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John Fay has been the Reds beat writer for the Enquirer since 2001. Prior to that, he served in a variety of roles for the Enquirer: backup Reds writer, UC beat writer, backup Bengals writer and as a general assignment reporter. He is a Cincinnati native and a graduate of Elder High School and the University of Dayton.

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Sunday, May 11, 2008

Lineup vs. Mets, notes

Ryan Freel cf
Joey Votto 1b
Ken Griffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Adam Dunn lf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Paul Bako c
Johnny Cueto p

v. LH Oliver Perez

SHOWCASE: "I'm being showcased," Griffey joked. "Day game after a doubleheader." The real reason: Griffey's on 5-game hitting streak. He's hitting .436 over that period with 3 RBI.

MOTHER'S DAY: The Reds are using pink bats to promote breast cancer awareness on Mother's Day. Griffey will wear black shoes trimmed in pink with pink laces. Griffey has six home runs on Mother's Day, most of any active player. He hit one last year off Mark Hendrickson in L.A.

ON THE ROTATION: The Reds are listing TBA for Wednesday and Thursday. Bronson Arroyo will likely start on short rest Wednesday. I asked Dusty Baker if Matt Belisle would definitely make his next start: "We haven't discussed it yet. I don't want him walking around here like he's on death row."


at 12:19 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

115 pitches yesterday and Arroyo is gonna go on short rest? Guess nobody realized that the extra day of rest could have contributed to that performance last night (not to mention he had a short outing previously). Not a good move.

at 12:20 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Why did we trade Jorge Cantu??? He could have pitched on Wednesday!

at 12:29 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Great #2 hitter, bats seventh in this powerful lineup.

The crawl to 600 continues!

at 12:37 PM OpenID spmancuso said...

Why isn't Keppinger batting lead off??

at 12:38 PM Blogger John Fay said...

CSA: Quick question is there anything you like about this team?

They're coming off a nice win last night and by my count you've posted about 17 things ripping 17 different people.

at 12:40 PM Blogger Jonas said...

I agree with post #1, Arroyo needs an extra day of rest after 115 pitches. Shorting him by a day is just dumb.

at 12:41 PM Blogger Jonas said...

Just ban him John.

at 12:43 PM Blogger Steve said...

Can we please stop with the pitch count nonsense. It's so trite. MLB Schedule has TBA on Wednesday's NIGHT game with the hot-hitting Fish then Arroyo on Thursday's NIGHT game. Even if Bronson goes on Wednesday, that nearly four days. What do you want for cryin-out-loud. Half of Arroyo's pitches are in the 70 mph category. He's not a flame thrower. Get over it people!

at 12:45 PM Blogger Steve said...

I have a question John: What happens when Gonzo gets back and honestly, how many opportunites are "we" going to give Belisle? Thanks.

at 12:48 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Freel's .377 in his starts this yerar. His overall on-base is .353, a tad lower Keppinger's (.360) and Freel runs much better.

at 12:49 PM Blogger Joe said...

I like this line up and Votto hitting second. Jr. always seems to do well on mother's and father's day, so maybe he will hit one or two today. It sure would be great to win two series in a row!

Arroyo on short rest, may be the best thing for him. Back to back solid starts would do wonders for his head and confirm the changes he implemented.

at 12:57 PM Blogger Red Faced said...

Hey Joe, do you know what changes Arroyo implemented before last night's games. I didn't watch all of the game so if it was discussed I just missed it. Thanks man.

John, so what do you think? Could someone be called up for a spot start or even Affeldt make a start to get us through the week? I think it might be better for Arroyo to stay on schedule also but we should really keep from pitching him in a day game. Even Welch was joking about Arroyo's poor day game record. Well I'm not joking, it's awful the last 2 years. I wouldn't EVER pitch this guy in a day game again. The difference in his night games/ day game stats are... well... night and day. Sorry, had to say it.

at 1:02 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

John they won one game..they are 7 games under .500 and 7 outta first place.. CSAs gripe are realistic

they may have come off a nice win last win but they also came off a stinky loss earlier the same day

Steve.. Dont look for Gonzo returning at least not in a Reds uniform my sources tell me


at 1:04 PM Blogger Joe said...

Banning CSA would only mean he would continue to post under another ID. Negative posts get old. It would be shocking if some posters would find something positive to comment on in addition to all the negative comments we get to read from them. There are a few positives on this team:

EE is playing well both at the plate and on the hot corner after a rough start,

Keppinger is having a break out year,

Votto is contending early for ROY,

Volquez is competing early for ROY and if the year ended today, he would certainly get some Cy Young votes,

Bull Pen has been improved,

Cueto is developing at an accelerated rate in the big leagues and should be a very very strong starter if all stays on the current trend,

The Reds have made a commitment to a big name manager and proven GM,

The farm system is loaded with developing potential including its' first home grown 5 tool prospect of the year in Jay Bruce,

Harang is off to the best start in his career despite the lack of run support he is getting,

Reds have a bona fide top shelf closer for the first time in a few years,

at 1:06 PM Blogger Cheviot Sports Authority said...

Hi John, I don't dislike any of them personally. But as members of this team, the only ones that I want to see at the end of the season are: Phillips, Votto, Keppinger, EE, Harang, Cueto, Volquez and Cordero. Freel is OK but only as a part timer and Bako is a good back up catcher. Eight straight losing seasons will bring on a lot of ripping.

at 1:10 PM OpenID spmancuso said...

Ryan Freel is a liability in CF and on the base paths. Keppinger is a leadoff hitter that would allow us to play Jay Bruce in CF, or bat the good-glove Corey Patterson 7th or 8th.

at 1:16 PM Blogger LittleRedMachine said...


Thank you for pointing out the ridiculous negativity of some posters. I love the details that come from your blog but its laughable that a few posters cant find a positive thing to say about the Reds yet call themselves fans. This team has plenty of flaws but there are plenty of positives as well. If you cant see it, its because you dont want to.

at 1:17 PM Blogger Arden Dulou said...

Sure things are frustrating, but balance between the good and bad while posting would be nice.

Arroyo lat night, finally a good outing. Lets hope they are a lot more to come.

I also hope that this team has a better playing group of players before summer arrives.

If the Reds get to .500 by the All Star break, anything can happen. I see that no more than 90 wins win this division.

at 1:25 PM Blogger steve said...

why is mark berry not coaching third today?

at 1:33 PM Blogger John Fay said...

Barry's father is ill. He went home to Phoenix.

at 1:33 PM Blogger Dave said...

Freel's out-of-control style just kept Griffey from making a play in right-center, costing us a run, and later another. Now Cueto is gonna press and put the ball over the plate. I can't wait til we get smart and play Patterson, but bat him 7th or 8th. Who knows, we're still a year off - we need to get some of the guys from the minors up who aren't so 1D (Defense no O, Patterson, Offense, shaky D, Freel, Griffey, Dunn, neither, Ross). We'll get there eventually...:(

at 1:35 PM Blogger Joe said...

RedFaced: Just going on what Brantley said on the broadcast last night - some changes in mechanics about weight on his back leg adding 4-5 mph on fastball which made his change and breaking ball more effective.

at 1:41 PM Blogger Greg said...

okay... guess i'll get this out of the way b/c there are going to be people on here ripping jr for the RBI triple in the 1st inning.... yes the ball was catchable.... but if you watched it .. you see jr making the play then all of the sudden pull up and turn back to freel.... certainly looked like freel called him off. ... bad move ryan.. bad move...

at 1:43 PM Blogger Steve said...

Almost the middle of May and Dunn's hitting a paltry .218! How much longer do we have to wait for this guy? He needs to get that average up so we can trade him for some value. Sheesh!

at 1:51 PM Blogger Steve said...

I agree with Dave---you gotta love Freel's hustle but his wreckless abandon chasing down fly balls spooked Griffey into pulling up. That was Griffey's ball all the way.

at 1:54 PM Blogger oriskany said...

Jon, What's the attitude inside the clubhouse ? Does this club think it can get back the race ? First post I've offered. I couldn't take the negativity anymore. This team will be better than last year's team. I just think they need to get a bit of a break with the schedule. Seemingly, the Reds are facing top shelf clubs, every week. Bring on the Nats, Pirates etc... and the Reds will run off 5 or 6 in a row, and get back in this thing.

at 1:59 PM Blogger BubbaFan said...

Mets announcers are wondering why Votto is in the two-hole instead of Keppinger.

Gotta say, I'm wondering the same thing. Especially against a lefty.

at 2:26 PM Blogger John Fay said...

The mood goes up and down with wins and losses. The players are convinced this team is better than its record.

But we're six weeks in snd other than the first week or so this team has struggled.

at 2:32 PM Blogger Richie Rich said...

Overaggressive Freel bites the Reds in the butt again. Cantu would have caught that ball!

CSA isn't negative, he's just not too good at math. That's ok, maybe grammar was his thing.

at 2:37 PM Blogger Steve said...

I concur that Keppinger should be hitting 2nd. I guess it makes way too much sense. Dusty's lineups are head-scratchers. We desperately need a power hitting right hander in the lineup too.

at 3:21 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

Votto is contending for nothing

Volquez is not a rookie

Bullpen has gone from terrible to inconsistent

Aside from a very good first game, I see no development in Cueto

The Reds overspent money foolishly for a manager that was fired by the Cubs. Our record is what?

Our farm system is not loaded

Harangs record is what?

We did not need to spend 46 million on a top notch closer for another 2 years

Joe is not just this bad year we are having..its the previous 7 losing seasons that makes everyone negative. And if anyone finds anything positve with this miserable start to aseason..please share some of your happy pills

CSA is a realist alike we appreciate Marty, I appreciate his honest commentary

Keppinger keeps going ..dont he?

at 4:09 PM Blogger will said...

Votto is developing very nicely.

The bullpen is no loner the reason this team losses games.

Cueto has had 4 out of 8 quality starts. You are comlpletely short sighted on this. If he had the year volquez had with texas you would have thrown him under the bus by now. It takes time for younge pitching to develope.

I dont care for Baker, so I cant argue that one.

This team is not very good right now, but has more young talent then it has had in years.

at 5:16 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

team is closing in on being 10 games under .500

8th losing season in a row


if we had good talent we would not be a sub .500 team

common sense

at 5:24 PM Blogger sabr_blogger said...

"Votto is contending for nothing"

Hmm. What part of .300/.364/580 do you dislike?

"Aside from a very good first game, I see no development in Cueto"

Cueto's peripherals (K/9, BB/9, BABIP) are actually those of a pitcher with a much lower ERA (3.52, in fact). There's a bit of an illusion working here. He's pitching unlucky. Might want to be patient.

"The Reds overspent money foolishly for a manager that was fired by the Cubs."

Won't argue with you there. Baker was the last guy they should have hired with this gold mine of young players here.

"We did not need to spend 46 million on a top notch closer for another 2 years"

Bingo - glad someone else here gets that. Closers are overpriced in general, but especially when you don't have all your other pieces in place already. But Cincy's an old school team, so I wouldn't expect them to appreciate that bit of nuance.

at 5:56 PM Blogger pootyhead said...

Not sure "gushing" over a Texas Ranger or Florida Marlin qualifies you for asssessing the state of the team from top to bottom. It just makes you great at hind sight.

Being nothing more than someone bashing everything and anything does not make that person a realist. It makes you nothing more than a loud bore.

at 7:00 PM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

aside from Keppinger, Votto to a certain degree, and Volquez..what is there not to bash?


Jeff Brantley and Marty feel that Cueto has regressed and is not using his pitches correctly..they feel he is just trying to overpower hitters

they know pitching

I told all you gushers all winter long that we would be lucky if this team would improve to about .500

thats not hindsight

at 8:12 PM Blogger Jeff said...

What's really strange is you claim to be a big Reds fan, but you really seem to relish in Cueto's failure today. You and a few others here seem to enjoy bashing the same players over and over again more than you do talking baseball. It’s a shame.

at 8:24 PM Blogger will said...

There is talent. Not all of it is on the major league team. You see theres something called a farm system. Its a collection of minor league teams used to develope talent. The reds farm system is the strongest its been in years. The young talent I refere to includes Votto, Volquez, Cueto, Bruce, Bailey, Stubbs, Valikia, Frazier, Herrera, Thompson, Tony Gutierrez, Juan Francisco to name a few. All these guys are playing very well and have good upside. To say this team doesnt have a decent farm system is without merit. In fact the Reds minor league teams as whole have some of the better records in all of baseball. Just because there not on the big league team doesnt mean theyre not talented, just not ready. But I wouldnt expect you to have the foresight to understand that. You only seem to grasp hindsight.

at 8:16 AM Blogger JackBlueAsh said...

reds minor league teams have done well for many years..

minor league talent does not always translate into major league success

I like Cueto..but a major league great right now..he is not. I dont gush over pitchers with losing records and an ERA approaching 6

We now have eight straight years of losing..and from what I see on this blog and hear in this city..the majority of fans are tired of excuses

If you want to embrace mediocrity and losing..I respect that

at 11:39 PM Blogger pootyhead said...

You obviously have not been paying any attention if you think the minor leagues have done well for years.

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