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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Friday, May 16, 2008

Minor matters, Super 2 explanation

Here is the rule on Super 2s from Players Association website:

Q: When does a player become eligible for salary arbitration?
A: A player with three or more years of service, but less than six years, may file for salary arbitration. In addition, a player can be classified as a "Super Two" and be eligible for arbitration with less than three years of service. A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.

Because of the 17 percent clause, the date on Super 2s changes year-to-year. Homer Bailey, by the way, got 41 days of service last year.

From Jamie Ramsey:

The cold Kentucky rain came pouring down in Louisville last night…the Bats and Yanks will play 2 tonight…Homer Bailey expected to start…Chattanooga slams Mississippi…B.J. Szymanski with a 4-run homer…Tonys Gutierrez again reaches base safely (23 straight games)…Sam Lecure sharp in his 7.0 innings (4h, 1r, 2bb, 6k)…Sarasota loses a tough one to Clearwater…Travis Wood outstanding (7ip, 2h, 1r, 3bb, 3k)…Todd Frazier homers…Dayton loses to Lansing…the Dragons went 2-for-16 with runners on…Kevyn Feiner hits one over the fence…Phil Valiquette magnifique out of the bullpen.

Jay Bruce........... LOU......... .366
Tonys Gutierrez CHA......... .350
Chris Valaika..... CHA......... .337
Andy Phillips..... LOU......... .327
Todd Frazier...... SAR......... .317
Keltavious Jones DAY......... .315
Mike DeJesus..... SAR......... .312
Shaun Cumberland CHA.... .311
Justin Turner..... CHA........ .309
Juan Francisco... SAR......... .308


at 3:15 PM Blogger Will T. said...

John, with all of the talk about trading Griffey and/or Dunn, what about another deal with Texas. They need outfield, DH, and 1B help and Dunn could help with one or two of them. There are many good catching prospects in Texas. Salty isn't going anywhere. What about Taylor Teagarden or Max Ramirez? Ramirez is in AA but is hitting .379 with 8HR and 26RBI (he is 23) and Teagarden is off to a solid start in AAA (he is 24). With the way Johjima is playing in Seattle (not to mention his age), they probably want to hang on to Clement. Why not get Teagarden or Ramirez from Texas? What do you think about this, John?

at 3:16 PM Blogger Big Red Machine said...

I really appreciate Jamie's update, but could he provide something other than batting avg, maybe OBP and OPS?

at 3:19 PM Blogger gm said...

.366 and your still playing triple a...need i say more

at 3:26 PM Blogger Gale said...

I didn't really understand this rule; but if the Reds are trying to limit Homer's pitching in the Major Leagues to prevent Arbritration then that is just sad. This is preventing him the opportunity from signing a long term deal for $MM with the Reds or somewhere else. And given the risk of injury with pitchers it makes it even more sad.

Bring Bailey up so we can win, and he can make the money he deserves.

at 3:38 PM Blogger Arden Dulou said...

So, following the 86 game rule (and a 'day of service' equals a day a game is played) and calcualted back from Sept 28th puts Super 2 day on June22nd. If off days are considered 'day of service' the date moves into July.

Here is a question... does Phillips still need to hit the 86 game quota or is his career days of service already ticking towards arbitration?

at 3:43 PM Blogger Mr. Redlegs said...

How 'bout this: Homer Bailey ain't good enough yet to be a big-league pitcher.

That's why he's not with the Reds. Fairly simple.

at 4:07 PM Blogger Gunner said...

As long as Jr, Dunn & CP are on this team, you wont see Bruce up. Do I agree with that? Heck no! No one is excited about Jr's run to 600 ... as shown by the overwhelming number of empty seats at Reds games this year. Slap Bruce in the starting lineup everyday ... I bet that changes ... quick! Dunn is in such a ugly slump that he has as good a chance of hitting the ball with his eyes closed as he does with them open. We are one season over due for a youth movement. Dunn & Jr should have been moved last year or during the off season when they still had some value. Our OF should have been Freel/Hopper, Bruce & any decent RH hitting vet that can hit lefties and play LF and not look like he is trying to do it with boxing gloves on. Patterson is a waste of roster space. Three catchers? Pulease! Hatteburg ... nice guy, bad decision to pick up his option. Or, if you planned on keeping him, then they should have shifted Joey V. to left permanently or at least for this season. Our bench players? (Insert obnoxious sound here) No pop, no patience, no plate discipline = very poor production. Ack! ... no wonder no one is coming to the games.

at 4:08 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the comment about the Super 2 rule is more about Jay Bruce IMO. Everybody is guessing that Jay will be coming up in the next few weeks. Why that time-frame...because of the Super 2 status.

In regards to Homer...I think the Reds want to give Matt Belisle one more shot to see if he can turn things around. If not, they've got Homer waiting in the wings. They've currently got Homer and Matt pitching on the same schedule, so if they decide to make the change, it'll be a smooth transition. Although I'm sure Homer's recent comment won't make the F.O. rush his advancement. Bone-headed move on Homer's part IMO.

at 4:42 PM Blogger Ol' Timey Redsfan said...

John are any of those players you list a right handed power bat? After Bruce are there any other out fielders who are close to being Major league ready and who are right handed?

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