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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Friday, January 4, 2008

Matching names to numbers

.300 average, 28 doubles, 7 triples, 22 HRs, 80 RBI, 63 BBs, 81 SOs, 16 SBs
.281 average, 29 doubles, 1 triple, 16 HRs, 79 RBI, 100 BBs, 101 Ks, 24 SBs
.294 average, 28 doubles, 2 triples, 11 HRs, 65 RBI, 46 BBS, 76 SOs, 15 SBs
.319 average, 46 doubles, 8 triples, 26 HRs, 89 RBI, 47 BBs, 135 SOs, 8 SBs.

Those are the numbers that four players in the Reds organization put up as 20-year-olds. Any guess as to names that match the numbers? The 46 doubles are a dead give-away to those who follow the minors closely.

It's interesting to look at how you did at 20 projects for the future.

The players are Ken Griffey Jr. in 1990 with Seattle; Adam Dunn in 2000 with low A Dayton; Edwin Encarnacion in 2003 with Chattanooga and high A Potomac; and Jay Bruce in 2007 with Sarasota, Chattanooga, then Louisville. The original post was a quiz, thus the comments below.


at 1:15 PM Blogger Brad said...

Are Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns 2 of the 3?

at 1:28 PM Blogger John Fay said...

No, all four are currently with the Reds.

at 1:33 PM Blogger Gweedoh said...

Are these all minor-league numbers? If so, any particular level?

at 1:37 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

griffey, phillips, dunn and bruce?

at 1:41 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bruce, Votto, EE,Dorn???

at 1:45 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bruce, Votto, EE, Griffey/

at 1:46 PM Blogger John Fay said...

All different levels. Phillips is not one of them.

at 1:47 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well you can count Griffey out. He was already out of the minors by the time he turned 20.

at 1:48 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

#1 is G.K. Griffey, Jr., who put the numbers up in the major leagues. Obviously a pretty big point.

#2 is Adam Dunn, who was repeating low A (but also just starting his full-time baseball career).

#3 is Brandon Phillips, who split the year between low A and AA.

#4 is Jay Bruce, sprinting through the system last year.

There's also #5, whose numbers are as good as anyone but Jr's:

.302, 33 2b, 2 3b, 19 HR, 92 RBI, 90 BB, 131 K, 10 SB.

And finally, #6:

.260, 15 2b, 4 3b, 4 HR, 42 RBI, 37 BB, 64 K, 14 SB (11 CS).

at 1:49 PM Blogger Brendan said...

Phillips, Dunn, Encarnacion and Bruce

at 1:49 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Votto is not one of them.

at 1:51 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bruce, EE, Griffey, Dunn?

at 1:52 PM Blogger Brendan said...

Griff, Dunn, EE and Bruce.

at 1:53 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

I stand corrected. Phillips played at 2 levels in his age 20 season, batting right around .294 and having 11 HR, so I didn't tally up the rest (and totally ignored the SB column).

I'm at a loss as to #3.

at 1:54 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

griffey, dunn, EE, and bruce

at 1:55 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Didnt say they were minor league numbers.

at 1:58 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

Okay, # 3 is not:

...not even Coutlangus' numbers at South Carolina.

at 2:00 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Brendan got it. Griffey, Dunn, EE, Bruce. Griffey was at Seattle, Dunn Dayton, EE Chattanooga and Sarasota. Bruce was at sarasota, chatt and Louisville.

at 2:02 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

I know you didn't say they were minor league numbers, John. Didn't mean to imply that it was a trick question.

I raised the point to show that the difference in levels affects the conclusions we can draw from the numbers. (Or, some great age-20 seasons are better than others).

at 2:03 PM Blogger Chris at Redleg Nation said...

I sure can't read baseballcube very well today. :)

at 2:07 PM Blogger Brendan said...

It's tough to remember Griffey with the wheels for 7 triples, but I guess that's why he was the most exciting player of the 1990's.

at 2:08 PM Blogger John Fay said...

I had a feeling it would turn into an open book test. I think the home run/strikeout numbers are interesting. EE, by the way, did not play in bigs until he was 22. Dunn made it up and stayed up the next season.

at 2:11 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess Bruce will be the nest strikeout king!

at 2:18 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Strikeouts are a concern with Bruce, he was the youngest player in all three leagues he played in, I believe. Had he played in Dayton he would not have struck out 137 times.

at 4:07 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting to see that Donkey stole 24 bases

at 8:19 PM Blogger reaganspad said...

Never seen Bruce play, but the extra base hits tell how special this guy is. 46doubles and 8 triples...the guy sounds like he puts the ball in the gap. Votto showed the same thing, great average and balls in the gap, some that would go out.
Those 2 are going to have a lot of fun for a long time in Cincy.

We need consistant RBI guys... and these two who hit 320 with gap power are just what the doctor ordered. That big hit that Kepp gave us last year or the mayor used to deliver.

The fielding and pitching will take care of itself. I want to see a Red (any Red) feared again with a runner on second like Casey was in 99. You just knew that Sean was going to knock him in.
I think that guy is Votto (and hopefully EE if he continues the second half of last year). If they both do what I think, this team will be scary and Dusty will be a genious

at 1:46 AM Anonymous rediphil said...

I'll take Bruce's production despite those strikeout numbers. My guess is the K's will come down with more experience. Haven't seen him play, but I doubt he's trying to hit it out all the time. Of course, he'll have to make the adjustment to major-league pitching, but I'll be surprised if he doesn't well enough to at least be a solid starting OF. Give us Liever or L.Hernandez and I'm ready to roll. Let's Be Great in '08.

at 3:15 PM Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was going to guess Brandon Larson,Chad Motolla,Pat Watkins and
Ben Broussard.

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