Will the Reds shoot high?
Less than 24 hours after firing Jerry Narron -- the relief to a lot of Reds fans -- the fan angst has shifted to the Pete Mackanin, the guy the Reds named to replace him.
Mackanin isn't exactly a household name -- well, before last night you could have asked 100 people on Fountain Square who he was and chances are no one would have known of him.
He's well known in baseball circles. He has a nice resume. And Wayne Krivsky thinks he's the man for the job from within the organization. I would gone with Billy Hatcher.
But the larger point is the Reds have to make a concentrated effort to get the best candidates available in. I think Bob Castellini understands that. I think he also understands that the fans are willing to give him a mulligan for 2007 -- if the club hires an established winner as the permanent replacement for Narron.
Anything less than hiring a Joe Girardi, Tony LaRussa or Ozzie Guillen isn't going to sit well with the fans. That's not Pete Mackanin's fault. That's just the way it is.
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Ozzie Guillen?
In Cincinnati? I live in Chicago and I'm not sure Cincinnati would embrace Ozzie Guillen.
John
what do you think about Tom Kelly
would he want the job?
Anyone see this?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/6C4DBCDB0225B1B78625730B001205EF?OpenDocument
C'mon, his resume stinks. Everyone knew it was a mistake to extend Narron's contract after they got out to a good start last year. I think they would have brought Pinnela back, had that not happened. Castellini was all over him after he got fired from Tampa Bay. Now we're stuck with minor league management again. I hope they seriously look at Brenly or Girardi, but I'd even take the totally out managed by Mike Scioscia in the World Series Dusty Baker. Give me some one with Major League experience, not someone who interim managed the last place Pirates that Krivsky deems "good resume".
I agree with your assessment on hiring an established winner in 2008. However, by hiring Mackanin for the interim, you get a fresh face in the dugout and clubhouse to evaluate this team with no pre-conceived notions or loyalties to the players on the roster. Hatcher, who may turn out someday to be a good manager, may be too close to the players to give a un-biased opinion in his evaluations. After watching the press conference, I too believe Castellini & Krivsky will be very diligent in selecting the next manager. I don't believe they can afford to make another mistake without really loosing the fans and players. Castellin all but confirmed that in his comment about being very involved in the selection process. My only disappointment was the lack of a difinitive answer to your question at the end about which direction this team is headed. Although I suppose they may not wish to tip their hand with potential trade partners later this month. John, any thoughts on the current coaches,all staying or some being replaced?
One at a time:
Don't know if Cincinnati would embrace Ozzie but he'd interesting to cover.
Don't know on Kelly. Heard he is happliy retired.
Might be right about Hatcher. I think the majority of coaches will be here for the interim, although Mackanin knows people in the organization. Could see a promotion from the minors.
I know a people are saying Joe Girardi is waiting for the Yankee job to become available. I live in Evansville, In. hometown of Don Mattingly. The word around here is, he is the one in line to replace Torre. He doesn't have any manager experience but it seems Steinbreiner has confidence he could do the job. Maybe the Reds should give Mattingly an interview. Donnie baseball in Cincy?
Managers mean very little to the success of a baseball team, maybe 5-10 games plus or minus.
LaRussa's not coming, Guillen's not coming. A regular, run of the mill manager is just fine. It's players that make a difference, not the manager.
JDee
Has Brennley had much experience playing in the pros? Would the players respond to him? I wonder if someone with Cincinnati passion such as Ron Oester or Dave Collins would be interested. I don't know if O has managed yet, but I heard Dave Collins worked miracles in the Carolina league, winning everything during his time as a manager there with the Rockies system! Also, DC and O. seemed to be the heart behind the Reds amazing 1999 season. Dave Collins has first hand knowledge of managing with and against many of the MLB players who were in the Carolina league when his passion and leadership led his teams toward anniliating the rest of the league! Castellini doesn't have to "break the bank" to have a successful team led by a motivating, passionate, stellar manager! (We know from the Bowden debacle, that if Oester's learned from past mistakes, he will take any salary offered, and Dave Collins was the lowest paid coach in baseball in 1999!) Why not pursue those local options and have more money to spend on pitching?!
John, please remind Wayne that Joe Torre's wife is from Cincy and he owns a house here. Torre will most certainly be fired and will be available.
Oh Good Lord - Ozzie Guillen!?!?
This fan (and certain media members) on a "name" manager makes little sense to me. George Anderson was a relative unknown when he was hired by the Reds. John Macnamara did pretty well, and his pedigree was mixed, at best, before taking over for Sparky. Lou Pinella had never managed before.
The point is that the Reds need to conduct a REAL search, with interviews, background checks, hypothetical questions, personality tests - whatever a $200M company does when hiring its COO.
Not just get caught up in what Mackanin does over 80 games, or what guy Joe Sweatsock (TM Monty Burns) has heard of.
No, Cincinnati would not embrace Ozzie Guillen. Marge Schott barely survived some of her own comments. The Reds need his fire, but not a wildfire!
No Joe Girardi, please. Don't forget about the ex-Cub factor. Not so good. O.K. call me superstitious. In baseball you have to be...a little.
LaRussa? Ahhhhhhh......no. He's probably the best field tactician standing and leads active coaches in wins (I believe). His experiments with pitchers wouldn't fit here (I believe).
Bob Brenly? No. Don't forget Arizonas slide in 2004 when he lost some key players.
Don't know who it is but Cincinnati needs someone who can turn silk out of a sow's ear in the bull pen. Think Dusty Baker or someone like him.
Help me out here, folks.
Agree with you on Hatcher. He is so fun to watch, even as a first base coach. He genuinely cares about this team and the players.
As much as I like Griffey and Dunn, one of them (or both) has to go. I don't know if Griffey is a cancer in the clubhouse or not, but he does garner way too much attention. Dunn just sucks.
Yes, please not Ozzie Guillen. He's a racist pig.
Seriously, what is the lovefest with Girardi? One year does not make a manager and that guy routinely ticked off management and some players. As indicated, he had a young team with little expectations, and we want him to get tough with veterans? Let George and the Yankees have him and expose him as their puppet.
Tom Kelly? Why would he retire from Minnesota, where he had total comfort, and want to come handle the Reds?
Agree with Hatcher as the choice. Or, bring back Davey Johnson.
Where is Cito Gaston. Unless he is totally out of baseball, he should be getting some calls, shouldn't he?
John, I'm VERY disappointed with that sham of a news conference. It sounded like a wake for Narron! I thought he died or something. Neither Krivsky or Uncle Bob apologized for this crap they've given us this season. Bob said he was disappointed but stopped short of apologizing to Reds fans. I have absolutely NO confidence that these guys will get it right.
Tampa Ken,
How about Davey Johnson? He handles pitchers extremely well and he wins everywhere he goes.
All I can say is "Please don't let it be Tony LaRussa!" Ask any Cardinals fan and they will tell you that despite the winning, they don't like him. We've had enough "excitement" as it is without having the pitcher bat 8th, using the entire bullpen in one game or some of his other "strategies".
Chris @RLN - Pinella was the Yankees manager before he was ours. I remember him from a 1987 Topps baseball card.
And I certainly wouldn't trust Dusty Baker around Homer Bailey, after seeing how he handled Prior and Wood.
Always enjoy the idiocy of those who say Dusty Baker broke down Wood and Prior, considering Wood broke down in '99, rushed back too soon from Tommy John and was actually ruined by Don Baylor, not Dusty Baker.
Prior was a guy a lot of teams were scared of out of the draft because of his jerky arm motion and the amazing number of innings (130 his senior season with pitch counts in the 130s!) he pitched in college and the offseasons. Still, he was unquestionably a pitcher you took a chance on, going No. 2 in the draft.
But he pitched just 211 innings his first year under Baker, in 2003, when they were chasing the pennant. He finally broke down in 2004 and has pitched just 60 games since.
Look at the numbers. The Cubs' bullpen had five guys with more than 60 appearances in 2003, so while everyone yaps about a couple of long starts by their best pitchers to get them to the playoffs, now a few dimbulbs claim Baker ruined those pitchers.
Odd, you never heard such about Baker with the Giants--other than he won with inferior overall talent and the players LOVE playing for him everywhere he goes.
He's probably not the right guy for the Reds--or maybe he is. But if your defense is he ruined Prior and Wood, find another defense. Those guys were walking MASH units waiting to happen.
I think they did not give the job to Hatcher because if the team played over .500 ball, they might have to give him the job for good. That happened with Miley and Narron, and they didn't want to go down that road.
bobby valentine won here. he wins in japan. great hire. dusty baker would be an absolute disaster. girardi will wait and see if he gets yankees job. valentine is a winner with the demeanor we need.
What about Larkin?
Someone mentioned that Managers mean very little to a team? Then why are they paid $1,000,000 to $3,000,000 a year. Narron was making $600,000. Managers make a huge difference. When a team plays 162 games a year how you manage your players, motivate them, keep them fresh, not too mention game management ...all if this is very important. The talent difference between the Reds and other teams that are playing .500 or better ball is not vast.
Watching from afar (Texas), I find it interesting that Larkin's name does not seem to have come up at all.
I think LaRussa would be awesome here. Imagine, the first professional baseball team managed by the guy who invented baseball!
Sign me up for a six pack... of Burger beer.
How about Pete Rose as the hitting coach? I'd live to see Tony Perez at 1st Base and move Billy Hatcher to 3rd Base (wonder what kind of new moves he'd make for signs?). Roger Clemens was born in Ohio; think he'd come over as pitching coach? Realistically, the Big Red Machine guys are too far out of touch with this crew, I'm sad to say. Joe Morgan would be a great manager, I believe. I think the St. Louis connection is your best scenario and Krivsky, believe it or not, stays. Please, not Girardi! No ex-Cubs, man. You don't know...
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