Castellini: Krivsky's safe
There's been a lot of speculation nationally about the possibility of former St. Louis GM Walt Jocketty ending up with the Reds, given the that Reds CEO Bob Castellini was once a limited partner in St. Louis and he's known to admire the work Jocketty did with the Cardinals.
But it's not going to happen.
"Wayne Krivsky is our GM. Period," Castellini said Monday through a spokesman.
Krivsky has one year remaining on his contract. The Reds are 152-172 in his two years as GM.
Jocketty was dismissed after the season by the Cardinals.
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Post a Comment*Great move. Make Pete the Manager and we can suffer through another losing season. Way to step up to the plaet Bob. Go Bearcats
Well, what did you expect? Especially after Jocketty said no thanks.
Or perhaps Jocketty replied when Castellini called, "Bob Who?"
Whew. What a relief that Krivsky is SAFE.
So is Castellini's money.
And the rest of the National League Central is SAFE from the Reds next year.
I bought a Yankee cap this weekend.
Thanks for the memories, Reds.
MAJOR LEAGUE baseball, anyone?
Jocketty can still become President of the Reds with Krivsky remaining as GM.
Maybe it's out of the same playbook where we heard something along the lines of "Narron's our manager. Period."
So the little short man with white hair, a round face and little budda-belly on the elevator at 312 Elm on his way to the 25h floor was not Jocketty???
I really hope the Reds paid very close attention to the Chicago Cubs.
The Cubs spent $400,000,000 (when Zambrano's salary is included)and bought a big name manager, and were swept out of the division series by a team with a $52,000,000 payroll.
The two teams in the NLDS have payrolls in the 50s. It's not about buying big names and spending money, it's about building a successful team.
That said, I don't know that Krivsky can build a successful team. Certainly he made some good moves but the Reds didn't win. But I hope they don't think they can get a Joe Torre or Tony LaRussa and everything will just magically gel.
Ask Jim Hendry and Sweet Lou.
That's an excellent point. The thought the graphic we ran on the front page of the sports today spoke volumes. The Reds have a higher payroll than three of the teams still playing -- the Indians, Rockies and Diamondbacks.
Player developmemt is the way to go in this market. The problem is it takes at least three years to see if a GM is effective on that account.
Considering that 400 million the Cubs spent is spread out over the next 8-10 years it seems to me that the Cubs have the same amount of time to prove its worthiness; not just one season.
And my money says that the Cubs record over that time will most likely be much better than the Reds.
And while having a quality name GM, expensive roster, and manager doesn't insure an immediate world series winner, it does tend to insure that your team will be much more productive and entertaining than the garbage we've been akin to over the last decade!
If you owned a multi-million dollar business would you rather have two yahoos with no experience running it for minimum wage, or would you rather get somebody who can make your product grow??
As long as Krivsky and whomever his whipping boy turns out to be, this team will never compete.
It's that simple.
This isn't the time to dink around, the Brewers are getting better and have a ton of talent, the Cubs are not done spending, and the Cardinals and Houston have shown in the past they are willing to spend in order to do it right.
If BC wants to stick with the status quo, don't expect us to be in the top half of the division for quite some time.
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT KURT GIBSON AS A MANAGER? WHOEVER HAS THE FORSIGHT FIRST TO SEE THAT THAT GUY WILL BE A STRONG MANAGER WILL MAKE A GREAT CHOICE.
If you look at the past 10 years you will always get a few lower payroll teams in the playoffs. But when the playoffs end 9 times out of 10 you will have a much higher payroll team win it all. It looks like John and the other media type will be giving the Reds another 5 year pass so they can build from within. What a joke. Another decade of losing. So the nice new ballpark that they got for next to nothing can house a bunch of low priced losers. Sounds great. Great plan. Why don't they just play their games at UC and charge 5 bucks then? And when they are good they can charge full price at GABP. Don't give the Reds organization any more ideas on how to be cheap. They have plenty on their own.
The Indians, Rockies, and D-backs also don't have a bunch of 40 year old washed-up relievers or a right fielder with the range and speed of a turtle holding back the young studs in the organization.
I agree, we don't need the high priced players of Griffey or Dunn, but evidently Krivsky's not smart enough to let the youth take over like they did in AZ, Colorado, and Cleveland.
If the Reds don't make a run at Davey Johnson for manager, they are fools.
I love how Jocketty is regarded as a genius... It's classic.
PAUL ONEILL FOR MGR !!!!!!
What youth?
Arizona, Cleveland, Colorado and Milwaukee are loaded with talent that took years to draft and cultivate, along a couple of shrewd trades, to pull together.
The Reds have Bailey, they have Cueto, they have Bruce, and at the start of 2006 nary a one was above Class A.
Gee, compare apples to apples, not oranges to stupidity. How many times does it have to be pointed out to some of you that this organization is just now starting to pull its development system together.
I like the Kirk Gibson idea but he's always wanted to stay close to home in Arizona.
Kirk Gibson close to home in Arizona? He is from Michigan and I know he owns property in Michigan that he hunts with David Wells in. Maybe he would like a Midwest gig. Someone call Bob and Wayne and let them know.
However I also like the Paul O'Neill or maybe a Barry Larkin as a possible manager.
There goes Redlegs again; apologizing for Krivsky.
Votto was ready in July, he didn't get here until September. Bruce was ready in September, and by all accounts it appears Krivsky doesn't want anything to do with him until 2009. Keppinger should have stayed up here in May, but no, he was sent back down for no reason.
And why?? So we can cling onto our senior citizen players of Hatty, Griffey, and Castro.
At the very least Hatty should have been traded for a prospect or two in July, only Krivsky didn't have the wherewithal to figure that one out, though I'm sure Redlegs will tell us how nobody wanted him.
If you want to build from within it starts by opening up the positions that your senior citizens and/or high priced players are taking; i.e.) Dunn, Griffey, Hatty (which we've already discussed), et al.
Arizona Fall League starts tomorrow. LH Tyler Pelland (turned 24 today) is there after finishing very strong as a relief pitcher at Louisville. What are his chances of shoring up the bullpen next year?
My guess is that most of the folks on here that want to change every 2 years have done the same with jobs, girlfiends, and wives.
How much happiness has that brought them? They can't bring themselves to sign a name to their posts.
I hate to always hear what "they say." Put your name down, then we can debate.
BTW, I agree with keeping Krivsky. He might lack a little in the PR area, and in dealing with the media, but he has improved the team in several areas in two years, despite the record this year.
By the way. How does anon know Votto was ready early? How do you know he is ready yet? He may be, but none of us will know till we get a much larger sample. Same was said of EE last year, Bailey this year, and whats his name at 3rd three years ago!
i agree totally that the reds should ship out the older players that are holding back the young, promising players from getting major league experience. i think that if we are looking to build a team, let's do it right. i can suffer through another bad year or two to see these young players turn into an actual team. griffey is a star, but is not nearly as productive as his salary and i love hatty, but i love votto's potential more. let's get young because the reds have finally gotten their farm system to start developing talent and i'm excited to see it.
Nice way to reward Pete Mac by nickle and diming him down a pay grade or two by changing his salary back to that of an advance scout instead of his interim manager pay. That is the reason right there that this joke of an organization will never contend for another championship! What a joke. That makes Marge Schott look un-cheap...and that aint easy!
Again, Mr. Castellini shows why this team will never win under his majority ownership. Griffey will never be traded even though it would make the club better. But he puts butts in the seats and money in Mr. Castellini's pocket. So there will be no trade. I can see Hamilton, Phillips, or even Jay Bruce being traded for a couple of mediocre pitchers ("The Trade") but never Griffey or any other trade that makes the team better. Get ready for another losing season in 2008, with Pete at the helm and Krisky as the GM. Unless changes are made soon the Reds will not be a winner for the next decade. Mark it down! The great Reds fans deserve much better. Oh yes, I love Mr Redlegs, I don't care what your ideas are he always knows better. It is great having someone to tell us all how wrong we are and how right he is. God Bless him! It must be tough knowing more then everyone else and having to put up with all of us dummies! This is the best Reds Blog on the net. Keep up the good work Mr. Fay!
He's not our manager anymore. He was our interim for the remainder of the season. I could be wrong, but isn't the season over??
I'd be willing to bet that that was even worked out and known about before Mack even managed his first game.
And how will we ever know if the young guys are ready if we don't open up a position for them?
Good thing Arizona and Milwaukee aren't as scared of youth as some of you.
And the reason we have to switch managers every 2 years is because we're hiring them from Goodwill.
Bring in an experienced manager who knows what he's doing and maybe we won't have to hire a new one due to the old one's failure every other other year.
Duh.
moogvTo all those who don't like the Reds,please quit posting about them then. Go watch your Bearcat football(since you've probably just jumped on their bandwagon and will jump off soon after). Take your Yankee hat and enjoy them somewhere else. No, there's nothing wrong with critizing this organization, but to whine and cry like a three year old is enough. If they make you so miserable move on. Take Sam Wyches' advice and go "tee 'em up". Let us who still care and devote way too much time to the team fret about their direction!
And John again has it right. Until we draft develop and promote within we aren't going to be making any noise in October.
Brian S has it right. I too could go through a year of two of development and watch this team grow. Its kinda sad that the Marlins have won the series twice and Arizona has a shot of doing it this year. Imagine how a Cubs fan feels!
It's truly a joy to read everyone bangin' on the Reds to spend money,but a second later they are complaining about the high priced guys we have already. Talk about your sandbaggers! Geesh get a clue people!
The complaint regarding money is that the money should be spent on pitching, NOT 2 boat anchors in the outfield.
That's not called sandbagging, that's called SPEND THE FREAKING MONEY WISELY for a change!
Gotta love the people though who whine and complain about the people who whine and complain.
We got a bunch of fools on here.
Kirk Gibson? Are you kidding me? How much managerial experience does he have? Even at the Major league level? Zero!! Less than one! If we're going to hire someone with this much experience as a Major League manager, I would rather hire Ron Oester or Rickey Henderson.
Counting Dunn as one of the "old" players? He's not even 30 yet! Not to mention the 4 consecutive years of 40 homers and 90-100+ RBIs. Gee, if that's the kind of old player holding prospects back, I think I can bear it a little while longer.
Davey Johnson? Give me a ferluckin break! Haven't we learned out lesson yet? Johnson took the Mets to the series in 86, sure. But by 88 the Mets were miserable and constantly at eachother's throats. One more year and Johnson was gone----replaced by Bud Harrelson. Wow, how bad must things have been where they would consider Harrelson an upgrade over Johnson? Probably the same thing that made the Reds think Ray Knight was an upgrade. Or the Orioles to think Sam Perlozzo was an upgrade. Yea, you can have Johnson----and then you'll get to continue your self-righteous bashing here on the posts.
Paul O'Neill? He'd never manage. He doesn't have the right temperment. He'd blame himself more than anyone if the Reds lose. However (and let me capitalize this for emphasis) HE WOULD MAKE AN EXCELLENT HITTING COACH.
Barry Larkin? Maybe. But as I understand it, he really wants to be a general manager someday. This I would like to see. If Krivsky leaves after next season, I would like to see Larkin as GM.
And it still mystifies me that evryone seems to hate Ken Griffey. Stop whining. Injuries happen. At least he got his by trying to make the plays. It wasn't something stupid like riding a dirt bike or playing a pick-up basketball game. And as for the years when he stayed healthy, he still put up the power numbers he was expected to. Get over yourselves. Look on the bright side----it's only one more year.
I agree with the guy who said if you all hate the Reds so much, stop coming to the posts. This isn't Philadelphia. This isn't Queens. This is Cincinnati. This is still the city that lets school out early on opening day. The Reds don't need fairweather fans like you lot who seem to enjoy denouncing them when they lose more than cheering them when they win
Anon 9:01, I don't think people are upset that the team does not spend enough money on players. What upsets them is that they are not spending it wisely (Griffey, etc) and they (ownership) will not spend the money needed to bring in first class management. Anon 8:55, it is not that people don't care about the Reds when we complain, it is because some of us want a winner in Cincinnati and do not want to settle for a team that is a constant loser. Only a loser thinks that what we have in Cincinnati now is worth giving 100% of our support to. I spend alot of money each year to send me and my employees to Reds games. I think it is time people like myself and others who actually do support this team with our dollars and not just talk get to see a product worth watching. I don't think that is too much to ask for!
It is time for Castellini to put his money where his mouth has been since he took over this team. Promises of a winner without results are worthless. If I ran my company with empty promises, I'd be out of business in a few months. Castellini, the future is now, be bold enough to make the moves needed to make the Reds a winner.More empty promises no longer cut it! What they will bring is more empty seats.
I think Anon 8:55 is correct. I think he's basically saying that if the Reds take that much joy out of your life maybe you should find other things to do.
Reds version 2008 will be hardly any better than version 2007.
Joe Torre is the best managerial candidate if King George follows through on his firing.
Too bad Krivsky is safe though.
Why is it that people think by throwing money around at the problems will solve them? Or that every two years or so if we have not won the division or anythin beyond that its time for a change?
Anon 10:50.....why is the future now? In your company, do you spend money just to spend money to appease people? Or do you need a solid plan with the idea of spending the money?
Castellini made a "huge" mistake by promising a winner right off the bat.
I'm not really sure I know who I'd like to see as manager (I do like Oester), but I like the idea of O'neill as Hitting coach. And how about seeing If Orel H. would be interested in the pitching coach job.
The Reds are starting to get some talented everyday players... There is a nucleus to work with: Votto, Keppinger, Phillups, Hopper, Hamilton, etc. Harang, Arroyo and then trade for an arm or two. There are also some good young pitchers that shine. However, the problem is that the Reds cant afford to keep good players - many will part ways. There is an old saying, "If you pay peanuts - you get monkeys." Also, Marge screwed this team when she let Davey go. Here's an idea: Rob Dibble for manager.
Simplest, truest words ever written on this blog:
Castellini made a "huge" mistake by promising a winner right off the bat.
It's astounding how many Reds fans continue to harp on this one statement and use it to continually and continuously bitch about the direction of the team.
Nevermind the logistics of building a winner overnight. Nevermind existing contracts. Nevermind the free agent market and the player agents, potential trading partners, the lack of minor league depth or payroll flexibility.
Nevermind good common sense.
You promised! You promised now! Waaaaaa-waaaaa.
Show us a new owner who didn't promise a Super Bowl or World Series. It's a cliche. They all say it because it's what the fan base wants to hear. Did you ever hear a new owner confess, "Well, we're just honored to own the team and hope we do well."
No, you haven't. But somehow, in Cincinnati, it's one innocuous sentence that has somehow become a huge, irrational point of discontentment.
So Anon 8:34 is right.
Then the team was tied for first place going into July of last year. I think that gave them a false sense of how close they were to turning it around.
I think Castellini will eventually get it turned around. But the player development hires may affect that more than who's manager in '08.
Hershiser has turned down managerial jobs, why would he want to be a pitching coach again? He's destined to be a GM.
In some rather famous words, Ron Oester didn't torch bridges, he napalmed them. Twice. There's a reason he's not working for a team on any level.
But sure, make him manager and see how long before the mutiny breaks out.
Has Paul O'Neill ever coached? No. He's a TV analyst for the Yankees.
Exactly, John. And easily forgotten is when the Reds were in contention in 2006 and the bullpen sucked the gas from a donkey's ass, Castellini gave the green light to add payroll to find relievers.
Thus, the Cormier deal (who vetoed the deal without having a year added to his contract), and all the moves for Franklin, Schoeneweis, Kim, Yan, etc.
In the frantic, futile attempt to find anyone who could possibly get a freaking out, the Reds had to pay some huge chunks of salary.
Yeah, yeah, you're going to say, "And how did that work out?" Well, what do you expect when every contending team in baseball is also looking for pitching down the stretch and opposing GMs are asking for your top-flight prospects?
You have no bargainin gpower. There's competition from other teams with better depth and tradable pieces. It becomes a crapshoot.
By chasing guys like these you hope for lightning in a bottle. It didn't happen. But you can't say the Reds didn't make the effort and you can't say they didn't expand payroll to go for the division in '06.
my question is why is Mr Redlegs such an ass?
I still believe he is some fat old bald guy sitting in a basement. Don't buy any of the crap that he is anything more. If he truly were an important writer or whatever it is he's trying to make himself out to be, I don't think he'd be wasting his time on these blogs.
Sometimes when I read this blog I feel like I just found the source of the "Leave Paris Hilton Alone" video. It seems that there are some folks that think if you don't like the direction the Reds are going that you are a moron and that you should just stop calling yourself a Reds fan. I think they are all a bunch of fat old bald guys living in their mothers basement, who have nothing beter to do then put down anyone else who does not feel the way that they do. They might even actually go to one or two games a year and that somehow makes them the expert. Wake up! This is a losing team and because we are real fans we want to see them make the changes needed to become a winner. We are the people who actually go to most of the games and support this team with our dollars, not just with our mouths on some blog. Look at the half empty stadium each game and you can see that we are not alone in our feelings. If things don't change it will get much worse and the team you claim to love could end up in some other city. Please don't think it can never happen, the people in Clevelnad thought the same thing about the Browns a few years ago. They were lucky they got another chance. Cincinnati may not be so lucky. Lets ALL stick together and demand a winner in Cincinnati. The great fans of Cincinnati (the real fans) deserve it! Don't you agree Mr Redlegs?
I had to laugh when I saw the comment about Oester napalming his bridges. But remember the circumstances the last two times he left the Reds.
1 Jimmy Boy had just fired Tony Perez in the most gutless, cowardly way possible. Oester showed loyalty to his friend by resigning in protest. I think doing something like that shows players that their manager will stick up for them when the chips are down.
2 Once again, it's Jimmy Boy. This time he offers Oester the manager's job and then (and likely under Uncle Carl's orders) changes his mind and gives it to Bob Boone because Oester wanted $100000 more than Jimmy Boy wanted to pay.
This is a totally new regime. Oester would probably be able to work better with these people. But who he picks for his coaching staff will be important. He'll need a Perez or an O'Neill to balance out his personality. Keep in mind, evryone who played with Oester liked him because he was a motivator. Both Tom Browning and Eric Davis said so in their books
I believe Oester was fired by the O'Brien regime for insubordination. He was also let go by the Phillies and Tigers in coaching capacities.
Hey, for all the fat old bald guys sitting in their basement, I take stoic offense.
Some of us have all our hair.
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