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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Thursday, April 3, 2008

A little more on Cueto

In the clubhouse after the game, Kent Mercker called me over and asked:

"When's the last time the Reds had anyone deal like this?"

Me: "A homegrown player? Mario Soto."

Merck: "No, anyone."

Me: "Jose Rijo, maybe."

Merck: "I don't think he threw that hard. He had that nasty slider."

Me: "This kid's pretty good, eh?"

Merck: "You know what, Volquez is just as good."

That would be Edinson Volquez. He makes his Reds' debut Sunday v. Philadelphia.

Reader John Perin sent this to me: With regards to Johnny Cueto's first-time appearance, here is some information on two other Reds' pitchers and their major-league debuts:

Gary Nolan - April 15, 1967. Went 7.1 innings, gave up six hits, three runs, struck out eight and walked two against Houston at Crosley Field. The Reds won 7-3. In that game, Nolan struck out the side in the first inning, walking only Joe Morgan around the three strikeouts.

Wayne Simpson - April 9, 1970 - Went nine innings, gave up two hits, no runs and no walks and struck out two against Los Angeles at Dodger Stadium. The Reds won 3-0.


45 Comments:

at 9:53 PM Blogger John said...

Mo Sanford:

Debut August 9, 1991
vs. SDP 7.0 IP, 2 H, 8 SO, 1 BB, 0 ER, W

 
at 10:00 PM Blogger Brick said...

Obviously only time will tell as to how good Cueto's going to end up being, but if Volquez is as good as Cueto as Mercker suggests...well...love ya JH and I hated to see you go, but for what the Reds paid to get Hamilton it could go down as one of the best trades the Reds have ever made. Good pitching will always beat good hitting....isn't that what they say?

 
at 10:17 PM Blogger Ankur Varma said...

I just wanna say that today's performance has made me so happy, even though I have so much studying to do (med school).

P.S. John, you have an awesome job!

 
at 10:21 PM Blogger ron said...

That may be what they say but in the case of JH, they are wrong. He has the chance to win every game for you, not just one in five. He has won one game for the Rangers so far.

 
at 10:41 PM Blogger redsfanwoody said...

Finally it is nice to see that ship might be finally coming in regards to developing pitchers. But I will say the ship has docked when we see a steady stream of arms coming up and getting results.

It should be interesting weekend series to see how our starters/bullpen matches up against the Phillies.

 
at 10:44 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Wow, John Perin and Kingseyeland, that's some great memory. Mo Sanford. Really pulled a wabbitt out of a hat on that one. And Wayne Simpson was really nasty but he blew out his shoulder and it really hurt the Reds in the World Series against the Orioles in 1970. The Reds' pitching staff was toast by the time they got to the Series.

The point? Cueto looks great and he's had ONE awesome game and he's exciting to watch. But before anyone names his ROY and puts him on the HOF ballot, let the kid pitch a little while. As Nolan, Simpson and Sanford remind, a twist of fate is only one awkward pitch away.

Hyperbole, slobbering and running up his rookie card price just isn't entitled quite yet.

 
at 10:46 PM Blogger redfuture said...

Pat Darcy was no Johnny Cueto but he did go 7 2/3 innings for a win in 1974. He gave up 6 hits (2 in the 8th) and 2 runs (1 in the 8th) while striking out 6 but he also walked 3. Johnny Bench had 2 HRs and 6 RBI to support his battery mate. What would this team be like with JB behind the plate?

 
at 10:58 PM Blogger redfuture said...

Tom Browning lost his shutout in the 9th inning of his debut versus the Dodgers. Typically he gave up 11 hits with only 4 Ks in the contest.

 
at 11:04 PM Blogger redfuture said...

Jay Tibbs had a pretty good extended debut in 1984 with Browning too. His first 5 starts left him with a 1.59 ERA. He went 7 2/3, 8, 7, 9 and 8 innings in those starts. He only had 8 Ks combined in those 5 games though.

 
at 11:11 PM Blogger redfuture said...

Wow, Jeff Russell pitched a complete game in his 1983 debut and allowed only 1 UN-earned run, walked 1 and struck out 7 at the age of 21. They traded him for Buddy Bell in 1985.

 
at 11:48 PM Blogger Unknown said...

Nothin' but net, Brick - pitching always trumps hitting. As in, good pitching will beat great hitting more often than not (look at a HOF .300 avg. it's still 7/10 for the pitcher, and if you tilt it another 50 points, it's pretty tough to win). The thing is, I saw Cueto's one bad game of spring training, and even then he had electric stuff and was just off the plate (and getting squeezed some). Otherwise, he's dominated every level he's pitched at, and when a guy has a dominant makeup and three plus pitches, look for him to string together a lot of good innings.

 
at 12:52 AM Blogger JerBear said...

On Cueto...what can you say except for WOW! He looked amazing. The Reds haven't had a pitcher with this kind of talent in forever it seems.

I felt like I was watching a Josh Beckett, Justin Verlander, John Smoltz level of pitcher when I watched Cueto today.


I think Hamilton is going to be an all-star so I don't think the Volquez deal would go down as one of the best trades ever made!

But it would certainly calm the fans down (me at times haha) who were upset to see Josh Hamilton go if Volquez turned out to be a solid starting pitcher.

I just hope Volquez is decent. ERA in the range of 4.00-4.50 I think would be good for his first full year of starting and pretty good for a 5th guy in the rotation.

The main thing I think you always worry about with these young great arms is them staying healthy. If Cueto and Volquez can stay healthy, man it should at least be an exciting year.

Anyway, it was just wild to watch a Reds pitcher pitch like that today. I almost couldn't believe the Cincinnati Reds developed a pitcher with as much talent as Cueto.

I still think Bailey can be good too...With Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey the pitching is looking very promising for the future.

And not only that...but we have Josh Fogg! Haha...actually I don't mind Fogg. Hopefully he can hold down the fort during his starts.

 
at 1:20 AM Blogger Unknown said...

I get the feeling that come August the rotation will be Harang, Cueto, Volquez, Arroyo and Fogg. And what happens if Homer Bailey gets it together? The Reds will having pitching depth at that point, amazing. I didn't realize Rijo never won more than 15 games in a season. You'd have to go back to Soto and Browning to find starters drafted by the Reds who won 100 games or more for the team. Not hard to see why fans are so excited.

 
at 1:37 AM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

Redfuture, back during the Jeff Russell days, there were many people (and I'm sure McCoy remembers) calling for Pete to put Russell in the bullpen. Russell had a helluva arm but couldn't get through the second time of the order. Sound like anyone familiar (Belisle)?

Pete kept insisting on keeping Russell as a starter, but if the Yankees could to move Righetti to closer, well, Russell could be tried at the back of the bullpen. Pete wouldn't do it.

Then, they made the Buddy Bell deal and it really was a good trade at the time. Bell was sensational in the field, adequate offensively for being at the end of his career, and should have won the Gold Glove in 1987.

But the Rangers ultimately converted Russell to a closer, he saved 186 games in his career, all but 52 in Texas, and was badly needed in the bullpen on some very good Reds teams that came up short on pitching from 1985-'88, and again in '92.

 
at 2:18 AM Blogger BATSFAN said...

Ross went 0 for 3 with 3 Ks in sarasota is that bad?

 
at 2:45 AM Blogger Swan Lewis said...

I hear ya Benny...

And to all the JH lovers, I do was VERY upset about his departure...yet everyone inside the club knew he was a cancer. Dude was a little loopy from guys perspectives who worked inside the stadium, I did not, so who knows...but if it was true, I am VERY happy we dealt him for Volquez's potential. Who knows if JH's chemical infested body and ego can hold up for an entire year. Let alone playing center field and batting third.

Suerte a el.

Redlegs!!!

 
at 6:37 AM Blogger John said...

Mr. Redlegs - I watched that Sanford game on TV when I was 16. I thought that kid was going to be a hammer for years to come, especially considering how 1991 was so disappointing, and how he just overpowered the Padres that night:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SDN/SDN199108090.shtml

(I didn't remember Sanford giving up the unearned run. BR has a much better memory than I.)

It's easy to get one's hopes up. Of course, it's hard denying how good Cueto was yesterday against a great team. But yeah, I'm not betting the farm on him yet.

 
at 7:59 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

Wheres all the "The Reds arent much better than last year" guys today? Hmm...

I guess for some, this blog is no fun unless theres something bad to say.

Im obviously thrilled with Cueto, and I think Lincoln was good.

Weathers, well, lets hope this was an off day.

Defense was better today, of course, they didnt have to do much.

One BIG problem though, the Reds stranded 15. 15! This game should have been 8 to 1. Playoff teams just dont let the other team hang around like that. They need to be able to "put em away" if they hope to win the central.

Well, anyway, good start for the Reds. 3 way tie for first! Lets hope they can keep it up.

 
at 8:00 AM Blogger KevinFtMyers said...

John, please keep us informed on Bailey and Belisle, well need them at some point. Thanks!

 
at 8:04 AM Blogger redsfanwoody said...

Not too sound overboard but Bailey had a good start yesterday.

 
at 8:37 AM Blogger Red Faced said...

WOW, that's what I've been waiting for guys and gals. Wish I could have been there to see it in person.

You aren't going to see many #3 starters pitching like that. Now, if we can just get the bats going a little more we'll be all set. 2 of 3 from the D-backs is a decent start to the season, now we have to teach the Phills that they have more than just the Mets to worry about this year.

Bailey had an awesome outing for Louisville yesterday against Syracuse but lost when the Bats could not even score one run for him. He pitched 7 innings, of 5 hit 1 run baseball. He walked 1 and struck out 2. But here's the most promising stat: He only threw 82 pitches, 53 for strikes. Homer has been having trouble with his pitch count all spring. For him to show that kind of command immediately in AAA is a very good sign for him. Hope he continues, if so he'll be back up very soon.

Looking forward to seeing Volquez pitch on Sunday.

 
at 9:34 AM Blogger Captain D-bag said...

next coming of pedro martinez? wow, that's pretty strong praise for the youngster. i'm thrilled he did well and i'm hoping for continued success. his stuff is eye-popping.

to play devil's advocate...isn't this d-back's team the same team that got out scored handily last year? not exactly the most proven bunch of offensive talent ever assembled. the d-back's strengths are pitching and defense. just a thought.

i hope volquez does the same in his start sunday. the only difference will be that voltron gets to go up against one of the most potent offenses in the NL.

i hope we as fans show patience with the young fellas, cause rookies tend to be pretty up and down.

and how about a shout out to former Reds scout johnny almarez for finding our precious jewell cueto! nice job...where ever you are...

as of april 3rd 2008 the reds have a wining % of .667% and are in 1st place in their division.

so far, so good :)

 
at 10:05 AM Blogger Arden Dulou said...

The Reds players like him, and think pretty highly of Cueto. That alone is enough for me.

By mid-season will know a lot more but I think it is safe to bet he is going to be a good pitcher this year. Is he great? Well, it takes a career to be defined as a great player. He is one guy looking forward to a great career. :)

 
at 10:16 AM Blogger Loco Foco said...

While Cueto's first start was scintilating, the best Reds debut for a rookie pitcher was Bumpus Jones in 1892, who threw a no-hitter to start his career. He remains the only major league pitcher to ever start a career with a no-no. He also holds the record for latest no-hitter, as his occurred in the last game of the season on October 15th.

Actually, his and Cueto's debut both share something in common: both allowed a runner to cross home. Bumpus, real name Charles, had 4 walks and an error that led to an unearned run. Of course, one thing that was different about Cueto's debut was that he threw from 60 feet 6 inches, whereas old Bumpus threw from 50 feet. The next year in 1893, the modern day mound-to-home distance was born. A nervous Bumpus also walked the first two batters, whereas the calmo y confio Cueto struck out Chris Young in 5 pitches.

You can read more about Bumpus' debut and his life and times, here:

http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=1088&pid=7100

 
at 11:13 AM Blogger Dolberry! said...

Bumpus was a clubhouse cancer, though. My grandpa knew a guy who knew a guy who said he had a big ego. The Reds were smart to deal him to the (NY) Giants.

 
at 11:30 AM Blogger smtides said...

Mr. Redlegs:

I'm in the minority around here in that I actually enjoy a large majority of your messages, but geez, let Reds fans be a little giddy today. Cueto has the whole town excited and talking. Let it be.

 
at 12:00 PM Blogger 24/7 said...

volquez is just as good. and he can strike out MORE hitters. 12 or 13 isn't out of the question.

not that they will, ask me in may, but if volquez looks anywhere near that or what i seen in spring with that changeup, the reds can ride these kids to the world series.

harang, cueto and volquez with arroyo as the long man. pretty good playoff rotation. power arms win in the playoffs.

cordero, mercker, burton and lincoln have all looked sharp. that's a guy for the 7th, 8th, 9th, and a guy to get us out of a jam if someone doesn't have it that day.

hamilton is gone and it's probably for the best, in the clubhouse and in the pitching staff, i.e. WINNING.

the reds are like detroit...we're going to hit. bailey only struck out two in 7. he's not gonna play in the bigs with that.

 
at 12:09 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

He only walked 1 tho and threw just 82 pitches. He'll play in the bigs with that.

 
at 12:13 PM Blogger MJ said...

If Bailey ever gets it together then he's likely to push Fogg out of the rotation and into long relief. No word on the trade front in regards to getting a catcher John?

 
at 12:33 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

I saw someone say it was wise to limit kids to 170 innings.

That is probably a good goal for Cueto and Volquez, meaning that we will have starts for Homer or Belisle to make.

In the immortal words of Flounder from Animal House:

"This is gonna be great!"

 
at 12:40 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

Cueto had a great game yesterday.

Fogg will get rocked by the Phillies lineup and we will be out of tonight's game by the fourth inning.

Bailey needs a couple more outings like yesterday's in order to supplant Fogg.

 
at 12:47 PM Blogger 24/7 said...

bailey's control is still an issue. he can't be successful as a contact pitcher. homer can't hold runners, so he needs he needs to strike guys out. that's the whole reason he's so highly-touted. he has the arm and stuff and body type to be a #1 ace, 200 inning-200 strikeout stud. if bailey's fanning triple-a guys at the same rate as his low big league camp rate, even with control he's josh fogg at best.

 
at 2:05 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

reagan..glad to see you positive about our team..its about time

you like my man Keppinger?

Mr Castellini..thank you for taking away my 5 buck nosebleed seats.. nothing better than watching the team, seeing the river and listening to Marty on the radio..thats heaven

Go Reds

 
at 2:14 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

even with control he's josh fogg at best.

WOW! I'm pretty sure the Red's organization doesn't feel that way. Fogg is serviceable at best. He's a career .500 pitcher with an ERA of about 5.00. About the same career numbers as Dick Pole's.

Bailey is only 22 years old, has huge upside and is in need of more technical tuning from Power to get command of his breaking stuff. If he does, he can be one of the best.

At the very least I expect Belisle to come back and replace Fogg who is better suited for long relief in mop up situations.

 
at 2:56 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Belisle stunk in 06 in the pen. He stunk in 07 starting, and he still stinks. If the Reds need help from Belisle that means they will be stinking, AGAIN. Lets hope not.
Tired of hearing the whining for Belisle.
ST CSA

 
at 3:07 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Jack, I am always positive about the Reds. That being said, certain players have limitations.

That does not mean I root for Griffey to get an injury like some in this blog, somehow thinking that improves our team.

I could care less if Ross only hits 220, if our pitching gets back to a sub 4.5 ERA.

At 4.5 ERA, we win 86 games. With Cueto and Volquez, we can better that number...

I think that Keppinger has punched Freel's ticket out of town, because those 2 guys play the same position

 
at 3:31 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Belisle was 2-0 with 3.60 ERA in 30 games in 2006.

He was 2-6 with a 4.09 ERA in 55 relief appearances on 2006.

 
at 3:34 PM Blogger Rob Dicken said...

you like my man Keppinger?

I am still sick of hearing you talk about him.

Correct me if I am wrong, didn't Clay Bucholz pitch a no-no last year on his starting debut?

 
at 3:44 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

In four years in the majors he has pitched 312 innings, given up 366 hits and has a 4.85 ERA. IMHO, that stinks!

ST CSA

 
at 4:48 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

rob ..I am not "talking" about anyone my friend..Lets stick to baseball rather than attacking co-bloggers

there are many topics and players discussed on this blog..lets learn how to share

reagan we gonna do some games this summer.. Looks like Ill have to sneak up, rather than down to my favorite seats

 
at 5:24 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

jackblueash...excellent point. Some here would just rather argue and name call when you disagree with their viewpoint.

BTW, I've always liked Keppinger and would like to see him as an everyday player. Too bad he can't be the everyday catcher.

 
at 6:56 PM Blogger Another losing season said...

Correct me if I am wrong, didn't Clay Bucholz pitch a no-no last year on his starting debut?

I'll correct you. That was actually his second pro start.

 
at 11:52 AM Blogger MJ said...

I sure hope Bailey gets his command problems solves soon. If this is what we're going to get from Fogg we're going to need another reliable 5th starter.

 
at 11:57 AM Blogger MJ said...

Fogg is only there until Bailey finds his command. Last night proved that Fogg won't hold down the 5th spot for long.

 
at 11:59 AM Blogger MJ said...

Well with Valentin injuring his hammy last night I wonder if the Reds don't package Belisle and Freel to get that catcher we need. This might mean they up the anty to get someone now. If Javy cannot go I'm not real comfortable handing over everyday duties to Bako.

 
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