we will end up on the best side for just Bray. But at the time, everyone was up in arms about how much we gave up. An often injured outfielder with potenial, a infielder with potential and a pitcher who had not reached his potential.

So we are now offering similar to better prospects and everyone wants this done yesterday.

I think when a trade is not win/win, the first blink loses.

Would't Wayne look brilliant if he underpays for Bedard??? He sure has looked good in his other trades to date

at 4:34 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

In trade talks involving a top flight pitcher as Bedard. A team must answer the quesion do we contend now or 2-3 year from now. If the answer is now, a team must bite the bullet and trade the "crown jewels" to obtain the fontline starter. If the answer is let's wait until our young kids are seasoned then you wait. Its as simple as that, so these trade rumors are for conversation and debate among couch GMs. I suppose what I'm saying is, crap or get off the pot!!! In this couch GM's opinion, it go for the gold now rather than let's hope something works out down the road.

at 5:44 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we give up bruce to win now then the organization will tank two years later and we will all be kicking ourselves. Bruce has a real shot at being a future allstar, even if it's a 30% chance we have to keep him. The reds will be a laughing-stock again if we trade him and end up losing bedard down the road. I'm not taking that risk and krivsky's not either, just like a smart GM would do

at 6:04 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Bruce could throw 98 mph and win 20 games, he's defintely a keeper. Outfielders can be replaced a lot easier than a 20 game winner. Games are won by good players, championships are won by having enough pitching.

at 6:15 PM Anonymous firefly118 said...

Listen People! There are no guarantees that we will be competitive in 2-3 years. As a matter of FACT, 1 in 5 of most teams prospects every make a contribution at the major league level. Our own history has proven that, look at our prospects over the last 5 - 6 years. Dunn is the only one to really contribute to the team, and as much of a Dunn fan as I am, he still is looking for that all star seasoning. Players like Larson and Kearns we heard about for years, don't trade them because we will win a pennant with them in a few years, well guess what NOTHING. This is the plague we have had for 20 years with a few lucky seasons in between. Bottom line, take what you can get, An Oriole bird in the hand is better than two in the bush...league minors. Make the deal, send Bruce and Bailey for Bedard, sign Prior to a 3 year - 15 million dollar deal, and lets win for the next 3 - 5 years with proven players.......

at 6:49 PM Anonymous Rob said...

John, so Ken Rosenthal seems to think the Reds are overvaluing Homer Bailey. Maybe his breaking ball really isn't coming around as planned? Either way, it seems strange that the Reds seem to prefer trading Bailey over any Cueto or Bruce. Bailey was the organization's "prodigy" for so long. I'm just curious to your thoughts on Bailey's development. From what I saw last season, he had big league velocity, but his breaking ball was pretty poor. It might be generous to say it was just "raw." He just looks like a hothead kid who has blown people away for the last decade, but never felt the need to throw an off-speed pitch. I like his Schilling-like attitude, but is it impeding his development?

at 6:55 PM Anonymous Rob said...

It seems to me that the teams that "over-spend" and deal all of their prospects year in and year out are at least .500 or in contention. I'm so sick of hearing about teams growing their own talent. The league gets about one of those teams every other year (or in some cases 2 a la D-Backs and Rockies), but once those players perform well, those teams lose them to the big spenders. If the Reds wait around for a group of 25 year olds to win them a world series, then they will be waiting an awfully long time.

at 7:02 PM Anonymous Rob said...

John, what do scouts see in Jay Bruce that reminds them of Larry Walker? Larry Walker only struck out 100 times twice in his career. Jay Bruce whiffs as much as Adam Dunn in AAA. How will that ever improve substantially? Why don't the Reds just deal Bruce for Bedard, hang on to Cueto or Bailey, and stick Josh Hamilton in CF next year? That brings me to my biggest question...Why in the world are the Reds so intent on trading Josh Hamilton? Take away his hiatus from the game (which actually made him the cheapest # 1 pick in quite a long time), and he is a PROVEN top draft pick. He is only going to get BETTER. Why wait and roll the dice on a guy like Bruce, when you already have a young, cheap, stud in Josh Hamilton plus quality backups in Free and Hopper? I just don't get it John. Bruce might be great someday, but Hamilton is great now, and obviously Josh won't fetch us an Eric Bedard. I can't get anyone to answer this question for me. Please put my mind at ease with a logical explanation.

at 7:41 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The thing with prospects is you're projecting what you think they'll be. This time last year, the Reds wouldn't have traded Bailey. But he struggled last season in the big leagues. I don't think they're clamoring to trade him, but they know they have to give something up to get Bedard.

Walker didn't reach the big league full-time until he was 23. Bruce will be 21 on April 3. Walker hit .241 and struck out 112 times in 419 his first season. Then he continued to develop. The Reds hope Bruce keeps getting better. What they like about him is 46 doubles, 8 triples, 26 home runs playing against guys older and more experienced then him.

at 7:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

If everyone read my last two posts, I think they sum up the situation for the Reds. Go for the gold as quickly as you can!!!

at 8:09 PM Anonymous Rob said...

John, I didn't realize that about Larry Walker, and obviously Bruce does have a lot of potential, but what's the deal with Josh Hamilton? What are the negatives of keeping Hamilton and trading Bruce for Bedard? Pitching is most valuable, and we wouldn't lose much hitting or fielding with Hamilton out there. Are there some unforseen long term issues with taking Hamilton over Bruce? I promise, this is my last post on thise thread. I appreciate you keeping up with your fans and being so responsive.

at 8:14 PM Blogger John Fay said...

bruce is 20; hamilton is 26. And hamilton has had trouble staying healthy.

at 9:33 PM Blogger Joe said...

Also, Hamilton is a drug addict. He has done an amazing job of staying sober, but it's hard, I'm sure. When he had that problem right before the all-star break (forget what it was), they couldn't give him anything for it for fear of relapse. Also, when Larry Walker was 20 he struck out 120 times in 474 AB's.

Anyway, with Carlos Silva signing with the Mariners and the Dodgers picking up Kuroda, it looks like we are clearly the best fit for the Orioles. Wayne should have no problem waiting them out. I've seen some people say that the Orioles are dealing from a position of strength. This may have a bit of truth to it, but on the whole, they have already tipped their hand. First, Bedard turned down an extension from the Orioles. He wants out of Baltimore and will leave after two years. Secondly, trading away Tejada is a clear sign that they are in rebuilding mode. Their offense is Nick Markakis and bunch of hacks. I guess they could wait until the trading deadline this year, but I think the more time they let pass, the less value Bedard will have. If the Reds are offering Bailey, Votto and a couple of mid level prospects, I think the Orioles will eventually decide that this is the best they can do. Who knows...we shall see.

at 10:10 PM Anonymous mikec said...

And Bruce is better defensively. And there's no relapse risk.

Remember when Kearns was untouchable? Remember when the Reds turned down Kearns for Cliff Lee (before his down year)?

at 11:12 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all, is that guy using the name "Pokey Reese" THE Pokey Reese?

Second, I think I've seen 2 posts from someone talking about Jay Bruce as though he were a pitcher. Check your media guide again. He's an outfielder.

Third, the thing that should be noted about Kearns (and Pena, for that matter) is his developement was serious hindered by both Jim Bowden and Dan O'Brian and their unwillingness to commit to one or the other. Kearns and Pena were the same type of players, playing the same positions and neither GM wanted to give either player up. If Kearns had been given the job for a full season without having to worry about being benched after an 0 for 3 day game, he would have been evrything he was expected to be. I don't anticipate the same thing happening to Bruce, as I expect Griffey will be allowed to go free agent next season, his options not picked up. Hate to see him go, but I don't think Krivsky wants to repeat the mistakes of previous regimes.

Proof of that is in the way Krivsky has systematically gotten rid of evry person O'Brian hired or traded for. Didn't you all notice how O'Brian acquisitions like Dave Williams were tossed out before a month of the 06 season had gone by? I wonder if the sudden persistant rumors of Homer Bailey's fall from a place of honor have something to do with him being O'Brian's draft pick.

As for the trade with the Nationals. Even if Bray bounces back, he alone will not make that trade a good one for the Reds on any level. Majewski was damaged goods and a critical failure all around. Royce Clayton's best years were behind him and while he was acquired for a supposedly better glove than Lopez, it turned out his fielding stats were exactly the same. Brendan Harris has become a hot potato of sorts. He doesn't seem to last anywhere more than a year. Psychologically, that's got to wear down a guy, even after spending the better part of a year hitting .300. Daryl Thompson, the jury is still out on. But I don't anticipate him getting any Hall of Fame votes 25 years from now.

I say send Thompson, Cueto and Dickerson to the Orioles for Bedard, take it or leave it. Especially if Bedard is dead set on going free agent

at 10:12 AM Blogger Jamiethered said...

John, can you check into a wild rumour about the Reds being interested in Buehrle from the White Sox for Cueto and Votto? With no-trade protection, I would be surprised if the White Sox would offer up Buehrle, unless he had some sort of falling out with management. See http://www.baltimoresun2.com/talk/showthread.php?t=128332

at 10:14 AM Blogger Pokey Reese said...

Anonymous at 11:12, do you think that I'm THE Pokey Reese? As far as Jay Bruce being a pitcher, I think that those were "jokes". The theory is that if he could throw a 98 mph curve ball, then he would be worth all the hype. Any other questions?

at 10:46 AM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, from one anonymous poster to another, you're way off.
First the poster above was being sarcastic about Bruce being a pitcher.
Second, Kearns and Pena were NOT AT ALL the same kind of player. Yes, they both played outfield, but that's where their similarities ended. Kearns was polished where Pena was a project. Kearns held his position outright forever. He was our guy in right.
Third, I think what Krivsky has done is get rid of all the players who SUCKED under the previous GM's and has now stock piled all the talent we have. This team is loaded like we haven't seen in years. And that's not saying much.
Fourth, why would Wayne freakin' Krivsky in all consideration of his job, the team, and kingdom come decide that Homer Bailey is no longer worth anything JUST because he's not one of his picks?
Fifth, can I ask what Kearns and Lopez are doing in Washington? Do I have to drag their stats into the light of day? Wayne has UPGRADED each of their positions and in exchange he tried to make the team better that year. He's filed a grievance on Majewski (who may still not pan out) and Bray should turn out to be very serviceable. Heck there was light talk two years ago about him in the rotation at some point.
Finally, if Thompson is "no hall of famer" why would the O's take him in your offer? Why not throw in some Louisville Sluggers and see if you think they might need those too?
Sorry man, I just don't know where you're coming from.

at 11:47 AM Anonymous danny boy said...

with the rest of the teams starting to pick up free agents and trade the reds are looking good for a run at bedard or any oter starter for that matter.

at 1:27 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lopez is better than fat Al. The ss upgrade happened when Keppinger stepped in for the chubster who can't steal a base but obviously can sprint to fast-food outlets (too often).

Krivsky has stockpiled talent here? Oh yeah, so much talent that the Reds are not even in the top 7 NL teams (on paper or on the field).

Great stockpile. Too bad Krivsky isn't running Iran's nuclear weapons program.

at 4:13 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Anon 1:27, you are an idiot. Not to be confused with all the other Anon's on this board.
"Lopez is better than fat Al." and the rest of your comment is reeeeeaaallly Lame.
Lopez has had every chance to be the man. AGon had a few things going on last year, namely the life of his son.
Even with last years numbers, Gonzales is more valuable to the Reds. Did you notice the improvement of BP in the field?
Lopez made no one around him better

at 4:13 PM Anonymous pablopicasso said...

Yo Anon 1:27,

"Lopez is better than fat Al. The ss upgrade happened when Keppinger stepped in for the chubster who can't steal a base but obviously can sprint to fast-food outlets (too often)."

If you're going to make asinine comments like that, at least use a nickname so people can identify which jackass is braying.

In addition to the harshness of your comment, you're also wrong if you think Keppinger is a better SS than Gonzalez. Watch some games without drinking next year.

at 4:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

154 / 110
.245 / .272
9 / 16
50 / 55
70 / 55
24 / 0
Fielding %
.957 / .963
Zone Rating %
.787 / .838

Better fielder, better hitter, better player - I'll take AGon, bags or no bags. (Thanks for the upgrade Wayne!)

Don't bother giving Krivsky any credit for Keppinger either. That wasn't his idea or anything.

As for talent stockpile, what do you call the log jam in the outfield and infield? Just because in your mind we are outside the top 7 in the NL doesn't mean a) we actually are b) that we aren't better than we were before Krivsky got here... I know you're not looking to bring ANDERSON MACHADO up to the bigs anytime soon are you?

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