Reds Insider: Wrap-up

Monday, April 21, 2008

Wrap-up

Reds lose 9-3 behind a disastrous start. Couple notes....

-"We got beat up today," Dusty Baker said.

-Joey Votto’s ninth-inning homer off Chan Ho Park traveled an estimated 466 feet. It’s the 14th-longest home run hit at Great American Ball Park.

- Edwin Encarnacion hit his fifth homer of the season in the seventh inning off Park. It was the fifth time Encarnacion hit a home run into the ball park’s bleacher seats, tying him with David Ross on that all-time list. Encarnacion extended his hitting streak to 11 games, a new career high.

-With the Dodgers loss, the Reds haven’t won the first game of a series this season (0-7).

298 Comments:

at 11:47 PM

Rob Dicken said...

I called it when I said Belisle would be called up over Homer Bailey. I'm not sure why Wayne Krivsky is so high on Belisle starting. The guy had more success in the bullpen.

Another prime example of why you don't take a bullpen success guy and convert him to a starting pitcher. It ruined Danny Graves' career. I really don't understand the point in putting crappy pitching into that 5 hole. More times than not, that 5 hole pitcher is going to face the best arm in another's rotation (ie. tonight with Brad Penny).

Anyway, another terrible loss. Bring up Homer, he CAN'T be any worse than Fogg and Belisle starting.

Get rid of Fogg. The guy is batting practice.

at 12:58 AM

NVreds said...

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at 1:21 AM

JerBear said...

I have to say I've been a pretty big Wayne Krivsky backer in the past, even when most people haven't been.

But boy I'm starting to wonder about Krivsky. For every good move he's made he's made a bad one it seems.

And maybe more frustrating is there doesn't seem to be a clear plan.

I think the Reds organization is sort of a Catch 22 right now. They have an owner in Castellini who wants to win now. You gotta love that.

You have a GM in Krivsky who is trying to form a team to win right now by keeping and adding certain veteran players, when the best formula would probably be to rebuild and go with all your young talent.

The Patterson and Fogg moves are pretty dissapointing when you look at them. They seemed like odd and desperate moves when you consider that both were signed in May in March I believe.

Then you have Griffey Jr. and Dunn. I think they are valuable players, but their contracts are sort of holding back the youth movement which is really the Reds main source for hope.

Belisle stunk tonight and you can't judge him on 1 start. But we've seen him enough over they years that I think it's not to harsh to wonder whether he'll ever be a good Major League Starter.

Now it seems like we may just be in a holding pattern waiting for Belisle to be so inconsistent that they have to bring up Bailey.

It seems inevitable. I hope Belisle pitches better than this, but we'll see.

at 1:29 AM

NVreds said...

rob's right, i think i just realized that its time for the bailey show. he cant be any worse than belisle.

hopefully he's done enough work on his secondary pitches to be able to use them, and he can learn while he's here. From what I've seen already from him, he can give us better starts than what we've got.

Do it, then people can rest awhile until bruce is ready. people will disagree on this one, but gonzo is an asset when he comes back, all he can do is help. for the defense he provides he hits pretty well, and hes that power right handed bat we need (power bat compared to hairston/cantu thats for sure)

at 2:12 AM

REddlegg in Colorado said...

Getting beat up is being to kind,you got destroyed & then some.

From the 1st crack of the bat this game was over.

Belisle you stink & Fogg,YOU stink too.Get em' both outta of here.

Bring up Tom Shearn for that 5th spot,couldn't be worse than what we already tried & he wasn't that bad last season in his spot starts.

At this point I can't wait for Livingston to come off the DL.He's really the missing piece to this rotation.A LH slow ball thrower.Something much needed.

How come Lohse is all of sudden a stud again.Maybe the coaching of Dave Duncan.Pole is a Joke & so is Jacoby.

Get some real pitching coaches, hitting coaches & you will see a improvement .These 2nd tier coaches ain't cutting it either

at 5:38 AM

mentalmidget said...

Typical Belisle!!! How many shots does this kid get?? He NOT A STARTER!!! He has proven it over and over again!!

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Krivsky is just reinforcing Eistein's genious.

at 5:43 AM

Unknown said...

I think the 0-7 is a bit of (bad) luck, though when you lose 150% as many as you win to this point, it's more likely than 7-0.

robdicken is dead-on right; Belisle belongs back in the 'pen. He'll do better, Bailey will outperform him in the rotation, and we can cut ties with the Fogg experiment. For the record, Graves was always shaky as a closer, even when he saved in the low 30s, he was lucky to only blow 6-9...also, his career high of 41/50 came the year after he stunk up the rotation (4-15).

Nice to see Votto and EE finally start ripping the cover off the ball like they've both been destined to do for a few years - each hitting 30 HRs this year would not surprise me. In fact, toss them in with Griffey, Dunn, Phillips, and Bako and we've got a potent lineup...hehehe, okay, so Bako will get a tenth of that number, but the first 5 are legit threats, and Keppinger finishing at .315+ would not surprise a lot of Cincinnatians, either. Also, Bruce will be up around the all-star break, watch.

at 5:46 AM

nickstyle said...

Rob, I don't think you went out on a limb with the prediction of Belisle over Bailey as it's what I figured and it seemed like the most logical move. Belisle had a mediocre season as a starter last year but pitched very well in his rehab starts and deserved the call up. Especially since Bailey struggled with command during spring training and it seemed unlikely they would just give him a few starts in AAA and then call him up.

However, when you look at Belisle's stats from '06 vs '07 I agree with you and he does look better from the bullpen. Still, they'll probably give him another start which I agree with but if he struggles again I say it's time for Fogg to be released, Belisle to the pen, and Bailey in the rotation.

at 5:49 AM

Unknown said...

PS - Kuo's first start, the Giants, and the 'Stros are just what we need to get rolling - provided we don't get owned by Roy Oswalt for about the 20th time. Also, St. Louis' otherwise crap rotation is finally coming back to earth - we might just be catching them at the right time (Lohse will get pummeled, for sure).

at 6:05 AM

REddlegg in Colorado said...

Barry too,Get that clown outta of here also.His baserunning coaching stinks.

I would fire Jacoby,Pole, & Barry.All three are clowns.

at 6:16 AM

REddlegg in Colorado said...

If I was Walt;Opps I mean Wayne,I would Hire Orel Hershiser(Plan B promote Ted Power) as the reds Pitching coach,Hire Ron Oester to help with the fielding, & Ken Griffey SR/ George Foster/Tony Perez/,Eric Davis(Any of the above mentioned names alone would be better than Jacoby). as hitting coach.

Of course oh Dusto would have his boys & you gotta retain Hatcher.I don't think Hatch's coaching hurts the team.Plus, Hatch always get a pass in my book.1990 daddy-o & girlie-o's,the guy was a hitting machine.

Of course,I'm just sayin.I can dream can I not?

at 7:31 AM

BubbaFan said...

HitTrackerOnline puts Votto's homer at 446'. According to them, EE's homer was actually hit harder: 450'.

at 8:06 AM

omnired said...

How are Dunn's and Griffey's contracts holding back the youth movement? The only outfield youth in Louisville being blocked at the moment is blocked by Corey Patterson's contract.

at 8:15 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 8:25 AM

paper/ said...

Will the Reds please stop playing the same old managerial games and just call-up Homer Bailey and Jay Bruce. Clear some space for them by trading or releasing Corey Patterson and Josh Fogg and give the fans what they want. Until then I see more of the same.

at 8:29 AM

Unknown said...

WHo goes when Ross comes off this week?

Here's my suggested batting order to maximize the few guys who are actually hitting:

Freel/Hopper (cut Patterson when Ross comes back)
Keppinger
Votto
Encarnacion
Griffey
Phillips
Dunn
Bako/Ross platoon

at 8:37 AM

Anonymous said...

Play Hopper! We suck for trading Hamilton!

Please. Hopper is a minor leaguer at best. Hamilton was traded for big time starting pitcher and will not last the entire season without a few trips to the DL.

Enough with that crap. That's not why we are losing games. And if you can't see it, I'm sorry for you.

at 8:40 AM

Rob Dicken said...

Trading Hamilton was a big loss..He had 2 more hits last nite batting ..322

Jack...come on man...listen to what you're saying. Hamilton is playing for the Rangers, and how much is he helping them? What's their record? It's just as bad as ours. He wouldn't make a difference.

We added a young stud to our rotation who has given us 3 quality starts in a row. It was worth the trade. There are a lot of things that I question of Wayne Krivsky, but that is not one of them.

Everyone really needs to lay off the Hamilton trade. It wasn't a bad trade for either side.

As you always say, Jack...pitching and defense wins championships, and we have the starting rotation to win this NL Central!

We don't trade Hamilton, we don't have the pitching. Without Volquez, we have both Belisle and Fogg in our rotation...seriously think about what you're saying!

at 8:43 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Sure is sad that with salaries like Dunn and Griffey we are forced to trade talent for pitching.. Trading Hamilton was a big loss..He had 2 more hits last nite batting ..322

at 8:43 AM

Joe said...

Bring Bailey up and put Belilse back in the bullpen. Trade or DFA Coffey of Fogg to open the roster spot. That would make room for Thompson in AAA. He's proven he can dominate in AA. The ballplayers have to see a result associated with performance, good and bad.

EE is starting to get comfortable and unwind at the plate. Adam Dunn has to start hitting soon.

I am glad to see Josh Hamilton doing well in TX and I hope this trade turns out very well for all the players and both teams involved.

I guess bringing up Hairston means the Reds have no interest in The Big Hurt.

at 8:47 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Griffey and Dunn is over 20 million in salary..

Should have spent the money on pitching and had an outfield that included Bruce and Hamilton

defend losing and mediocrity all ya want

at 8:48 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

why..like most Bengal fans do people want to get over the hill players in their late 30s that should have retired years ago.. The Big Hurt no longer is

at 8:54 AM

Dutch in Richmond, IN said...

Why we do we suck for trading Hamilton? Volquez is 2-0 with an ERA under 2.0.

But I will say, the reason we are losing games isn't Fogg or Belisle, it's the lack of offense.
We have played 20 games this season, and 10 of those games we have scored 3 runs or less. Our record in those, 1-9. Pitching isn't the issue, it's our hitting. Dunn and Patterson are both hitting below the Mendoza line. And Phillips, Dunn, Bako, and Patterson have combined for 26 RBI's in 242 at bats. Terrible.

at 8:57 AM

Rob Dicken said...

Shoulda, coulda, woulda....it's all said and done, Jack. You have to give up quality to get quality.

You don't eat multi-million dollar contracts so you can keep young guys. If you're paying these two big bucks, you stick them out there and you make them worth every penny you're paying them. It's common sense.

Griffey and Dunn were both worth the money they were paid last year. 70 homers and 200 RBIs combined is not too shabby! You can say that they're "dinosaurs" all you want, but as I have said, what matters are statistics in the end.

This isn't an argument or debate about mediocrity...it's an argument about common sense. There's always more to the situation than "going to games and watching them play."

Common sense says, you don't dump multi-million dollar contracts to let the young'ns play. I like the young kids playing every day, but the Billy Beane concept just doesn't work.

at 8:58 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

this team is not going to get significantly better with players like Griffey, Dunn, Freel, Ross, Valintin..etc.

Nor will additions like Patterson, Hairston make a difference.

This conversation has been going on the past7 years and is getting old. And after 7 years you have to have the insight to say to yourself its not working

You can defend, microanalyze , rationalize all ya want..Losing is losing. Why stay lost

They need to get rid of the dinasaurs and articulate a new direction to the fans

This is not a "rough start"..this is a continuation of the same bad baseball this team has been playing for the past 7 years

People make excuses for losing because they are uncomfortable with the potential of winning

at 9:00 AM

Rob Dicken said...

why..like most Bengal fans do people want to get over the hill players in their late 30s that should have retired years ago.. The Big Hurt no longer is

What does it matter what the guy's age is if he is coming off the BENCH, Jack? What does it matter?!

The guy can still hit! He has the right handed pop that we need.

I also don't remember too many signings in the past years for the Bengals that involved players in their late 30's.

at 9:02 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

common sense is that you dont keep a team together that has lost 7 years in a row

our record with Dunn and Griffey leading this team is what

and frankly..there is no more to baseball than going to games and enjoying the team play

no you don't have to give up quality to get quality..If you have the money to spend..quality is available

you can defend this team..its like a woman that gets beat by her husband year in year out..shes always saying hes gonna stop and she never files charges..or like the alcoholic that takes just one more dring.

team stinks..what is is

at 9:09 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

FrankTs average over the past 4 years is .245..he has a huge salary and a bonus that kicks in with a certain number of plate appearances

he has become a weak hitter and he was let go because of salary and potentional bonus

age does matter in professional sports

at 9:13 AM

Rob Dicken said...

You can defend, microanalyze , rationalize all ya want..Losing is losing. Why stay lost

Because this isn't Boston or New York, Jack. This organization doesn't have $300 million to throw around on players! Microanalyzing and rationalizing is NECESSARY!

This involves a lot of baseball common sense. Griffey and Dunn are signed this year, and they are going to play this year. There's no sense in whining and crying about their performances. Griffey, thus far, has been pretty good. He's leading the team in RBIs.

Anyway, their contracts will not be dumped. Let them expire and go elsewhere. Do I expect the Reds team to be playoff contenders this year? Possibly...if they can figure out how to cohesively play together. We have too much dead weight right now (Freel, Coffey, Fogg, Valentine, etc.). Slowly but surely, these guys will be gone. The dead weight is NOT the guys driving in runs for you

I see a trade brewing for Ryan Freel sometime soon. With Ross coming off the DL soon, I expect Freel and a Catcher to go, but I could be wrong.

I however expect this team to be a playoff contender in 2009. There's not any reason for them not to be.

BTW, the Blue Jays dumped Thomas, but they still owe him his contract. That would mean that he should still be able to sign elsewhere for little to nothing. Who cares if his average is .245? What are the averages of the bench players we currently have?

at 9:21 AM

Unknown said...

Ugh. Here we go.

WHo goes when Ross comes off this week?

Valentin. Bad catcher, no speed, and bad hitter. And please don't tell me he's a good pinch hitter. He's .200 for his career in that role.

Griffey and Dunn is over 20 million in salary..
Should have spent the money on pitching and had an outfield that included Bruce and Hamilton

Griffey was signed in 2000 and is not tradeable. Other teams aren't interested in his salary for 1 year at his age. You could have let Dunn walk, but who exactly was available to sign as a starter? Kyle Lohse? You kind of have to consider that part, don't you? If you get rid of Dunn's run production, you have to significantly improve your pitching to make up for it. Kyle Lohse isn't that guy. Have you noticed that we're having trouble scoring runs? And you want to let your #1 run producer from last year go? Dear lord.

The guy (Frank Thomas) can still hit! He has the right handed pop that we need.

What makes us think that a guy who was unhappy on the bench in Toronto is going to be happy on the Reds bench? He certainly can't start because he can't play defense.

at 9:30 AM

MONEY MIKE said...

"no you don't have to give up quality to get quality..If you have the money to spend..quality is available"

So the last point would be moot eh? I mean sure if we're the Yanks or someone with a 200 Million payrol we can spend to get quality, but the fact of the matter is the Reds are a small market team. We have to give up quality to get quality, as a result.

I was as big fan of a Hamilton fan as they come, still am actually, but we needed pitching and had excess outfielders. Yeah I question the trade at times, but I think Krivdog made the right move here.

at 9:31 AM

Rob Dicken said...

and frankly..there is no more to baseball than going to games and enjoying the team play

Jack...come on dude. Listen to yourself...SERIOUSLY!! There's much more to the game of baseball than going to a game and saying that the players are terrible. That's absolute garbage, man.

Statistics, situations, ground coverage...must more to the game of baseball than just going to the game.

Good lord!

no you don't have to give up quality to get quality..If you have the money to spend..quality is available

But this team doesn't have money, and WOULDN'T by releasing players. Those contracts are still owed.

Quality pitching is raised, not "signed." The only teams that sign quality pitching are West Coast teams (ie. Giants, Arizona, Padres, etc.) and the New York teams. There's nothing much in-between there, man.

Take a look at Oakland and the Florida the past 7-8 years or so. Look at all of the quality pitching that has come from these organizations: Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, Dan Haren, Barry Zito, Joe Blanton, Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson, Dontrelle Willis...just to name a few!

our record with Dunn and Griffey leading this team is what

Harang has been here just as long as Dunn...we haven't won a pennant or anything with Harang...maybe we should drop him too? /sarcasm

To say that 2 GOOD players that drive in runs for this team, is holding this team back from winning...that's a farce, dude. I am not sure how anyone can take you seriously with some of your comments...

at 9:31 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 9:37 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

statistics and microanlyzing every play is for bloggers that cant take in actual games Dicken.. you dont live in Kentucky and you have not been to a reds game in years

the conditions at the park Sunday were not horrible..nobody was moving to avoid the light drizzle..yet..for you TV viewers it looked heavier than it was

when you do have two players compromising you salary abilities, they are holding the team back.. in all areas

there is nothing more than going to the ballpark and enjoying your team

this is all you got dude..your loss not mine

at 9:44 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Griffey was signed in 2000 and is not tradeable. Other teams aren't interested in his salary for 1 year at his age. You could have let Dunn walk, but who exactly was available to sign as a starter? Kyle Lohse? You kind of have to consider that part, don't you? If you get rid of Dunn's run production, you have to significantly improve your pitching to make up for it. Kyle Lohse isn't that guy. Have you noticed that we're having trouble scoring runs? And you want to let your #1 run producer from last year go? Dear lord

Griffey was and is tradeable by the way..he just needs to approve the trade.

again..what have we done with Griffey and Dunn..you think the team might actually get a winning record with both of them gone..

Too funny

at 9:48 AM

Rob Dicken said...

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at 10:02 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 10:06 AM

Anonymous said...

"Disabled fellow?" John, this has gone back to being nothing but a personal attack forum. I thought these posts were being moderated?

at 10:19 AM

Bobby the Butcher said...

First of all I would like to thank Mr. Fay for having a blog that actually discusses the reds instead of the red reporter which discusses star trek and pocket protectors.

I think ol Wayne K.'s time is coming to a close. First you let Cantu go who was hot before he left in favor of Corey Patterson. Are you even serious? I know that Cantu doesn't play center but he could have contributed at third with Kepp at short. This guy can't hit and he can't take a walk. It's not good to have a seriously fast guy who is never on base. You can't steal first.

Why in the world would you bring up Belisle over Bailey. Why would you bring up Harriston over Bruce. I will tell you, because the Reds tell you they do everything to win, but they do everything to save a buck. I agree that Hariston should be on the team because of his performance, but Bruce is being held down so that they can get and extra year before arbitration. Letting Cantu go and watching him be the right handed bat we need while we pitch Fogg and Belisle in every fifth spot makes me want to throw stuff at the tv and start a letter writing campaign to the front office.

The season is slowly starting to slip away with no signs of a turn around. At bats look uninspired and some players are going through the motions. We need Bailey as our 5 spot. The front office needs to address the Reds lack of a viable lead off canidate. If we get a lead off guy that actually sees first base we might have a shot. Oh yeah and please trade Bronson Arroyouttahere....the team is not averaging 9 runs a night so we can't afford to keep him in the rotation with his pitches being up in the zone. I hope someone in Reds land is brainstorming instead of hoping because this could be one hell of a long season if not.

at 10:20 AM

Rob Dicken said...

Mr D we were at the game ..very few if any moved to avoid the rain..even Marty was commenting on the lack of fan movement..the rain was paltry and of no significance.

That's funny...I had a radio and I don't remember Marty mentioning that. Thousands of fans were under the over-hangs. Fortunately, I had a seat under the over-hang, so I didn't need to move.

I live in Northern Ky.. you wanna discuss specifics

Absolutely! Ever been to Barleycorns in Fort Mitchell? KJ's sports pub in Crescent Springs? Love those places! Good food!

If you get the chance, hit up Keystone and Molly Malone's in Covington. Good places to eat and usually have good happy hour specials.

you are the same disabled fellow that posts under the name of deezman..everyone is aware of your numerous nicks .. you have not been to a Reds game in 15 years

You can assume who I am all you want, buddy. But you're entirely wrong. I've had this handle and Google login for the past 3-4 years.

No need to explain myself anymore than I already have.

People aren't here to read that crap anyway.

GO REDS!!

at 10:23 AM

Rob Dicken said...

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at 10:27 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Yes I do, and yes I have. Went to the game on Sunday. Told you this before. Sat right behind home-plate. Got myself a bag of peanuts, had a few beers, and enjoyed the game (even though it was raining).

no overhangs behind home plate dicken

at 10:28 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 10:31 AM

Webguy said...

Please bring up Bailey and move Belisle to the pen. Then package Fogg with Freel and Valentin for a low level catching prospect.

at 10:36 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 10:37 AM

Rob Dicken said...

no overhangs behind home plate dicken

There is an overhang towards the very back behind homeplate. These are from the second deck/radio and press boxes. I was sitting in the very first row under that overhang.

dicken whats missing from the kentucky shoreline and why?

Mike Finks'. The boat needed repairs. I saw them tow the boat away actually.

I work in Covington at the Rivercenter Towers.

dicken re read your blogs you are always calling others names

Jack...prove it. Copy me on some names I've called people.

at 10:39 AM

Another losing season said...

THREAD RECAP

Rob Dicken opens up the thread by breaking his arm patting himself on the back.

jerbear hands in book report

nvreds breaks his own arm patting dicken on his back

reddleg in colorado wonders why the Reds won't hire real coaches

mentalmidget gives lesson on Einstein

dave chimes in with lady luck and consequently tells us how the future will look

nikstyle asks dicken for a date

dave predicts kyle lohse (who has not lost a game in about eight months) will get the knockout punch from the mighty and fearful Reds lineup.

reddleg in colorado suggests clowns should leave town then provides a bevy of coaching changes to include all former Reds players except Tom Browning who could assist with blunt skills

bubba takes us to task on math

omnired does the same over contracts

jack checks in with his signature argument and disdain for all that is old and all that is Dusty

nate, unknowingly, counters with the youth movement

mike longs for the return of David Ross

big red smokey is red-in-the-face over Reds trading Joshie

dicken launches offensive strike on Jack

Jack starts to lay the foundation for his Chewbacca defense

rob and jack, two worthy adversaries, each gives us life lessons. jack on battered women and alcoholics, while dicken prefers to keep it safe with the good lord.

at 10:40 AM

Rob Dicken said...

dicken reread your blogs..you are always attacking others, then you aplologize to John Fay and whine and cry

I happen to think you are an unemployed lonely loser that hangs on sports blogs and in chatrooms all day look under a hundred different nicks

I NEVER attack others on here, Jack. Just because you debate with them on something doesn't mean you're attacking.

John, you seriously need to start moderating these posts. This is the 3rd time Jack has thrown insults at me today.

I'm tired of defending myself. No one wants to read this crap.

at 10:41 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

dicken..all of us living in Kentucky receive a motor vehicle assessment which breaks down percentages..you are required to keep this card for your records and renewal

list the 8 tax jurisdictions on the card that everyone in kentucky receives my friend.

dicken john fay and I had a discussion about your blogs this is why he changed the rules that require bloggers not to mention others names you are always calling other bloggers names
LOLOLO

at 10:46 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 10:50 AM

Rob Dicken said...

Jack, just drop it. I don't need to prove anything to you.

Throw out a name I have called someone besides their handle...I really would like some examples!

Mike Finks is missing from the Kentucky shoreline. I answered you awhile ago...you'll have to wade through your 15 post responses, though.

at 10:50 AM

Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

fyi everybody...john fay's brother passed away, he is not currently moderating the blog.

at 10:54 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

5:08 PM Blogger robdicken said...

Was at the game today...

Pretty horrible day (weather wise) to go to a game. But we had seats under the third base overhang so we were ok. Good day to go, nonetheless, because the Reds won! One of the best comeback games I have ever been to.

interesting how you moved from 3rd base to behind homeplate robby

again robby what jursidictions are on you tax assesment card

at 10:54 AM

jdeezman said...

HAHAHA!!!

Now I'm robdicken!

This is rich, I have an internet stalker on a newspaper blog that's supposed to be about baseball!!!

John... I really do feel bad for you to have to put up with this.
God Bless my friend.

Jack... Prozac.

Live it, love it, learn it.

GO REDS!!!

at 10:55 AM

Rob Dicken said...

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at 10:55 AM

jdeezman said...

God Bless John and God Speed to your brother.

at 10:56 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

dicken ..if you worked at Rivercenter you would have the type of job that would prohibit you from posting on a blog every 10 minutes

at 10:57 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

I'm done with you, Jack. Just drop it, already.

Still waiting on those names...I want specific examples.

?????

at 10:59 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 11:01 AM

Rob Dicken said...

Jack, look up aisle 121. If I am not mistaken, that's behind home plate slightly down the third base line.

dicken ..if you worked at Rivercenter you would have the type of job that would prohibit you from posting on a blog every 10 minutes

I do XML programming. I'm on a computer all day.

So what's that say about yourself?

at 11:01 AM

Unknown said...

EE's glove looked much better.... He is getting dirty and throwing straight. As ugly as he has looked this season - he sure looked good Monday night. I would suggest that he get a better glove - a ball should not get stuck in an infielder's glove like it did.

at 11:02 AM

Reds Fan of Toledo said...

Jack you may be the most negative person I have ever seen. At least when Zippy slams the Reds he has real Baseball related arguments. You say the same thing over and over again and are completely wrong. First of Dunn-o-sourus is not even leading the team in strikeouts. Phillips is. And just because two guys have been here for 7 losing seasons does not mean they are the reason the reds are losing. It means they have been the ones producing the last 7 years. I am not a Dunn or JR fan but you cannot deny their production. They will live up to the back of their baseball card.
Finally, what pitching was out their to buy this last winter? Kyle Loshe who was not signed until right before the season and nobody wanted. Jeff Weaver? This guy is a Joke. When the best pitcher on the market was Carlos Silva then the market stunk. That is why trade was the only option. I loved Hamilton and got to know him as a employee of the Dayton Dragons last year but this is a business. The Reds and TX traded surplus OF for surplus Starting Pitching
The Season is Still Young Be POSITIVE!!!
GO REDS

at 11:03 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

robby..all kidding aside..at the game sunday nobody started their exodus to covered seats until the seventh inning. And Marty commented on such numerous times

it was not horrible at all..could have been better..but hey ..its April

GO REDS

at 11:04 AM

Rob Dicken said...

I did not know John's brother passed away. Good information! Thanks!

John, god bless you and your family and I want to send my condolences through these rough times.

Hopefully all of this garbage can be eliminated for when you return.

at 11:07 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

reds fan of toledo..I apologize ill try to be more positive with a team that has had 7 losing seasons in a row and is continuing to play the same type of ball as we type.. Toledo is one filthy city how can you live there

Robby does your boss know you are blogging all day long?

You must not be a very good programmer..or an insignificant one

yes John sorry to hear about the passing of your brother..perhaps you would like to enlighten Rob Dicken and the tone of his posts as we discussed..he seems to be in denial

at 11:09 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

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at 11:12 AM

klashdfhsdf said...

Jack, just wondering if hamilton had not been traded how on earth would the reds field a decent rotation, and don't say release/trade griffey or dunn because we know that is not realistic. So basically if you don't make that trade the rotation is:

Harang
Arroyo
Cueto
Fogg
Belisle

This team may score a few more runs with Hamilton but we'd be lucky to get 3 quality starts from those 5 and the bullpen would be dead half way through the season. Unless your boy Kepp can start.

at 11:12 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

martys exact comment in the 2nd inning of Sundays game ..he essentially said that this light rain had not be expected until that evening but that it was paltry and he did not see any fans moving

at 11:15 AM

Rob Dicken said...

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at 11:18 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

gene ..I dont have the answers..but signing a 30 year old outfielder to a ten year contract is gonna cause financial issues somewhere down the line. We were not forced to keep Dunn..

These two players have count for almost one third of team salary .

so I am not badmouthing Griffey..he cant help it that hes over the hill and injury prone.. I am bad mouthing the decision to sign him to a ten year contract.

you can find quality pitching if you have the money to spend

robbie this is not HS i dont need anyone defending me

Now Rob..are you not getting paid to be a programmer?..as a mature adult dont you think that blogging all day long is the same as stealing company time

at 11:18 AM

KevinFtMyers said...

Rob, stop being a Dick en,
Jack, stop being an Ash hole.

Baseball please, not drama.

We all argue, but for both of you, your last 5 or 6 posts have not had one baseball point.

Please, its stupid.

at 11:19 AM

Zippy said...

I agree that Jack is redundant, but (and I say this knowing that I've already been accused of being Jack), I must say that he does make some valid points. The Reds did indeed trade their best run-producer for a guy who only plays every 5th game, which made me say "huh?" as soon as I heard about it. Consider this: If Volquez weren't here, Baily would probably be in the rotation. Now, how much of a drop-off is that? If Baily went 11 and 9, which seems entirely possible, and Volquez goes 15 and 5, which seems like a stretch, it's just a 4 game difference. When you consider that Hamilton would be playing every day instead of Patterson, I think that winds up being more than a 4 game differential.

Of course, these numbers are completely hypothetical, but they seem entirely plausible and they highlight the inherent downside of trading the team's best hitter (and best defensive outfielder) for one good pitcher. Perhaps in the long run this will somehow work in the Reds' favor, but I think it's a mistake to criticize Jack for pointing out the backwards logic of this team. Since the local media don't seem to be very interested in criticizing the team's management, it's up to the disgruntled fans to do it.

And if you're tired of seeing Jack post the same argument over and over, here's an idea: Stop arguing with him.

at 11:24 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

robbie..I started up and now run one of the largest medical staffing companies in the Tri -State..I can play all day if I want to

Yet, if we caught any employee blogging or chatting on company time..that employee would be terminated..and this holds true with most companies.

search yourself before lecturing others on maturity.

by the way Robbie you fight with this CSA all the time

at 11:24 AM

Another losing season said...

Dicken, what Jack is talking about is the way you call other posters ideas and thoughts stupid or atrocious or some other negative. If you want me to get specific, just look at your post's from yesterday. You consistently try to build yourself up by talking others down and it only shows your immaturity and lack of respect for other viewpoints. Then you go carping to Fay about what a good guy you are. That is funny.

There are better and more respectful ways to repsond to someone else's viewpoint which will in turn garner you a little more repsect. That is all he is saying.

at 11:27 AM

KevinFtMyers said...

Enough with the Hamilton trade. Every point thats been made pro pitching or pro hitting has missed a HUGE factor in this trade.

JAY BRUCE!! Heard of him?

We traded Hamilton because we have Bruce AND could get Volquez.

Yes it would be nice to have Hamilton and Bruce in the OF, but that would mean no Volquez.

Its simple, want Volquez?, Rangers want Hamilton.
Do the deal, Bruce replaces Hamilton. Not even close to a bad idea.

at 11:28 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

zippy..my point is that by paying the two dinasaurs over 20 million dollars a year we are limited in what we can do..thats all

And I appreciate your point..I would rather have someone in the lineup everyday that can contribute

But I also look at end results..and this team has and continues to stink

Conversely, Adam Dunn should be a DH somewhere..maybe.. And same holds true for Griffey..I am not a betting man ..but I would bet he gets injured sooner than later

at 11:29 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

thank you losing season..

at 11:31 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin the point being..if we did have the salary ability we could get pitching and still keep players like Hamilton

nobody in their right mind would even consider a Dunn or Griffey if they were given the ability to build a basesball team

at 11:32 AM

Zippy said...

"Enough with the Hamilton trade" says kevin, who then goes on to discuss his views on the Hamilton trade.

I've heard of Bruce -- so what? Unless you've got 4 great outfielders, it rarely makes a whole lot of sense to trade a great everyday player for a great every-5th-day-player.

at 11:33 AM

Rob Dicken said...

And if you're tired of seeing Jack post the same argument over and over, here's an idea: Stop arguing with him.

Agreed. No sense in trying to logically debate over anything with him.

I would have discontinued this argument a long time ago. But I am not going to let someone insult me (about 4 times he did so, I believe, possibly more) over a disagreement about the Cincinnati Reds. That's absolutely unwarranted. If you can't handle a disagreement, then leave. Enough said.

Also, Zippy...the part about Hamilton...

Again, we're speaking from a "possible" sense here...you ALWAYS should trade fielders for pitching and never trade pitching for fielding. Does that make any sense? For every outfielder we get rid of, another will come around that can produce equally (ie. Bruce). But pitching is of a totally different aspect. Am I wrong in assuming that? That's the logic I am coming from.

While I agree that Hamilton is good and he will definitely be missed, I would much rather have Volquez in the rotation than a 4-5 of Fogg and Belisle. Because face it...Homer Bailey didn't make the team over those guys.

at 11:33 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

you mean Jay Bruce who could not make the team in Sprin Training Kevin..oh wait..no big deal

we just have another losing year ..our 8th in a row and when he gets here next year we will be ok.

at 11:34 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

at 11:36 AM

Reds Fan of Toledo said...

Jack to Answer you question I live near this "filthy" city because I am going to Grad School at Bowling Green State University and all off campus housing in the small town of Bowling Green is filled by March for the next school year. Now about the Reds.
Winning or Losing Dusty has been trying to Shake up the Lineup and try and find the best working lineup. Although it has not worked yet, you have to at least give him the credit he is due. He has been blasted in the past for sticking with the same players and the same lineup. At least now he realizes things need to be changed up.

at 11:36 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Its funny how we could trade an outfielder like Hamilton to get pitching..but when it comes to our 2 superstars Griffey and Dunn..nobody wants either

at 11:37 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Dusty is doing the same thing that Narron and Pete did before him..no big deal..same results

at 11:38 AM

travis said...

I see once again that this has become the jackblueash blog with a discussion concerning motor vehichle assesment in KY, along with the classic jack insults about the disabled and the superiority of one fan over another because you actually attend the game. jack you are a complete joke... you consider this blog which should be about the Reds your personal sounding board... FYI.... nobody cares where you sit and what games you attend....get a myspace account and blog on that.. give us fans who want to read other real fans opinions on the Reds a break!!!

at 11:38 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

dont you have the Toledo Mud Hens up there reds fan?

at 11:39 AM

Zippy said...

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at 11:40 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

travis i never disabled the disabled..quit embellishing

travis u remind me of one of those fat girls in HS..quit crying

at 11:40 AM

KevinFtMyers said...

Jack,

Over the past seven years, what has been a bigger problem,

Hitting?
or
Pitching?

You want to keep hitting, instead of getting a legitimate starting pitcher?

Im pretty sure outfielders who can hit are a little easier to come by than starting pitchers. As a matter of fact, the Reds just signed another one out of the Dominican.

at 11:41 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

sorry travis/... i never diminished the disabled..please show where I did that.. The partner in my firm is disabled. I have great respect for the disabled

at 11:43 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin .. I think the problems in this team encompass all areas. I like Volquez..again..all I am suggesting is that bad decisions have been made in the past that financially hamper this team

in the past two years alone we have had to eat what..Cormier, stanton, Castro..5 plus miliion in salary..that would buy us some pitching..or at least help to

at 11:45 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

by the way gang.. I have watched for almost 3 weeks now how all of you Reds fans that predicted a division title for this team as recently as a month ago..trash demean and belittle every aspect of this team..

talk about hypocrisy

at 11:46 AM

Zippy said...

Rob,

You've insulted me plenty of times. You're right -- it's unwarranted. But you're not leaving, are you?

Either fight with Jack or don't fight with Jack. But don't fight with him and then complain about the fact that he keeps making the same arguments and fighting with you. From what I can tell, most of his comments are responses to other people's comments about him.

at 11:46 AM

Reds Fan of Toledo said...

So because I live in a city with a Triple A team I can't be a Reds fan? What does the Mudhens have to do with the Reds. They are associated with the Tigers.

at 11:47 AM

Rob Dicken said...

Another losing season...

I am not saying that I don't say something every now and then that is negative. We all do here.

But, when I say this like "garbage" or "atrocious," I am not degrading a person. I think it's being taken totally the wrong way. I am trying to logically debate with someone over a comment they've made, not degrade them. More times than not, those comments are towards Jack and CSA because they consistently degrade me and my comments and totally disregard anything I have previously said.

However, it is unwarranted and un-needed here for any type of name calling (calling me a loser, a liar, and unemployed), telling me I should be fired from my job, and insulting my intelligence consistently. Both Jack and CSA do this to me on a normal basis, even when I don't even acknowledge their existance.

Just because I say that a comment is atrocious or garbage, does not warrant ANY of that.

Jack...I am glad you are a successful person. Regardless, that doesn't give you the right to degrade any poster around here, including myself. We can disagree about things, but there's not any reason why we can discuss this on a mature level. Everything that has preceded this post has been anything short of responsible or mature.

If you want to continue to be redundant, fine. Do so. But don't degrade people because you don't agree with them.

at 11:49 AM

Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Good post by Losing Season. Time for Dicken and all his alter IDs to just move along.
ST CSA

at 11:50 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

thanks zippy..by the way who should the Bengals draft..I say a defensive tackle

this team will be ok..as I have stated repeatedly ..there should be an improvement of approximately ten games compared to last year

robbie..sorry hun if I hurt your feelings and if u actually think sundays weather was bad..you are a wimp..even julie whom hates the rain toughed out the light dirzzle

ROBBIE THE EXAMPLES YOU HAVE ASKED FOR SEEM TO BE SPEAKING ON THEIR OWN BEHALFS

at 11:50 AM

KevinFtMyers said...

Bruce didnt go north because of Patterson, Freels contract, and Hopper with big league experience.

Also a little red tape issue with the arbitration clock.

But, maybe youre right and Baseball America, MLB.com, and all of the teams that wanted Bruce in trades in the off season are wrong.

at 11:51 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

ROB HOW MANY NICKS DO U HAVE

at 11:51 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

Bruce did not go north because he strikes out too much..and still does

at 11:53 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin if management felt that Freel, Patterson and Hopper are better in CF than Bruce at this point in time.. I would suggest to you hes not getting a vote of confidence

at 11:57 AM

Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

i feel a ban or two coming when our moderator makies his return

at 11:57 AM

KevinFtMyers said...

And now all of a sudden YOU beleive management knows what they are doing?

You change your views to suit your arguments, bush Jack, very bush.

at 11:59 AM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin I think management is totally lost. I was being sarcastic.

I would love to see Bruce up here even if he struggles..Anything would be an improvement over Patterson/Hairston

at 12:00 PM

Rob Dicken said...

Jack...stop the insulting already! Enough of it!

Drop the entire subject, while you're at it.

I have one ID. This is your second one, right? After John banned you?

at 12:01 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

doom and gloom..nothing like a refreshing debate..I dont see anyone getting injured or hurt..grow up and quit whining ..take your passive agressive personality elsewhere

i happen to like Rob Dicken ..quit being so jealous..

LOL @ban

at 12:02 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

Good post by Losing Season. Time for Dicken and all his alter IDs to just move along.
ST CSA

at 12:02 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

Zippy said...

Rob,

You've insulted me plenty of times. You're right -- it's unwarranted. But you're not leaving, are you?

at 12:03 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

at 12:03 PM

Unknown said...

This blog is almost as good as All My Children, but man is Dad gonna be pissed when he gets back.

at 12:06 PM

madscientist1976 said...

why was everyone so high on belisle? he has never proven himself to be really effeective - he just happened to eat up alot of innnings last year. his ERa was still pretty bad. and this year he did well in several minor league starts but one of those was in Single A another was in AA - of course a major league pitcher is going to be lights-out against 18-yr olds in A-ball. if Belisle has a place on this team its in long relief. Fogg's season isn't over yet. he had a decent second start. his others were pretty bad but he has the experience to bounce back. if not - thats when you bring in Bailey. its just so simple.... yeah right.

at 12:06 PM

Zippy said...

Jack,

I'll never claim to know anything about the Bengals. And I'm proud of that fact.

at 12:06 PM

Rob Dicken said...

Jack, what don't you understand about "dropping the subject?"

I want to talk about the Reds...not how superior you are over me or other people. I stated this 60 posts ago.

Just let it go man!

at 12:06 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

Im sure everyone on here knows me well enough to know I enjoy a good debate, as long as its about baseball. Where someone works, or even where they sat at the game isnt baseball.

Being able to take criticism and defending your beleifs and ideas is part of being a man.

When you have trouble defending your ideas, and resort to insults and personally cutting down someones proffesional life, it becomes very little girl like.

Be men, not little girls.

at 12:08 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

this is the first time in weeks that we have been able to have an honest debate..I dont see anyone getting threatened

you want yo debate baseball lets go

i think everyone was getting tired in having a delayed blog

by the way if that should happen I will open up a Cincinnati Reds Chat on Buzzen .net

john Fay should have a baseball outing for all the bloggers

at 12:09 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin you get into as many fights with other bloggers as anyone else

kevin you can do me a favor though..spell at least at a 6th grade level..its upsetting many of us

at 12:10 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

Be men, not little girls.

kevin please quit insulting your fellow bloggers hunny

at 12:10 PM

Grizzlyfox said...

Wow, you guys are pretty funny. This blog's pretty comical, nice way to get away from the Reds sucking. Seriously, do any of you gain from this? How whacked out do you have to be to think someone has multiple ID's on a blog? And for the love of God Jack was right, arguing with a fool just makes you a bigger fool, so stop arguing with the fool Rob. And yes Jack, I called you a name. Who cares. These comments have gone straight to the crapper anyway.

at 12:12 PM

24/7 said...

stop blaming money. big bob just ate a cool million last night if castro doesn't land somewhere. and that's not 46 mil for a top closer. that's for a roster spot for a guy who they knew was capable of giving up 5 runs and 12 hits in 4 innings.

hamilton was a clubhouse distraction, and far from a safe bet to stay healthy or clean. if he really needed narron, can you count on him for those 30 homers and 100 rbi? it's childish and petulent to keep whining every day, "i wish we kept hamilton". you sound like a kid who's parents traded in your explorer with bad shocks for a spanking new altima. instead of being happy with the upgrade, you ask them every day why they didn't just go spend the money on the altima and keep the explorer.

bailey wasn't ready in spring, and until he gets up here and shows it, he isn't ready. so who does that leave us with? fogg is still in the rotation, belisle is on a longer leash, and affeldt might even get another turn. no thanks, i'll take voltron.

at 12:12 PM

Rob Dicken said...

reds fan of toledo...

I agree with you about Dusty. He has been trying to shake up this lineup. This lineup possibly needs a little more shaking up than what has transpired though.

What could it hurt with a batting order like this against righties:

Hopper/Patterson
Keppinger
BP
Griffey
Votto
Dunn
EE
Bako/Ross
Pitcher

Three lefties in a row would give a right handed pitcher fits!

at 12:13 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

I like all of you..

at 12:15 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

"i think everyone was getting tired in having a delayed blog"

Amen Jack, it was irritating.

Even more irritating than some of your posts! :)

I also think debates are fine, maybe we could figure some unwritten rules, or bloggers etiquette where we limit responses to 4 or 5 posts each. All afternoon is just ponderous.

High on Belisle?
He pitched very well in Louisville and some thaught maybe he just got off to a slow start. Now we know he just cant get Major league hitters out.

at 12:16 PM

Joe said...

Whew, where is the love on this site today?

I would suggest the Big Hurt has more hurt left than Harrison, Freel and possibly a few others on this overly redundant roster.

at 12:17 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

24/7 bob just ate a million.. bob ate 3 million last year and what about stantons 2 million..thats the problem..wasting money poor management

24/7 you hear a snippet that maybe some players were upset with Hamiliton and Narrons brother. Yet..you have no idea if he was a distraction > as a matter of fact..as is the case in Texas..most players on the Reds loved Hamilton, his wife and kids and were pulling for the guy

patterson and hairston are upgrades in centerfield?

at 12:18 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

thank you kevin

at 12:19 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

i told John Fay just to let this blog flow..the internet wont melt

until people start threatening one another with physical harm..he should allow an open debate.

at 12:20 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

we should all meet at the park some weekend..not you Rob Dicken..there are not enough seats for all your personalities..j/k

at 12:21 PM

Another losing season said...

rob dicken...you seem for the most part to make good points and understand baseball more than the average guy. Some, especially the younger guys, probably appreciate your enthusiasm as each new season unfolds.

I've been following baseball longer than I care to admit and have held season tickets to the Reds, Diamondbacks and Orioles. I've seen a lot of baseball. It gives me no pleasure to watch my once great childhood team not only struggle year after year but to not seem to care. For years now, I have not witnessed any intensity, leadership or overt desire in this club .

Guys like me tend to resonate with guys like Jack and CSA because we have seen it time and again. Our disdain for losing and consequent discussion of our beliefs why, does not make us bad guys nor should it ever be cause for someone to say our thoughts are stupid. We've earned the right to be critical.

at 12:21 PM

Anonymous said...

Looks like Fay completed failed to control his kindergarten here...

Wait 'til next year, Reds!

at 12:26 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

losing season..excellent post

i am only in my 30s but I do remember the great Reds teams.

You do get tired of going to the park and leaving once again in the 7th inning knowing that your team is going to lose

Yet..as I stated before..you keep the same personnel..you get the same results

I just want to have a winning organization

at 12:28 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

speaking of kindergarten

we have three politicians running for president of the US and they are a lot worse than us

at 12:28 PM

Rob Dicken said...

another losing season...

I agree with your concerns. But look at it this way...at least you have seen multiple world championships. I have only seen ONE! 1990...that's it!

I know it's hard to remain positive. Believe me on that! There are many holes in this team that need filled.

I agree (to some extent) on a lot of the things that Jack says. But, in reality at this point, there's nothing much to do but wish and hope and play with the cards that we have!

There are many negative things about each and every player. There are also many positive things. I tend to be more on the positive side of things. I look at every positive aspect of the game.

at 12:33 PM

Jon Bachmeyer said...

John,

Please blow this blog up. JackBlueAsh, thinks he runs this blog, can tell you how to run it, he enjoys losing streaks because he can pontificate, its boring. He should get his own one.

at 12:33 PM

jdeezman said...

Sad... and yet it's like coming upon an accident... you just can't look away!

I feel bad for John to ave to come back to this mindless drivel yet again.

I won't be surprised if the blog is shut down when he returns... what asinine people there are.

No one "earns the right to be critical".
You're critical for 2 reasons;

1) You want to change things for the better and can help affect that change by voicing your concerns in a constructive manner.

2) You like to hear yourself piss/moan/complain and will do anything in your power to whine about it to anyone who is within earshot.

What a bunch of pompous peacocks...

at 12:38 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

Some of jacks comments from today:

"travis u remind me of one of those fat girls in HS..quit crying"

"You must not be a very good programmer..or an insignificant one"

"robbie..sorry hun if I hurt your feelings and if u actually think sundays weather was bad..you are a wimp..even julie whom hates the rain toughed out the light dirzzle"

"kevin you can do me a favor though..spell at least at a 6th grade level..its upsetting many of us"

Then has the audacity to say:

"kevin please quit insulting your fellow bloggers hunny"

at 12:47 PM

Cheviot Sports Authority said...

An outfield of Bruce, Hopper and Hamiltion would be quite an upgrade over two dinosaurs and a Baker Boy. Perhaps we could trade Dunn, Griffey, Arroyo, Patterson and Freel for Hamilton.

While I am in a trading mood how about Belisle, Fogg, Hatteberg, Gonzalez, Coffey and Hairston for Jorge Cantu. You know he is hitting .314 and makes less that $1mil.
ST CSA

at 12:56 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

12:07 AM Blogger robdicken said...

I agree with the move. What's there to complain about? We went with the depth that we have. We replaced a guy that ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT hit with someone that can come off the bench and have a spot start and CAN HIT

since when can hairston hit

at 12:57 PM

Anonymous said...

What did John Fay say about attacking other posters? Seriously guys....everybody here is behaving like children. Insults and the like are not the stuff of which a healthy debate is based upon. I would not be surprised if the ability to post is taken away when Mr. Fay returns. Rightly so, unfortunatly. He doesn't need this aggrivation.

On a Reds note, I do think it is time to cut some of the vets that are not performing loose. Let the kids play. I am not ready to give up on the season, but the kids will do a better job.

Sorry for the novel.

at 12:59 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin..lets move on and discuss baseball kevin do u feel the need to be popular on an internet blog?

at 1:00 PM

Another losing season said...

IMO Hairston is abysmal. I caught quite a bit of his act when living in Baltimore and he is best described as insignificant. The fact that he has been ripping AAA pitching doesn't mean a whole lot. That said, I can understand giving him a chance to see if he can convert his AAA success to the big leagues. History however would tell us otherwise.

at 1:00 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

gregg..and what gives you the right to lecture and attack us? HUH?

at 1:01 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

i dont understand Dustys fascination with such marginal players like Hairston and patterson

at 1:02 PM

Will T. said...

Dicken & Jack, you two are prime examples of why people just read John's info and not the bloggers comments. What does it matter what one of you thinks about the other. Be the bigger person and forget about it.

John, this is rediculous. I tend to not post messages anymore because of stupid junk like this. Thanks for all of the info though, it is helpful to us Red fans who aren't able to go to any games. Just because we are unable to go (I live in Arkansas so it is impossible for me), doesn't make me any less of a Reds fan than anybody else in here. People have implied that long enough now.

Thanks John.

at 1:02 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

Hairston can hit, just like Belilse can pitch....in Louisville.

Krivskys "big move" was only half right.

Kepp
BP
Votto
Griff
Dunn
EE
Bruce
Bako
P

at 1:04 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

will... lets not belittle and lecture other chatters

at 1:08 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

John Fay is a good and decent guy..he is going through a great deal right now with the passing of his brother and the last thing he needs are supposed adults crying at him every other minute/ Leave the man be and handle your own issues.

I find this blog enjoyable, the debate lively and I like my fellow bloggers..We dont care where u live whether it be Arkansas or Florida

at 1:10 PM

Brendan T said...

Jack,

What's stopping you from creating your own chat on buzzen.net? I think I speak for everyone on here saying that I wish you would. Either that or you, CSA and rob can all exchange your email addresses and the three can have your childish arguments where the rest of us don't have to read them.

at 1:13 PM

Another losing season said...

jdeezman...I would disagree with your assessment.

Any Hamilton County taxpayer or season ticket holder has earned the right to be critical of both the Reds and Bengals.

See how nicely I responded to your post without getting personal even though you called me a pompous peacock? It can be done.

at 1:14 PM

pootyhead said...

Anyone else notice CSA showed up under JackBlueAsh handle? Look at his 12:02 and 12:03 comments. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our multi-i.d blooger!

at 1:16 PM

Brendan T said...

Nice catch, pooty.

at 1:17 PM

Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

57 posts today and counting jba...impressive

at 1:19 PM

Mr. Doom and Gloom said...

of course, that 57 didn't count the ones he posted while i was typing or the csa posts...you've been outed jba/csa

at 1:21 PM

Another losing season said...

rob dicken...how do you italicize another posters remarks to copy into your post? I can't figure it out. Would you mind telling me how?

at 1:23 PM

Tomas said...

Well said, robdicken. The only other factor is these weird decisions is the scouting - Krivsky, as he has said publicly, depends on his staff to tell him what to do. Seems like the staff needs some new glasses; how many chances are they going to give Belisle? Marty summed it up last year: the guy has no baseball IQ. Bring up Homer if he's learned to throw downhill, or Tom Shearn, until someone better is ready.

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Tomas said...

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firefly118 said...

CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?

A post from a week or so ago stated, If the Reds wait until after June 10th (date?) to call up Jay Bruce, they will get an extra year or two before he is arbitration eligible. Is this even close to being true, because I can't think of any other reason not to have him up here in CF!

If Dusty doesn't get off of this Patterson kick, he could be with his old friend Bonds....that is looking for work.

at 1:36 PM

KevinFtMyers said...

I may be wrong but it appears Jack copy and pasted CSA's comment. See 11:49

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JackBlueAsh said...

lets stick to baseball

at 1:41 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

pooty you just made a fool ouutta yourself..continue

at 1:43 PM

Brendan T said...

Firefly- if Bruce was called up now, he could be considered a "Super Two" as far as MLB arbitration goes. Now I don't claim to know the "Super Two" rules, but if you google it, you might be able to understand it. It made my head hurt reading about it.

at 1:43 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

the problem with this team is that WK thinks it can win now..it cant

get rid of most of the players that have contributed to the losing ..bring up the youngsters..articulate to the fans the direction you are taking and sit back

at 1:44 PM

JackBlueAsh said...

kevin u follow me the closest..I appreciate your love and obsession..ty for clarifying that post issue

at 1:44 PM

Brendan T said...

Kevin, that doesn't explain his 12:03pm comment though. Unless he's going third-person on us. Brendan likes that!

at 1:45 PM

omnired said...

I think Hamilton had to be traded because Johnny Narron wasn't coming back. I think he and the Reds both knew that if Narron wasn't with him, then he wouldn't make it through last season. Without Narron, he wouldn't make it through this season.

at 1:46 PM

Another losing season said...

TRUE or FALSE

One evening, Lee May hit four home runs at Crosley Field.

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JackBlueAsh said...

brendan my 12:03 post was copied from another chatter..that help you out?

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JackBlueAsh said...

omnired..thats stoopid Im sure that Narrons brother would have been more than happy to stay with the Reds and counsel Hamilton if necessary

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Frank Robinson's Ghost said...

10:39 -- Another Losing Season --

Outstanding thread recap!! I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes. "The Chewbacca defense" -heheh. And the thread only got better after that.

I think the moderation problem resulted from John being away and his substitutes not knowing the rules. With a bit of luck -- some IP addresses may get blocked afther this.

at 1:53 PM

Will T. said...

"will... lets not belittle and lecture other chatters"

Jack, what do you think you have done all of this time? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. Get over yourself man, you are no better than anyone else in this blog. If you think that was belittling you, then I apologize. But it was the truth.

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JackBlueAsh said...

what question

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JackBlueAsh said...

IP addresses can be changed instantly ya lil sissy

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Brendan T said...

thats stoopid?

I think I've got it figured out, Jack.

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JackBlueAsh said...

will grow up read your own post you hypocrite

at 1:54 PM

omnired said...

So if the Reds losing is the fault of Dunn and Griffey, who do they blame for all the losing in Chicago (besides Bartman and the goat)? Sosa? Grace? Sandberg? Dawson?

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JackBlueAsh said...

brendan god bless ya

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JackBlueAsh said...

a large part of the "reds losing" is the fact that we are paying over 20 million dollars a year to those marginal players

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Another losing season said...

frank robinsons ghost...thank you. I try.

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JackBlueAsh said...

can we please focus on baseball and quit attacking other bloggers

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Rob Dicken said...

Everyone, please move on from the comments earlier. I have!

There's no sense in arguing with someone that is always right and that throws personal insults to get ahead in a debate.

My debate with him went from me talking about raising young pitchers to him calling me a liar, loser, unemployed, etc.

Anyway, I am happy with the Hamilton trade. Volquez has got an awesome arm, and the kid has unlimited potential!

Pending on Hamilton playing more than 90 games, how many games do you think he would win for the Reds SPECIFICALLY?

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JackBlueAsh said...

I am going to the game tonite..how many of you die hard fans are gonna be there spending your money for the team like me?

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JackBlueAsh said...

dicken a player like hamilton has the potential to impact far many more games than a Volquez

as far as insulting comments other posters told u how they feel about you..dont play innocent

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JackBlueAsh said...

wonders if the great Ken Griffey will ever play a full season for the Reds

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Cheviot Sports Authority said...

LMAO: I do not attack fellow bloggers, but since I have been accused of being Jack Blue Ash by a couple of geniuses. I will point out to 'Pooty' and 'Brendan T' that your "proof" is just Jack quoting one one my previous posts. Actually, It gives me a good chuckle that I am able to annoy you so much, sometimes without even posting. LOL

By the way, counting this post, I have made a total of 3 posts on this thread, out of what 160 or so. Leave me out of your petty arguments.
St CSA

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omnired said...

Those marginal players were part of the 2005 team that led the league in scoring. Their production has remained fairly consistent since that season.

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JackBlueAsh said...

rob..I especially liked those seasons when Kennie played 50 and 60 games for us

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JackBlueAsh said...

that 2005 team played under .500 baseball so what

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gonz said...

My condolences on your loss, John.

And Jack, how effective can a player like Hamilton be if he gets injured halfway through the season.

Bottom line: The team needed pitching. The Rangers wanted Hamilton. Both teams have benefited. It's a good trade, so far.

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Rob Dicken said...

Jack, Volquez is winning games for the Reds. What would a rotation consisting of Fogg AND Belisle do? We would have a losing record, Hamilton or not.

Pitching and defense win games, Jack. We've complained for years that we didn't have the pitching to win ball games, and now we do.

Now we're complaining about not having the hitting, when we obviously have plenty of hitting to win ball games. It's kind of a double standard.

Our hitters just AREN'T hitting. They will! Patience is a virtue!

Hamilton has all the potential in the world, but you're regarding him like he's the next Babe Ruth or something, and he's just not.

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Will T. said...

Hahahah, Jack you are funny. To call me a hypocrite is hilarious. I am not even going to argue with you anymore. You could obviously argue with a brick wall. You have a great day Jack, because I am through with you. It is not worth any of my time to sit here and argue with someone who does the exact same things that he bashes other people for doing. You have a nice day Jack, and my apology for being a "hypocrite" and "belittling" you.

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pootyhead said...

JBa got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Who's the fool again? JBA

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JackBlueAsh said...

brian you mean like kennie griffey?

rob do u not read my posts..I am glad we have Volquez..I am not happy that we have to trade players like Hamilton to get pitching.. Money also buys pitching

Can you imagine an outfield of Bruce, Hamilton, Griffey and still having a pitcher like Volquez.

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Will T. said...

robdicken, I fully agree with you on the Josh Hamilton issue. It was a deal that they Reds had to make. Volquez is turning out to be a decent pitcher. Sure it is still early but 2-0 with a sub-2.00 ERA is pretty darn good for the start of the season. Belisle and Fogg in the SAME rotation would be an even bigger disaster than what people think is happening now.

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Red Faced said...

We traded Hamilton?

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Jeff said...

This appears to be beyond your grasp, but I’ll try. A trade is a two-way exchange. The other team has a say in what they are willing to take for the player you are trying to get from them. Texas wanted Hamilton in exchange for Volquez. You have to give up something to get something. Does that make sense?

Also, attending a lot of games doesn't mean you have a good understanding of baseball. You demonstrate this through most of your posts.

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Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Yeah we traded Hamilton.
We also released Jorge Cantu so we could make room on the roster for Sergio Valenzuela (who is long gone already). But we had to do that because Cantu would cost the Reds $6mil if we kept him. That can't be right, can it? He is currently making less than a mil and hitting .314. Could be a little better option off the bench than say Freel or Hairston. The Amazing Krivsky strikes again.

Anybody know what Hamilton is hitting? My guess he could pitch as well as Belisle or Fogg when he wasn't in CF. But then there is a certain doctor on here who knows for a fact that Hamilton will break down because he was a druggie a few years back.
ST CSA

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Brendan T said...

The Hamilton-Volquez trade isn't what's hurting this team. It's obvious that not having Cantu is what has cost them of all of these games.

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Red Faced said...

So let me get this straight. John Fay is away because his brother passed away. I'm sorry to hear this John, Glod bless you all.

Moderation gets turned off to help speed up the posts in John's absence.

An individual or two (no name's here) are absolutely destroying the blog by running everyone else down and posting as quickly as they can type.

That my friends is the absolute lowest form of respect I've seen yet on this blog. If you have no more respect than that for John and his family than that then there's no way I'll ever take anything you say with a grain of salt EVER. UNBELIEVABLE

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Jon Bachmeyer said...

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Cheviot Sports Authority said...

I am so looking forward to next season with no Ken Griffey Jr and Adam Dunn and NO Amazing Krivsky.

By the way, where are all those fans who were going to pack the stadium to see Griffey when he got close to 600?
Looks like everyone is waiting for 599 before they buy a ticket. What a windfall for the Reds. Of course it may not happen til next season. BRILLIANT!
ST CSA

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